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Ford Escape Hybrid

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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    There's a difference between a design flaw, and a mechanical defect when it comes to recalls. I never bought into the class action suits against Ford or GM on their gas tank issues, frankly. If you plow the back of a Pinto with an Impala at 60mph, what do you expect? Hell, the fire is the least of your worries. Same think on the GM pickups that NBC staged the exposion on with an incendiary under the saddle tank. The Explorer's rollover thing clearly was Firestone's fault. NHTSA cleared Ford, and you notice once the tires were gone, they stopped rolling? And Ford did step up and recalled ALL the Firestone tires, not just the ones identified from the Decatur plant.

    Look, I like Fords, but I don't ONLY buy Fords. I just think they tend to get more than their share of bashing, and I don't really understand why. I don't see much difference between them and myriad other manufacturers of autos. The Lawyers call all the shots anyway in any large American corporation. It's all about the acceptable risk of doing business.

    Odds are, BTW, I'll never buy a Hybrid though. Just doesn't make sense to me to power a car with two separate propulsion systems. I guess I'm dense.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    seems to have a few hits on its hands. The Freestyle and Five-Hundred both look great.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    The Freestyle looks great to me. The Five Hundred looks like an Avalon to me, but that's ok I guess. Little bland for my taste.
  • I also am interested in the Freestyle.

    I'm wondering though - will there be a Mercury or better yet a Lincoln version of the Escape Hybrid?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Freestar is the one I'm worried about, they didn't do enough to update it. Look how competitive the minivan market has become.

    -juice
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    doesn't belong in the new Ford car line. It's from the old one, with some plastic (and steel) surgery done to it. I'm worried the Freestar won't sell.. (not) The Freestyle looks great! The Five Hundred reminds me of a Volkswagen Passat and the Montego reminds me more of a Lincoln Town Car from the back, especially with those 10 spoke wheels that look like they were lifted right off the Town Car (not a bad thing) My only worry for the Five-Hundred and Montego is price. Will consumers accept that the costs to engineer the Five-Hundred was high enough to warrant above Taurus SEL prices on the dealer lot? Or will they turn away from it, just like the Pacifica?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "Will consumers accept that the costs to engineer the Five-Hundred was high enough to warrant above Taurus SEL prices on the dealer lot? Or will they turn away from it, just like the Pacifica?"

    Maybe Address is in the 500 Forum :) The 500 is not a Taurus replacement, although some might grow into it, than an offering like the Crown Vic. And considering it'll be priced a bit over $25K, I see the price very reachable considering the amount of engineering and techonology involved.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Mazda 6 already has big rebates, the market is tough...

    -juice
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Toyota has 2.9 APR on all 04 Corollas. The market is tough. Only the hot sellers (Sienna, Prius) don't have rebates in today's world. Even Honda has great low lease specials on Odyssey LX models. And VW has always done great lease deals on Jetta and Passat GL models.
  • ad2004ad2004 Posts: 1
    Any idea what the life expectancy of the battery packs is? How much would it cost to replace these parts that aren't so standard? An engineer I was talking to recently suggested that the 5-yr and beyond resale value of any hybrid is going to be dismal because of the cost to replace old battery packs/electric motors/etc. Does anyone have any insight to this?

    I can't wait to see some hybrid SUV's on the road!
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    First, since you really can't expect a resale dropoff until after the warranty expires. In Toyota's case, that's 8 years.

    Second, full hybrids (that use HSD anyway) don't use the battery-pack anywhere near as much as most people think. Much of the time, the electricity is actually supplied for the engine instead. It is simply generated on-the-fly rather than having to draw from the battery-pack. Not getting used as much is definitely a benefit.

    Third, the battery-pack is never allowed to be deep-discharged. That is the primary cause of short life. Keeping within the safe charging/draining cycle limitations means the pack will last a very, very long time.

    After studying the design then driving around for a few thousand miles in one, you'll discover the expectation of *NEVER* having to replace the pack is actually realistic.

    And if you don't believe that, just focus on the fact that you wouldn't need to replace the whole thing anyway. Modules can be individually replaced. (Prius has 28 inside.)

    JOHN
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    puts the battery where the spare would normally go. Where is the spare located now?
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    The mini spare is under the rear cargo floor (inside the vehicle) right now. Just like it would be in a car's trunk.

    The '05's spare is now a full size spare and resides under the rear of the vehicle. Just like the Explorer's or Trailblazer's. The Hybrid's should be in the same place if I'm not mistaken.
  • Who makes them anyway? I thought I heard Panasonic makes the ones for the Prius.

    What about Fords?
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Samsung will make the batteries. That was a long time ago though.
  • I have 13 photos out of about 20 you can find on the Internet. One of the photos shows top side of battery in the Escape Hybrid which is located under the rear cargo area. The battery is labeled "Sanyo".

    See my link for more photos and open link there on left side either links or photos.

     
    http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/FordEscapeHybrid2005PressKitL- ink
  • timotimo Posts: 2
    I drive almost 50 miles roundtrip to work each day, year-round, and also need a family car. My kids want us to get a vehicle that can easily carry bikes and snowboards. My wife wants a car where the kids won't be sitting elbow-to-elbow in the back seat complaining that they're cramped for space. Since I can't afford two cars, the Escape Hybrid might be a good compromise that could please the entire family. Anyone know what its projected MPG is?
  • rushorerushore Posts: 2
    The latest articles state that you can expect 35-40 mpg for the fW drive and a little less for the AWD
  • timotimo Posts: 2
    I drive almost 50 miles roundtrip to work each day, year-round, and also need a family car. My kids want us to get a vehicle that can easily carry bikes and snowboards. My wife wants a car where the kids won't be sitting elbow-to-elbow in the back seat complaining that they're cramped for space. Since I can't afford two cars, the Escape Hybrid might be a good compromise that could please the entire family. Anyone know what its projected MPG is?
  • jonesjones Posts: 1
    According to Ford the Escape Hybrid will have the power of the 6 Cyl. I wonder if the 2 WD will be able to pull a small boat or am I going to have to settle for low gas mileage with the 6 cyl. Any opinions?
  • carguy1234carguy1234 Posts: 233
    Escape hybrid is supposed to be rated at 1000 pounds towing. Highlander Hybrid will be rated at 3500 pounds towing, though it will likely be a lot more expensive too.
  • Right now I've got an 03 Mazda Tribute V6 and I rack up serious highway miles - I've had the vehicle since August of 03 and already have 23K on it, but most of it is highway - I can do 1K miles a week sometimes.

    The gas mileage is as to be expected, slightly piggish, but liveable. This hybrid definitely piques my interest, but all they talk about is the 'city mileage' savings, stop and go traffic, etc. Will a hybrid offer me any fuel effeciency on the highway? Will it just be using the motor like my current vehicle does? I know when I coast the electric would kick in, but I really don't think I coast much on the highway.

    TIA
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The most accurate information so far is the info Ford just released yesturday over it.

    http://www.autoweek.com/specials/2004_newyork/escape/info.doc

    It's a document that will open on Word/Excel, source; Autoweek.com
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Detroit News website has an article on the "test". The Manhattan drive demo on a tank of gas resulted in the Escape hybrid doing 576 miles on a tank which was reported as fuel efficiency of 38 miles per gallon. Pretty impressive mileage, and if the price of the Escape hybrid is not ridiculous, I would guess it will sell well.
  • f111df111d Posts: 114
    Write the EPA,your Senator, Ford and the oil companies. And the public still won't get what they want. Common rail diesel with real world MPG 30-50 mpg and the old time big bottom end torque. Damiler got the right thinking in offering one on the Liberty. And I hope America wakes up soon and Damiler will be offering the same in a Mini-van, if the Liberty goes well. This whole Hybrid thing is strict a Band-Aid right-now. If you have money to spare and want the latest toy get a Hybrid, but otherwise I'd wait. No one has mention the size of the battery pack? You slide it under the seat, it just big bunch of Ni-NH tabbed cells.
    Paul
  • marcyumarcyu Posts: 1
    I think we're missing the real points of this vehicle. First, this is a Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle. That means better air quality for every generation after us. Secondly, it gets a 75% improvement in gas mileage compared to the non-hybrid model. So we depend on foreign countries less for gas, not to mention less money out of my own wallet. It may cost a little more up front, but it makes up for it at the gas pump. And clean air for the next generation really is priceless.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Federal Tax Credits, State fringes like HOV lanes, tax credits.....
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    I really have no idea why Bush removed the tax credit on alternative fuel vehicles. I really hope that is rectified soon specially how gas prices are increasing.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,221
    "I really have no idea why Bush removed the tax credit on alternative fuel vehicles."

    I think he was pushing for a $3000 credit to replace it but was turned down. I heard he's going to try again though.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    If that goal was turned down, it would have stayed at the current amount. He specifically phased it out stating manufacturer's had to try that much harder.
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