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Ford Escape Hybrid

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  • stevewastevewa Posts: 203
    I have yet to hear of an Escape Hybrid without the Audiophile system. I can tell you it's a very nice stereo and a decent navigation system. The nav system would be better with a larger screen and with touch screen instead of joystick. Since most factory nav systems run in the $2k range $1850 for the upgraded stereo with nav seems, while not truly reasonable, unsurprising.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,679
    I just followed an Escape Hybrid up Interstate 8 out of San Diego. On the long grade heading East I could not get around him for several miles. This stretch is posted 70 mph and everyone is going 75-80 mph during rush hour. This guy in the Hybrid was not going 50 miles per hour up that long uphill stretch. He had dozens of cars behind him and we could not get into the left lane as that traffic was moving 75+ mph and we were all going 50 behind this Escape. I don't know if he was watching his gizmo readouts and trying to get the best mileage or what. He had a lot of unhappy people backed up in the right lane. If that is all that car has on a steep grade, it needs to be recalled and scrapped.
  • rfruthrfruth Posts: 630
    I've never experienced a numskull in a plain ole ICE before and the hybrids come with a magic wand to prevent this so what happened ?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,679
    either he had his face in all the gadgetry and not paying attention to his driving or the car had a problem. It is steep but not that steep.
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    http://www.greencar.com/index.cfm?content=news&ArticleID=23

     

    Ford may increase Escape-Hybrid production from 20,000 to 30,000. But it depends on Sanyo to ramp up battery production.
  • dw438dw438 Posts: 41
    Must be the driver. I've done 80 on the NJ Turnpike in my Escape Hybrid. About the same on hilly I-81 in Pennsylvania. Also there's a nice hill on I-280 just outside Newark that was a zip with my car.

    Must be the driver. Did he ever hear of the slow lane?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,679
    "Must be the driver. Did he ever hear of the slow lane? "

     

    He was in the slow lane. It is only two lanes wide for several miles, then goes out to 3 lanes. With a steady stream of homeward bound traffic going 75+ mph changing lanes was nearly impossible. The line of cars behind this guy could not get out into the left lane. This is a about 8-10 miles of uphill driving. I just wondered if any Hybrid Escape owners had difficulty on long uphill grades.
  • "They are trying to rip off the buyers with their dealer markups and that is just down right wrong."

     

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    Supply & demand. There's a high demand, and low supply, therefore dealers can ask high prices. It's not wrong... it's capitalism in action... and helping send your dealer's kid to college.

     

    If it bothers you, just wait 6 months for prices to drop back down to MSRP.
  • "This guy in the Hybrid was not going 50 miles per hour up that long uphill stretch. He had a lot of unhappy people backed up in the right lane. If that is all that car has on a steep grade, it needs to be recalled and scrapped."

     

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    50 mph is the most efficient speed for a car, so obviously he was trying to get the maximum mpg possible. I do the same in my Insight. It's not the engine, but the driver.

     

    Although I agree with you, it was discourteous to back up all the traffic. He could have gone 60 and still got decent mpg and not make everyone angry with him.

     

    Troy
  • I had contacted Ford about all the pricing and of course they said they could do nothing. So I had contacted Ford of Dublin on 11/22/04 and they had the one we wanted and wanted to sell it at $2000.00 over MSRP. I called them on 12/22/04 and they said the same and still had the same hybrid there. I told the sales guy he has to do better and he called back with $1000.00 over MSRP. I told him I will check with my wife. Of course my wife said no and only at MSRP would we buy. I called him back and told him I will only pay MSRP and it was going to be cash. HE called an hour later and said I cought the boss in a good mood and they would do the deal at MSRP. Listen to this NEW BUYERS. After doing the deal the guy who does all the final paperwork told us that they thought they would be selling better. Apperantly they are not selling as well as ford thought they would. So prices will come down soon. As a matter of fact some will get them under MSRP. They had two left. So demand is not that great like the prius was. I told the guy it was because of all the attention dealers were getting on their outragous mark ups and people bought eleswhere and different makes. We were almost ready to go with a different make but the deal came through. Our local dealership lost out because they too had one we wanted on their lot but again 2000.00 over mSRP. It was their loss and Dublin's gain.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,679
    Of course my wife said no and only at MSRP would we buy.

     

    Good for you and your wife. If more people would hold these guys down it would make it easier on all the rest. I think you are right about the Hybrid sales. When I talked to my friend at a big Ford agency here in San Diego. Before they went on the market she had 100 people with a deposit. I don't think they have sold that many of them. I called the other day and she said if I wanted one she could get it in less than a week. There are too many cars with big incentives. The saving in fuel is not enough for many people to pay even MSRP.

     

    Merry Christmas, and a fun New Year in your new car....
  • stevewastevewa Posts: 203
    This is actually a good time to buy, because from what I've heard _nothing_ is selling, especially at a mainstream price point like Ford (I guess Lexus and Mercedes are doing well this season).

     

    I leave it to the readers to discern what these market data mean in terms of the overall economy...
  • Thanks, We will be giving it the test this weekend for new years. Were headed to the 6000 ft elevation near Dodge Ridge ski area. There is a steep grade there that will make up my opinion on the hybrids power. We will have it loaded along with a 130lb dog. This will be interesting. One thing I found about the NAV system is that it does not tell elevation. I can't believe they didn't include that. I know some people and they say the info is there it just doesn't show it. The info from sats include a lot of stuff and it wouldn't have been hard to include it. I was going to buy a GPS so I could get that info along with more and now it looks like I still will but it will be the garmin 3600 PDA?GPS nav for my truck. Happy Holidays to you too. The wife got the big bow with the car and she is very happy!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,444
    darn it... got the oil in my focus changed today. didn't notice the escape hybrid in 'demo row' until i was heading back to work.
  • brihambriham Posts: 33
    FYI, I thought you might all find this of interest.

     

    Here is a link:

     

    http://www.automedia.com/autoReviews/2005/ford/escape/rts20041101- eh.asp?affid=
  • The only hitch available is the Da'Lan (Curt) Class 2.5 Hitch sold by Hitch-Web.Com. for the 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid. The cost is about $223 with free shipping.

     

    I know for a fact that Ford does not yet have a modified trailer hitch for the FEH but are working on one.

     

    I have researched the last several months and as of today this is only one on the market.

     

    I know it is a good one because Hitch-Web installed mine about two weeks ago. There is no modification required for the rear facia as there will be for the Ford product.
  • I'll reply to my own post even though I posted this on another thread earlier.

     

    The only hitch available is the Da'Lan (Curt) Class 2.5 Hitch sold by Hitch-Web.Com. for the 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid. The cost is about $223 with free shipping.

     

    I know for a fact that Ford does not yet have a modified trailer hitch for the FEH but are working on one.

     

    I have researched the last several months and as of today this is only one on the market.

     

    I know it is a good one because Hitch-Web installed mine about two weeks ago. There is no modification required for the rear facia as there will be for the Ford product.

     

    Thank you all for the good advice.

     

    Mike
  • stevewastevewa Posts: 203
    Interesting. Looks like they took the stock hitch and notched the driver's side bracket to allow clearance for the AC lines to the battery pack. Looks straightforward!

     

    Have you looked underneath to see how clean the mount-up goes?
  • Yes. I stood there and watched closely and took my own measurements as the shop did the mods and I continued to take photos. I put together a PDF Journal with photos and if you want a copy just email me at sdctcher@yahoo.com.

     

    I understand that they since have sold a number of these. It was a very clean mod and install and I am amazed Ford or somebody else did not just cut out this piece before.

     

    Mike
  • I admit I have posted this on other forums but I am trying to figure out what is happening under certain conditions. If anyone else has experienced getting into a spot where they cannot get out with 4WD because the engine starts shutting down I would like to hear your story. I plan on compiling and sending to Ford.

     

    What follows is a post on another forum and my reply:

     

    Post: Loss of 4WD Power

     

    A wierd thing happended this weekend while testing the 4WD capabilities on a beach. This weekend we recieved our first snowfall here and I wanted to try to go out on the beach with my 4wd escape.

     

    I think I understand from some of the road tests why this happens (the computer overrides accelerator requests) but the vechicle when it get stuck seems to not be able to use the full engine power to extricate itself.

     

    For instance I drove a small way off the parking lot to start on trail heading out on the beach. The first part had a small pothole (less than 1'). The vechicle would NOT go climb the pothole even in LOW gear.

     

    when going into reverse even less power.

     

    The RPM's never get beyond 1500rpm. I spent about 20 harrowing mins rocking back forth to get back to the parking lot (I only ventured about 30' off the pavement)

     

    Now it should be noted I did some beach trails several weeks earlier and did not have similiar problems but did not try to drive at slow speeds on the trails.

     

    It shoiuld be noted that the vechicle was NOT hightpointed NOR were the wheels losing traction (as I was directly observing them as I was trying to rock out of the depression/hole)

     

    My Reply:



    You are not alone in trying to figure this out. I too have gotten into a position where rpms top out and there I am stuck and rockin and not rollin. I seem to top out at about 2500 and it is after I have been towing a load for awile and am on an uphill. At other times one of my front wheels drops into a hole to the hubs and though I get spin at the back it has pulled out with no problem. I have friends who have had your problem in snow trying to get back on a hard surface.

     

    My first thought is that the 4WD is being automatically locked or disabled because of heat but no one, including myself, has noticed any indicator light in the message center like it is supposed to. I have then turned off the car for a few minutes, turned it back on and run a system check which shows '4 X 4 OK' and I seem to be then able to move forward again. You might try it yourself and watch for indicators.

     

    In darker moments I start to think this loss of power under certainly less than 'extreme off-road conditions' (Ford's language for the override) is the result of a firmware bug in the 4WD sensor of the Powertrain Control Module because it seems to be shutting down my engine for no good reason but not giving me a blinking indicator light like it should. I have gone through the workshop manual but have yet to find a description of this kind of failure.

     

    In trying to find a pattern in this case versus what I have heard from others when they lose power I have noticed that nobody has said that they lose power when all tires are on level ground. It happens when one wheel is in a depression or on hard ground that causes no slippage.

     

    I heard from some that on level wet or level snowy the response is great. I wonder whether the PCM is shutting down the rpms when the wheel torque reaches a specific high number (caused because the wheels are not slipping). You engineer types out there perhaps can think about whether this theory is on the right track.

     

    Mike
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