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Ford Escape Hybrid

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  • kokerkoker Posts: 23
    Thanks for the pricing info. I ordered one today price to be agreed on later (after the pricing is released.) Little did I know that Ford was releasing the price while I was at the dealer. They let me pick what I wanted and said I would have dibbs on the first one that came in (if it isn't the one I ordered.) A bit higher than I thought but doesn't kill the deal for me.
  • gtyler2000gtyler2000 Posts: 17
    The dealer that I ordered my Escape from had sent some of their salespeople and some of their mechanics to training at Ford. They told me it was required before they could be allowed to sell or service the vehicles. She even made a point of saying that there are special gloves required, which I assume is for the battery.

    Take a look at the first post in this group. The Escape Hybrid was certainly not rushed to market. Only time will tell if they've done it right, but so far it seems like they've put quite a lot of work into this project. I'm willing to try it out.

    In 2006, there will be some new diesel fuel and those diesel engines may very well take off. The technology sound very appealing to me! That's for sure. For me, for right now, the Escape Hybrid fits the bill.

    I have no doubt that they could make engines run on 100% bio fuel. However, it's quite an expensive undertaking to get something like that to the general public. The companies need incentive. Demand for hybrid vehicles is a start. Government tax breaks may also help. Ethanol 87 release in the midwest was followed by a substantial marketing campaign. These things take time people.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    feasible
    1 able to be made, done or achieved:
    2 possible or reasonable:

    I meant what I said. It is not possible or reasonable to expect ethanol to replace gasoline. It is possible to expect biodiesel to replace petroleum diesel.
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    But you still haven't explained *WHY* it could be more likely (no detail, like yields or refining). You just repeated the same statement.

    FFV is totally feasible, since over 3 million of them are already on the road in the US. And since Ford a leader in this, don't be surprised when you see it available in their hybrids.

    Ethanol is totally feasible, since those crops are just as easy to grow as the others.

    JOHN
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    I do not have to explain, I've already researched the results of research. Ethanol is not sustainable as it can not meet demands. It is not my responsibility to spoon feed the "why" to you.

    This can be debated in another topic. Back to the Escape Hybrid.
  • thekingtheking Posts: 107
    I would not touch the Hybrid at any price...Look at all the recalls Focus had......Do you think dealers are going to make sure they have a staff that truly understands the hybrid principle ? All they know is "market price adjustment; that second sticker on your new Hybrid !
  • kokerkoker Posts: 23
    Now that the pricing has been released, could anyone comment on what prices they have been quoted at dealers? The dealer I am using is expecting MSRP. An earlier message implied $1K above msrp. Has anyone been quoted lower?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats Jim, you finally got one eh? :-)

    I would expect MSRP as long as they have wait lists.

    -juice
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,341
    thanks Juice. See ya around the beltway.
  • caperscapers Posts: 8
    Ford has been talking about this hybrid escape for years. Only to keep pushing the date back. And then so few will be released that only the rich or suck ups will get one. I hate the fact that they promoted a hybrid without having one in production.

    I still remember my 1984 ford, was the first year with fuel injection. It never worked right, mechanics told me o sell the car because the first year of any new gadget is bad news! I will not buy anything in the beta phase again! Hope you all will do the same.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Texaspam,

    That was a common issue that was later rectified (same as Focus), the brake pads they should be installing, should NOT be the same as previous, and if anything, an upgrade. Try http://flatratetech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum;f=13

    That site (Flat Rate Tech) can help you and better explain the procedure, what to say, etc. when you go in next for repair.

    Capers,

      Sanyo who makes the battery packs, is only allowed to build a certain number of battery pack units because of limited capacity. It's not Ford's fault thay can only churn out 20K of them a year.
  • djasonwdjasonw Posts: 624
    I just saw a blurb on the news the other night regarding the '05 Ford Escape. It did NOT get five stars. They said that serious injury can result in a frontal collision. Does this apply to the Hybrid Escape as well?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    That would be this story you probably heard about...

    Titled: Ford Escape improves crash test rating

    Redesigned 2005 SUV earns 2nd highest rank

    http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0406/15/a05-182743.htm

    Source: Detroit News
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    Battery technology and Ford training programs leave allot to be desired.
    Paul
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    Yes electric traction motors have awesome torque, but with the diminutive battery pack that will provide minutes of added help. Then the motor load goes way up to re-charge the battery. This is more of the automotive version of "Snake-oil". Give me the common-rail diesel if they engineer it for more than 100,000 miles? Unlike Fords CDE4 ATX was only engineered for 100,000 miles. (even less than it's Mazda mules)
    The more inside info I learn about the automotive industry the more I see the rip-off. By the way, my inside info sources have proven out over the last 30 years.
    The big Three has recently been raised parts prices ,on normal replacement parts 30-300%?, hoping to get buyers to replace there vehicles after 5 years.
    That would be nice, however early forced retirement has many of us Americans in a real bind. "Blood out of a Turnip"
    Thank-heavens for car buffs web sites, I'm keeping my 98 Mystique LS in excellent running condition for at least 10 more years!
    Paul Echelberger
    N8BUU
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    I'm working on weasling a very important fact from a source, electric motor at full load how many minutes will the battery packet provide. If he says ok I will share. Even with a 42 vdc system it won't be many.
    The web site even says "assist lanch" only, restart and regeneritive from braking. All this thru the, I'm sure (larger), serpentine belt. Go the viseton's web site and check powertrains.
    For my money way to early for this to be of value out in the coutry-side. City would be ideal? Then their's winter temps. The military still has nothing affordable for what mother nature takes away from a battery. If it's not affordable it's of no value to the masses.
    Paul
    Sorry for the Rant, but just trying to uphold the Ole Marine teaching, who luckly survived Iwo Jima and the depression. Whole different set of values than what's out there now!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Acceptable, whoop-de-doo.

    Subaru earned a "Good" rating way, way back in 1998, without even side air bags!

    This is 7 years of progress? C'mon Ford. They have about 10 billion times the resources, it really ought to be a "Best Pick", no excuses.

    -juice
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    I think you're confused.

    2001-2005 Escapes without SAB/SAC rated poor in the IIHS' new side impact test along with many other makes and models. Like the Forester, the 2001-2004 Escapes rated good in the test when equipped with SABs (The Forester was not tested without them because they are standard as you already know). The 2005 model, which the hybrid is nearly identical to, has not been side tested by them yet. However, it does have the "Safety Canopy" system available and should do just as well as the older models.

    The acceptable rating you referred to is from their frontal offset test in which the Escape did improve to from marginal on the older models.

    Oddly enough, the '05 model went from 5 stars to 4 stars in the NHTSA frontal test. The rest stayed the same where the two in front are now 4 and 5's for the rest.

    Anyone know if they'll be testing the hybrid separately? I'm guessing yes.
  • bvabva Posts: 4
    For those of you who keep preaching about biodiesel, it does have significant drawbacks. The amount of NOx emissions and engine produces actually goes up with biodiesel. Yes it's a good alternative of a limited scale, but for cities with major ozone issues it's not a reasonable mass market alternative.

    And for some of you others. Are you this bitter all the time? I know it's a message board and they were basically created to allow people to bitc#, but come on. At least Ford is out there with Honda and Toyota on the Hybrid technology. Sure Honda beat everyone but at least Ford isn't last to the party. Will it have problems early on? Probably. Will there be some mark-up initially? Probably. Not many vehicles come out perfect out of the gate. Seen the reports on the Nissan Titan? Bottom line, it's an important step forward in technology that should be supported, not villified.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "Anyone know if they'll be testing the hybrid separately? I'm guessing yes."

    The Hybrid version (structurally) is the same, therefore it will not be tested.
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