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Ford Escape Hybrid

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  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,913
    If you are a long-term hybrid owner, our Senior Editor, John O'Dell, would love to hear from you! A short email with your maintenance experiences and concerns would be great. Please send to John at jodell@edmunds.com by close of business Wednesday, August 22, 2007. Be sure and include your Forums username.

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  • I just took delivery of our new Escape 4X4 Friday and I have question. Our Escape doesn't have a 4X4 emblem on the back. Is the standard for the hybrids? I really don't see a way to even know it is a 4X4 other than the sticker that came on the car says it is.
  • mecheng1mecheng1 Posts: 161
    Look between the rear wheels. Is there a large round metal object in the centerline of the truck with a shaft coming out of each side going to the wheels? That is the rear differential that supplies power to the 3rd and 4th wheel when the front two wheels start to slip. :D
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    the 5th through 7th digit on the VIN on all AWD Hybrids, 2008 and newer is U59.

    Mark.
  • Good luck. I ordered my Escape Hybrid May 30th and I am still waiting after three months. The dealer and the Ford Motor Company are of no help on finding out when it will be built. I would have thought a week after I ordered it they could give me a build date. Not the case. I am still waiting and would like to get some answers. From everything I have read, I think I will be happy with the vehicle, but I am not happy with Ford or the dealer.
  • I have an '06 4wd Escape Hybrid. Last week I received a letter from Ford Motor Company asking that I contact my local dealer and make an appointment for Program # 07B48 service. This applies to '05-'07 Escape and '06-'07 Mariner Hybrids. Apparently, there has been a problem with a resister in the power unit that causes a DTC red triagle and chime in the message center. The messages directs the driver to "Stop Safely Now" and eventually the vehicle shuts itself down and will not restart.

    I have an appointment for tomorrow and the dealer tells my mine will be the first for this service. It's supposed to be a half day service but the service writer told me it will be most of the day since they have never done it before. I hope they read the instructions thoroughly. I'm not thrilled being the dealer's guinnie pig. I'm hoping this isn't a case of "If it's not broke, don't fix it" situation where I don't have a problem but will after the service.

    Has anyone had experience with this particular service and, if so, what was the result? I'll post my experience with the service and the resulting performance.

    Thanks.

    Dan
  • You may send your complaints to Ford Chiefs:
    Mark Fields(mfield27ford.com) or Alan Mulally (amulallyford.com). Usually, Ford works hard to satisfy customers if their dealers didn't. A guy in this forum did send an email and got a response next day.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    I hate to say it, but it sounds like your dealer really dropped the ball.

    Also, for the past 4 weeks Ford is not scheduling any further Hybrid orders. They may even be done for the model year.

    As a sales rep, I follow my factory orders very closely, (its my money). I took a Hybrid order on 5/31 and it just came in this week. It took the intervention of my factory rep to get it scheduled.

    Getting a factory rep to intervene is an option open to every dealer.

    Incidently, I drove our stock hybrid to a Green Fest last Saturday and I got 30 mpg combined on mostly highway! Don't ask how my dealeship has a stock hybrid either, it cam in last week. How got it built is a secret.

    New EPA test: Appearently under the average number in big print for mpg there is now a range in small print showing what you can get if you don't drive like an idiot. The high numbers for the 4WD FEH are 34 city, 30 hwy. The averages are 29 city, 27 hwy.

    Mark
  • rnargrnarg Posts: 27
    I am not familiar with the underhood components of a hybrid and haven't been able to locate one to open the hood.

    My question is: Does a Hybrid still depend on a conventional battery charged by an alternator etc for STARTING purposes and other purposes. If not, I assume there would be no way to start the gasoline powered engine should the Hybrid batteries die? In other words, I assume if the Hybrid batteries go dead, there isn't a way to "jump start" the gasoline engine to restart the Hybrid charging process of the hybrid batteries through normal driving and braking? (Or am I missing something here?)
  • The Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) is always started by one of two motor/generators (MG1) with voltage supplied by the HighVoltage (HV)Battery. The 300+ volts of the HVBattery is used to keep a conventional 12V car battery at charge to run lights/radio/accesories (like on a non-hybrid automobile) when the FEH is parked. There is no conventional automobile alternator on the FEH.

    The FEH PCM (computer brain) is very conservative with the HVBattery and never lets it go below 40% charged. In an emergency situation if the HVBattery is somehow drained, there is a procedure to use the 12V battery to "heat-up" the HVBattery and "jump-start" the FEH. (The opposite situation of the premise of your question) Again, 95% of the time the FEH is using the HVBattery to send power othe wheels, runs its electrical accessories, and to re-start the ICE.

    From reports of owners over the last 3 years, the HVBattery seems to be one of the most robust components in the FEH. [It is made to Ford design specifications by Sanyo and comes with a 10-year warranty] :D
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,813
    "I assume if the Hybrid batteries go dead, there isn't a way to "jump start" the gasoline engine to restart the Hybrid charging process of the hybrid batteries through normal driving and braking? (Or am I missing something here?)"

    Since the first reply did not answer the question, here is the answer:

    Your assumption is correct; if the hybrid battery dies, the vehicle will not run. The hybrid system on the FEH (like the Toyota HSD) will not allow the vehicle to run if the hybrid (called "traction") battery fails.

    The Honda IMA system will allow the vehicle to run on ICE only, but the full hybrid system of Toyota, Nissan, and Ford require electrical energy to be provided to the transmission.
  • rnargrnarg Posts: 27
    To Mecheng1 and Stevedibi----Thanks for your replies.

    Doesn't look like there would be much use in carrying jumper cables as part of an Escape Hybrid's Emergency kit.
    Looks like a bicycle would be a more useful item to carry.

    Thanks again

    Rnarg
  • Allow me to elaborate on my earlier post.

    Carrying a bicycle in a Hybrid Escape "incase the Hybrid Battery" dies would be like carrying a bicycle around in a non-hybrid vehicle incase the crankshaft breaks. We are talking about components that are designed to last the life of the vehicle.

    The Hybrid's HVBattery is a complex component designed to last 150,000...200,000...or more miles. It shouldn't be compared to 12V automobile batteries that may not hold enough charge to start the car after 24 months of use. :)
  • The battery is supposed to last 10 years. At least thats what its warrenteed for. Just carry around your Master Card; that gives you lots of options.
    PS Jumper cables for your car battery has nothing to do with the Battery in the back which suppliments your power. :blush:
  • rnargrnarg Posts: 27
    I was only joking about carrying a bicycle in place of jumper cables.

    Carrying a credit card and/or joining AAA seem to be better ideas.

    Thanks

    Rnarg
  • Your original post is a very good one....it is a question I believe many folks have about Hybrids and batteries. With my post(s) I had hoped to address the last line of that original post ["...am I missing something here?"]

    The hybrid batteries are designed to be a reliable and consistent part of these vehicles....one of the many components that do not require a on-board back-up (or 'spare tire')...........it is a good question and one that deserves an answer and some explanation. :D :D
  • Real world milage is...30-32 mpg after driving 10k. So, you're right on.
  • I'm thrilled with the Z-1 I installed when I bought my 06. Now they have the Z-3, so you might want to look at the new model. I've stored more than 80 CDs in the Z-1'a harddrive; works great and so does the database, which covers the whole US. :blush:
  • Dealer's full of crap. The guage moves when the system is being charged by braking or assisted when accelerating.
  • stevedebistevedebi LAPosts: 3,813
    "Doesn't look like there would be much use in carrying jumper cables as part of an Escape Hybrid's Emergency kit. "

    Actually, the vehicle needs the 12 volt battery to start, so jumper cable can be used if the 12 volt goes flat.

    Basically the 12 volt powers up the electronics so that the main hybrid batteries and system can be engaged.

    Personally I don't carry jumper cables in my ICE vehicles any more - I use my AAA card for problems like that!
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Last year, I swapped in a FEH from another dealer. That dealer had the vehicle on their showroom floor. Naturally, due to peeps opening and closing doors, messing with pwr seat, etc. The 12V battery went dead. That dealer jumped the car to get it too me.

    When I got the car, I discovered that something was not quite right so I sent it back to the shop and it was found that the dead battery condition caused the hybrid control modual to "self distruct". Naturally it was fixed under warranty before we deliveried the car but the part had to be back ordered.

    Mark.
  • There are 2 separate jump starting procedures in the 2006/2007 FEH Owner's Manual. The first is on page 244, which deals with a discharged 12 Volt battery, which is needed to power the Battery Energy Control (BECM), Power Control (PCM) and Transmission Control (TCM) Modules. All have to be operating to start the FEH because the transmission's motor/generator IS the starter. The BECM and PCM also have to be powered-up in order to energize the battery disconnect relay and the internal combustion engine (ICE) fuel and ignition systems. This, of course, assumes that the 330V high voltage battery has enough charge to run the motor/generator in order to "crank" the ICE.

    If the HV battery is discharged :sick: (through weeks of inactivity or by running in 5 mph "limp home" mode, like what happens when you run out of gas :blush: ), you will instead need to use the HV Battery Jump starting procedure on page 248. This allows the user to use the internal HV inverter to charge the HV battery. You have to remove a plastic cover on the left driver's side kick panel :confuse: and press a button. The process takes about 8 minutes and you will hear a high-pitched whine similar to what you hear when a camera's flash unit is charging.
    One more thing: This procedure tends to drain the 12V battery after several attempts, so make sure your car's 12V battery is fully charged before attempting to do this. Hope this helps! :D
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  • Why only tan? get some real options for the hybrid. It's the biggest thing making me reconsider.
  • kedlkedl Posts: 1
    I'm strongly considering buying the 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid, but hear that if the A/C or Heater is on that the electric motor will not be used, even when driving less than 25 mph in "D". Is this true? I really hope not.
    The person that told me this said that with the 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid that either you use full electric or full gas, but never a combination of both. Is this true? I really hope not. If someone could point me to some documentation from Ford that says otherwise then that would be great!

    Cheers
  • Unless Ford has completely overhauled their system, you use both battery and engine anytime you accelerate beyond that of a turtle. (I own an '06). You can always override the engine shutting down by putting the A/C switch in the "Red" (7 o'clock position); you can't get either A/C or heat if the engine is not running. The design of the hybrid is so the engine shuts down when decelerating below 30 mph. or stopped; this is how you save gas at a stop; and, the reason your milage is better in the city than on the open road.
    :blush:
  • jdw334jdw334 Posts: 5
    Who ever gave you that information was incorrect. The system is designed to use a combination of engine/motor for optimal fuel efficiancy. If you get an 2008 with navigation you will be able to see that on the screen, or with out you will see the needle move in the assist/charge. You will still have heat even when the gas engine is off (I live in New England trust me you still have heat or it would be miserable). You will not get A/C unless you have the control in the orange areas of the dial. With the Ford system the A/C only works when the engine is running. Toyota's newer system (2004 forward) can run the A/C with the engine off, they installed an electric A/C instead of a belt designed one. Read a online test of the vehicle ie. Edmunds for an acurate depiction of how the system works. Go test drive one and you will also see that the person giving you the information was not correct.
  • rnargrnarg Posts: 27
    As you may be aware, you can still get the benefit of the electric mode with the A/C switch ON as long as you also have the "Econ" switch also on. (2008) The A/C will not be working once the electric motor engages, but since the electric motor doesn't stay on very long anyway (unless stopped in traffic), the A/C will come back on as soon as the gasoline powered engine cuts in. (That is,assuming the temp you have set is calling for it to come on)

    Also, I have noticed that once your gasoline powered engine has heated to its operating temperature and you are traveling on a flat or any degree of downgrade, (one where you need hardly touch the accelerator), if your gasoline engine is still engaged, simply tap or apply the brake slightly, and the vehicle will switch to the electric mode and stay there until the nature of the roadway changes to where more than electric power is needed. (This is the way my 2008 is working, but whether it's normal to let you have this little bit of control, I don't know)
  • Does anyone know who makes the Escape/Mariner Hybrid Nav System in the 2008 vehicles? Not Nav Tec, they only provide the data base.

    Thanks,
    John
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