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Thanks again, Kevin
325Cic MSRP w/Premium Package
$36,700 -- USA POE
$01,700 -- Premium Package
$00,695 -- Destination & Handling
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$39,095 -- Total MSRP
325Cic ED MSRP w/Premium Package
$34,130 -- Munich Pickup
$01,700 -- Premium Package
$00,695 -- Destination & Handling
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$36,525 -- Total ED MSRP
325Cic ED Invoice w/Premium Package + $1,500 Dealer Profit
$31,060 -- Munich Pickup
$01,545 -- Premium Package
$00,695 -- Destination & Handling
$01,500 -- Dealer Profit
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$34,800 -- Total ED Invoice + $1,500 Dealer Profit
This last one (adjusting the dealer profit to suit your situation) is the one that you want to use for your offer, and the MAX you should have to pay (with the exception that some metro area require a MACO charge on ED cars as well) for the car. TTL and dealership paperwork charges (to process the TTL) are of course extra.
Best Regards,
Shipo
_loubct; thanks for the info. Kevin
325Cic ED Invoice w/Premium Package + $1,500 Dealer Profit
$31,570 -- Munich Pickup
$01,545 -- Premium Package
$00,695 -- Destination & Handling
$01,500 -- Dealer Profit
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$35,310 -- Total ED Invoice + $1,500 Dealer Profit
Best Regards,
Shipo
The Rizzo method is basically a clever way for you to get the best deal on the car you want to buy. It follows a number of simple steps:
1) Collecting the info about the car, including dealer's invoice, options invoice price, etc.;
2) Writing down the specs of the car you want, including the invoice price of all options, destination charge, taxes and fees, and adding a reasonable dealer's profit ($1,500);
3) Contacting several dealers with your offer by fax or phone;
4) Sorting out dealers' responses to pick up the best offer.
5) Confirming the total price with the dealer before you go down get your new car!
For more details, please check this site:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/faq/rizzo.html
Good luck!
Tony
Long story short, I found that the 328i had all of the features that I wanted, was in plentiful supply (VERY few Passat GLXs were imported for 1999, regardless of transmission) AND its monthly lease cost was something like $8.00 more per month! When I posted that, Mr. Rizzo and at least a half a dozen other Passat GLX 5-Speed hopefuls jumped ship and got the 3-Series instead. It was at that point that our discussions of how to shop for the BMW gelled into the "Rizzo Method".
Best Regards,
Shipo
Thanks for your valuable insights.
Tony
I've been thinking about getting my own 330ci thru ED, and am wondering what the true out of the door final cost is.
Based on this figure:
$34,800 -- Total ED Invoice + $1,500 Dealer Profit.
Do you add the state taxes on top of this, prior to the TTL, or do you add the TTL, and then add the tax on top? Thanks in advance!
Typically the term "TTL" means "Taxes, Title and License", and one does not affect the other. The Title and License fees are set by your state (and your dealership probably pads that a little, calling it a "Service", so that you will not have to stand in line at your local DMV). The state taxes apply to the negotiated price of the car, which if you are using the "ED Invoice + $1,500" model would be, (ED Invoice + $1,500 + Destination) * (State Tax Rate).
Hope this helps.
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Best Regards,
Shipo
This really helps me to come up with a more precise figure before trying out the Rizzo method (or the Shipo method ).
You guys are awesome. Thanks for the help.
Best Regards,
Shipo
Best Regards,
Shipo
So, forget the coupe. The 4-door is fine, even with sunroof (I tried it). Hence, my question: does anyone know when the 6-sp in the 330i will be shipping for ED? There's no 2004 invoice for the 330i on eurobuyers yet...
Good luck!
Tony
Have fun, take those pocket dictionaries if you are worried. Also, you will be surprised how many Chinese restaurants you will find in small towns in Europe. :-)
What really helps is that everyone is used to not having a common language so it is not expected that you speak the native tongue like it is here in the states. So everyone is used to just muddling around, doing the best they can. The road signs, for example, are usually symbolic.
It helps to have some flexibility, not be uptight, and study up a little beforehand - having a twenty word vocabulary and being able to handle simple numbers helps a lot. But all that is required is a good attitude about it and a desire to have fun.
Europe (especially Germany, Switzerland, and Austria) is about the easiest place in the world to travel - they take good care of tourists and there is seldom any security concerns (other than petty theft which can be a problem in the major cities of France and Italy).
- Mark
There are some places on the web where various German road signs are posted. It would be handy to check those out, as some things are just different from what we are used to in the US.
Enjoy your trip!
I am planning a ski trip to Europe next February, so that would be the ideal time for me to take delivery.
- Mark
I was planning on buying a 325i with a few options and finally decided on 325 convertable(base) with heated front seats (that is the model I can afford). I am going to be in Europe for 45 days.
1. How do I get insurance for the rest of the days?
2. I heard that for california residents tax can be save if I keep the car in Eurpoe for 3 months.
2.1 If there is Tax saving, can I just store the car with a friend and go back and pick it up (I got often and also have miles - so going back is not a problem). What are the insurance implications (do I need to get insurance for 3 months etc).
Thank a lot. This forum was very useful in trying to figure out what I can afford and negotiate.
-Life Laugh
Please check out the following sites; they should answer some of your questions:
http://www.milleredp.com/~jem/edfaq/
http://bobsmithbmw.com/euro.asp
http://www.runlevel6.com/bmw/EDsavings.html
Good luck!
Tony
If you keep the car in Europe for more than 3 months, you must pay the German Road Use Tax.
BMW only pays your insurance for one month. You can only insure your vehicle for six months.
As far as California, I don't know their laws.
I just found out that if we keep the car for more than 3 months in Europe.We don't have to pay CA Tax.
Does anyone know when the 04 sedans will be out?
-Life
How much money are you trying to save? If you get the BMWCCA membership a year before you get the automobile, you can save some. Find that dealer that will give you $1000 above invoice.
Anyway, to answer your question. The 04 sedans will probably be out in September-October time frame.
What is often referred to as the "tourist plate" used for ED cars is actually known as "export plate" locally. It is mainly used by people purchasing used German cars and exporting to the former eastern bloc countries. Due to various reasons, German insurance companies do everything they can to stay away from insuring cars ending up over there. One of which is to make it VERY expensive. Now for the ED cars, BMW struck a deal with one particular company to provide the insurance at a bit more reasonable (not by much) rate for the first 30 days. After the 30 days, you are on your own and it is about 4 to 5 times more than what they normally charge in Germany. A 5-series would cost $450 for me to insure for a year, but $1800 for 6 month with an export plate.
An alternative might be Geico or USAA, as they provide insurance for military and diplomats, etc. If you already have insurance with them, perhaps they will work with you.
I was wondering if anyone could asnwer this question. I'm from cali, and was considering doing ED for a 2004 325Ci.
I was wondering what would be a reasonable amount over invoice to give the dealers? (one dealer was willing to offer me $1500 over invoice for regular american delivery, but i'm thinking since these ED orders don't take cars out of their allotment, i should get even lower on invoice?)
a response or two would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Richard
Why? It is widely rumored that BMW will not make a 2004 3-series wagon to clear the way for the new 3-series based SUV.
- Mark