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2013 and earlier BMW 3-Series Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    explain how BMW made error in production. Give details of the lease, which model of the F30, options, what was the residual that BMW gave you, money down, money factor, cap reduction... thanks
  • quattroquattro Posts: 51
    edited September 2012
    Hi car_man,

    Can u please let me know the residual and money factor for 2013 328i 36mth lease and12k/yr. also do u know of any promotion and dealer rebate on 2013?

    Thx very much
  • frank1961frank1961 Posts: 1
    edited September 2012
    i got quote from dealer indicated $1000 over edmunds invoice price, the car is in process center, I deposit refundable $1000 credit card deposit, I requested dealer before sing the dotted line, I need see the original invoice, is this a good deal?

    thanks

    Frank
  • csnyder335icsnyder335i Posts: 7
    edited September 2012
    Im looking at a 2012 335i with the below options. Can someone help me with what I should offer on this car. My current lease is up and I'm looking to go with another 335.

    36 Months 12k Lease

    MSRP $54820
    Money factor .00185
    Doc fee $900
    Residual 61%

    Using $750 loyalty and $300 Drive App

    VEHICLE PACKAGES & ACCESSORIES

    Parking Pkg -Inc: Rear-View Camera, Front/rear Park Distance Control, Side & Top View Cameras (req: Zpp Premium Pkg)
    Premium Pkg -Inc: Dakota Leather Seat Trim, Universal Garage Door Opener, Comfort Access Keyless Entry, Auto-Dimming Exterior Mirrors
    Sport Line -Inc: Sports Leather Steering Wheel, 18" X 8.0" Double-Spoke Light Alloy Wheels (style 397) W/p225/45r18 Run-Flat Performance Tires, Black Exterior Mirror Caps, Sport Seats, High Gloss Black Interior Trim, Coral Red Matte Highlight Trim Finishe
    Technology Pkg -Inc: Navigation System, Head-Up Display, Extended Content Instrument Cluster, Real Time Traffic Information
    8-Speed Sport Automatic Transmission -Inc: Driving Dynamics Control, Automatic Sport And Manual Shift Modes, Steering Wheel-Mounted Paddle Shifters (req: Zsl Sport Line)
    Split Fold-Down Rear Seat
    Heated Front Seats
    Bmw Assist W/enhanced Bluetooth & Usb -Inc: Online Info Services
    Bmw Apps -Inc: Smartphone Integration (req: 6nl Bmw Apps & Ztp Technology Pkg)

    I don't see any additional Incentives on 335i at the moment. Any help would be great. Thanks!
  • Invoice price is about 8% off the MSRP, you should be able to get somewhere around 7% off and then apply your loyalty discount, don't believe there are any other incentives right now.

    Your money factor is being marked up - std money factor is .00145. Also you should look into doing Multiple Security Deposit if you can, google it to educate your self, you can put down add'l refundable deposits to lower the money factor, doing the math you basically earn 10-12% on your money by saving 40-50 per month on lease payment.

    Also, you say Doc Fee of $900, I assume you mean bank fee, std bank fee is $725, so they are also marking that up and you should be able to negotiate that down.

    Good luck
  • I missed the fact that you are looking at an 2012, you should be able to go below invoice in that case since it is a leftover, I was thinking you were looking at a 2013.
  • BMW didn't install my BT at the factory. I was already getting the car for $500 over invoice. In light of the problem BMW dropped the price of the car $750. Not satisfied (such a small discount for a lease), I had them tear off another $1250 from the CAP Cost. Added in the BMW Team USA voucher giving me a cap cost of 38k. Then I did the 7 MSDs: $2800 (which will come back at the end). 12k mile lease ended up at $399 a month including taxes.
  • csnyder335icsnyder335i Posts: 7
    edited September 2012
    Thanks, yes its a 2012, they are not giving much on the price but there are only 3 dealers in the Phxoenix area and two are owned by the same company. Yes I meant "bank fee" which should be 725 however they are charging more and are upping the rate. Are these negotiable? I have leased before and was not sucessful in getting the rate back down to the base or the doc fee. the .00185 works out to 1400 in profit for them over the 36 months. Im now thinking about ordering one to get exactly what I want as there are no 335i in stock yet.
  • You can do better. The lease fee is negotiable (most reputable dealers will not mark it up).

    You may want to check bimmerfest.com as there are board sponsors on there who will easily do $400-500 over invoice on the 335i. They'll go lower on the 328i as the sales are rather soft...
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    My last two BMWs where bought at Chapman BMW on Camelback, never had a problem always dealt with the internet manager (he just left) but got the deal I wanted. I would stay away from North Scottsdale BMW at all cost...
  • I am going to order a 2013 instead and am talking to Camelback right now. Never ordered a car before and not sure how the process works and how to negotiate the deal. Any advice? :). There are a few that are about to go into production and can still be modified.
  • Go on bmwconfig.com, build the car. Then contact the internet department via email with an exact breakdown of the car you want, invoice price and what you will pay over invoice. Pretty easy. Good dealers will take the offer as it's easy money for them. Bad dealers will play games and ask you to call or say they might have something.
  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    I ordered my 2005 330i with the ZPH package, it was a very easy process. I spent about 2 hours with the salesman, going over every options and how each option changed what I wanted. The BMWconfig.com is a good way to understand what can be ordered on your car, but does miss some items you may want on the car. cambelback will no pressure you at all, since a ordered car does not go against their allocation. If you can swing the Euro Delivery do it, I did it on my 2005 and will do it again if I order another BMW. You will save roughly $2000 on the car, and BMW usually will give a special on the airfare. I did not pay MSRP for my car and got an excellent deal on it.
  • Sent my email with the options I wanted and my offer for the car tonight. Guess we will see..... :).
  • Heard back from the sales rep at Camelback and he said he would go 1400 over invoice for the 335i and 600 for 328. Per BMWConfig.com:

    $56,520 MSRP
    $52,145 Invoice

    $925 Bank Fee
    .00145 Money Factor
    $750 Loyalty Credit

    TRN Service fee is $180 per BMWConfig, is this the same charge as MACO?
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,655
    MACO is a regional advertising fee. Different from T&S. They are marking up the bank fee on you. Should be $725.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • csnyder335icsnyder335i Posts: 7
    edited September 2012
    This may be a stupid question but if I order the car and then BMW kicks in the Holiday credit would I be able to apply it to this car since I will not take delivery until mid November. Not going to change my mind one way or another just curious. Thanks!
  • Hi all,

    My sister-in-law just got CPO '09 328i with 58k miles for the asking price of 20k at a NY dealership. Her previous car was a 3-series too, but it was ruled a total loss as a result of flood damage. Solid deal I thought and told her it sounded good. I couldn't accompany her at the dealership but the carfax appeared great and it was a 1-owner car.

    She signed the paperwork yesterday and called me today after looking at her receipt in a panic. The dealership charged her $1,500 for the Wheel and Tire Protection Package and $2,600 for Maintenance, and apparently, they never explained it to her or informed her.

    The Wheel and Tire Package sounds like a complete waste after reading it essentially covers flats/punctures and generalized non-cosmetic damage. I don't have the particulars for the maintenance program, but after reading up on it on the BMW USA website, it sounds like it basically extends the maintenance to 6 years/100,0000 miles. Seems redundant to me as CPO covers 6 years/100,000 miles? Or maybe it is a maintenance plan exclusively through the dealership and not through BMW USA?

    I'm certain the Wheel package is a crock. But how about the maintenance? I've been out of the purchasing loop for a little bit, but this seems unfair and sneaky.

    Anyone know if the purchaser can someone wiggle out of these fees after the fact? Car was purchased Saturday.

    Thanks a bunch gang
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 29,117
    CPO is just a warranty... it doesn't extend the maintenance coverage...

    The last list price I saw on the extended maintenance plan for an E90 was $2095.... but, that was a couple of years ago, so it may have increased.. $1500 seems like a lot for tire/wheel coverage...

    I wouldn't purchase either one of those... If she wants to cancel, I'm sure there is a cancellation period... Just be aware that if she financed those items, the refund will go to the lender and be applied against the principle of the loan... She will still get the full benefit, but won't see an increase in cash flow until the loan pays up early.

    When someone adds $4100 into your loan, you should notice the difference... always good to study an amortization calculator before you go, just so you know what the approximate payment should be... (If I borrow, $20K for 48 months at 3%, my payment is $443, etc...)

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • flightnurseflightnurse 35K feetPosts: 1,642
    I got my niece a great deal on a 2009 328i, it is Black with Oyster leather, it has the sport package, premium package, comfort access system, Xenon headlights, Power rear shade, side shades, Headed front seats, multi zone climate control, USB adapter, Satellie radio, and it has 46K miles, it is a CPO, and all the service records, the car was bought and then sold from the same dealer. She got it for $24K, which I thought was a great deal, she was able to get 3% financing on it. This is her first BMW, and wont be her last. So the car has 4K left of the free maintenance, and how is covered for 100K.. One of the best CPO's out there...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,424
    The prices do sound about right to me, unfortunately, but they absolutely should have explained it, and I'm pretty sure there is extra paperwork that needs to be signed for that.(??)

    As for the wheel/tire package, what size wheels came on the car? If by some chance she has the 18" wheels, you might actually consider keeping that package. The wheels are ridiculously soft and the runflat tires will bubble pretty easily, too.

    Of course, the cheaper option, if you have the 18" wheels, is to buy aftermarket 17" wheels and non-runflat tires.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • hello all, i trying to lease 2012 328i coupe ( this is a one of special offer from bmwusa.com)

    $339*/month for 36 months. $3,200 Option Allowance and $750 Loyalty Cash included in payment.
    • $339 First months payment
    • $2,750 Down payment
    • $0 Security Deposit
    • $725 Acquisition fee
    • $3,814 Cash due at signing

    has anyone leased from this offer ????
    is this a good deal ??
    how $3200 option allowance works ???
    this deal already includes premium package, automatic, BT/USB alarm and dest. charge....
    so i get another option package or options that worth $3200 and monthly will be the same ??? and is it possible to use $750 loyalty cash towards down payment ???
    please help if any one familiar with this kind of deal
    thank you !
  • What are MSD's?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,424
    multiple security deposits

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • todd_gainestodd_gaines Posts: 6
    edited September 2012
    Try bimmerfest and do the board sponsors. No 3 series should be going for more than $100-200 over invoice before rebates/incentives. The 3 series is selling poorly (august was awful).
  • Do not do it. MSDs. look them up. 2750 down payment should be in multiple security deposits. Also you need to give us more details. If you're getting almost 4k off, that better be 4k off INVOICE, not sticker for a 328i e92. The body style is dead.

    With any lease first you get them to commit to a price BEFORE applying rebates. Second, you make sure the money factor is base and that all fees are normal. Then you apply max security deposits (lowering your money factor by .00049 - about $50 a month).

    1. Selling price
    2. Fees
    3. MF
    4. Fees
    5. MSDs

    Cap cost reduction only works if you need to lower your car's cap cost a little to get cheaper MSDs.

    http://www.bmwconfig.com/post/2011/04/14/Multiple-Security-Deposits-as-a-riskles- s-Investment.aspx
  • Today I was offered the following deal by a dealer:

    - New 2012 328i Sedan
    with
    - Met Gray
    - Lighting package
    - Prem package
    - Tech package
    - Heated Front Seats

    MSRP: $45,145
    Selling at $41,800
    Lease 36mths / 15K miles
    MF = 0.00115
    Residual= 59%
    Zero Down (I mean 0 down, just sign and Drive, dealer pays first months lease payment)
    $545/month incl. GA Tax

    Is this good?
  • I have to second kyftx's response overall.

    The maintenance is a separate plan to that of the warranty. The tire plan is basically a crock because you can practically buy new tires for that price. Read the find print as I am sure you can cancel both as he said. They will surely give you a hard time on doing it though by trying to make you feel like it is a stupid decision.

    On my first car the same thing happened to me with an extended warranty. I ended up going down to the dealership and canceling my warranty and it took a year off my payments. Interest rates were a bit higher than, so it may not have the same impact on her, but that's how it's done.

    However, you could likely refinance right away if you really want to keep the same loan duration.

    And as kyfdx said before, read things carefully. If there isn't n out, most places won't just be nice about it.
  • stone19stone19 Posts: 18
    Can anyone confirm money factors for 2013 328 for October, had heard they had dropped from .00145.
  • It is now .00135
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