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2013 and earlier BMW 3-Series Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • ger3sfger3sf Posts: 29
    On 3/30, I ordered an 04 330CiC (Mystic blue, black top, Nat Brown, Sport Pkg, SMG, 18" wheels, Nav, Xenon, Htd seats) for European delivery....US MSRP of 51670, ED price of 45990.

    My deal was approx $1,500 above ED invoice. To me, this was a fair price since the dealer secured the ED date that I wanted.

    I locked-in the March lease terms by submitting (on-line) the BMWFS application on 3/31. The lease terms are: 36mo/45K, 58% residual, 0.0014MF, zero cap cost reduction, $551/mo plus sales tax.
  • I have negotiated as far as the dealership will go, and they've come to 30,500(down from 31,900) on a 03 325 XI with 19k miles on it, premium package, and heated leather seats. It is also CPO.We have outstanding credit, and they've offered us an APR of 4.49.
    Could I do better in price and/or APR? I dont' want to lose a good deal, but also want to make sure this is one. The MSRP on a 04 of with the same features is 36,400.
    Also, I want to know why an 03 is already on the lot with 19k miles on it. I will ask, but is there anything I should be wary of? Do they have to be honest about where it came from?
    Thanks-this board is priceless!!
  • I purchased a 03 330i from a private party several days ago. I ran a car fax and also ran the VIN through BMW. Everything checked out. The car has sport and premium packages, step, xenon, titanium silver W/gray leather and tinted windows. It has 7,500 miles on it.The mileage checked out with the BMW dealer. The owner was being transferred overseas in five days and had to sell. I paid $34,000 for the car and since there is no sales tax in AZ when buying from a private party, I think I got a good deal. By the way the car is pristine with not even a pin prick scratch on it. Prior to buying I checked Edmunds, Kelley and NADA and the prices given ranged from $34,000 to $37,500. Did I get a decent deal?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,671
    An '03 could be 18 months old, so 19K is not a lot of miles. And, no, the dealer doesn't have to be honest about where the car came from or if its had body work, etc... He may not even know or care about all those details. The big advantage of buying CPO is the car has that 100K warranty to protect you down the road. I'm not suggesting there is anything wrong with the car, but I wouldn't depend on them to tell you. You can ask them to print out the vehicle history. That will tell you when it was serviced, and at what mileage. It may even tell you if BMW had to do any body repair to the car.

    Every used car and dealer is different, so it is hard to say if you can do better than that price. I personally think it is about $1K high. If I could get the new one for $34,5K, I would rather have that, than the used one at $30.5K. The APR looks fair for an'03, but check with your credit union if you have one, or the bank where you have your checking account. Most will give new car rates on an '03.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,671
    After the fact... but, it looks like a good price. No sales tax on private sales? You can't beat that.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,413
    brislance: Looks like a great price. That '03 sounds like it stickered for well over $40K. Congrats on finding a great usd car!

    lwv: That $451/month sounds like a good deal on a $37K+ car.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • eagleeye3eagleeye3 Posts: 44
    I am interested in buying/leasing a 325I in the San Diego Area. I was wondering if it was possible to "order" a 325I with the specific options you desire and still obtain a deal that is $1500 - $2000 under MSRP. For instance, I don't believe I need the full premium package, instead adding the sunroof and power seats a la carte to Sport, SMG, Xeon, and HK seems like a better choice. Is this realistic? Also, does anyone have any feedback re: dealerships in the North San Diego/San Diego area? I live in Carlsbad.
  • You can't beat the lease deals on a 3 series right now and you can always lease a 3 for 2 years then turn around and buy the new 3 series which in coming out in 2 years. If you lease, it is not worth the change in your payment to worry about not getting the premium package(premium will increase the residual value of your lease as well as the msrp) so when leasing the difference is really negligible. I have a spreadsheet so email me at aol if you want it. It will also make negotiating easier to buy a car they have on the lot. Please see the lease board for some very informative posts on the 325i. You can't beat the lease incentive lately.. Just my opinion but I think it would be crazy to buy this car with a body style change in the near future given the money factor (73%) and residual (.00125) on a 2 year lease.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,671
    Have you driven the SMG? It seems most people think the Steptronic or manual are better choices. I agree with ashleyandersin.. with the leasing incentives, it makes more sense to lease than buy, though I would still lease for three years.

    You will have a hard time ordering, and getting the car by 6/30/04. You have to take delivery by then to lock in the current lease deals. That would make the savings of not getting the premium package negligible. At most you are saving perhaps $13-$18 per month, and could possibly cost yourself much more than that, if lease deals aren't as good later.

    If you can live with the steptronic, you should be able to find plenty of inventory equipped the way you want right now. You may be able to bargain hard enough on a lot car, to make up for the cost of any extra options you don't really need.

    Your option list looks good.. I wouldn't let the HK be a deal breaker. I have it, and its better than not having it, but I wouldn't say its worth $700. I wouldn't have it without Xenon and Sport, though.

    regards,
    kyfdx

    EDIT: Leather?? You might have a harder time finding a car equipped that way, if you don't want it. Most with premium and sport packages will have it.

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  • My 330CIC is in the processing center. I ordered the car and got $1750 off MSRP. That's pretty good. I'd start with $2500 off MSRP and work it. Settle for anything over$1500. If you lease realize they can make up for it on the lease. If trading in, realize they will try to make some up on the trade-in. Good luck!
  • lwvlwv Posts: 32
    nyccarquy - thanks for the reply. I am really enjoying the car. I had looked at one last year when they had the dealer cash on 03s, but could not find the equipment and color. This one had the equipment and color that I would have ordered, so went for it.

    Thanks for helping all of us.
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  • hman709hman709 Posts: 11
    Hi everyone,

    I just bought a 325xi (metallic paint, auto, premium and heated seats) for $34130. BTW, did the invoice price of the 325xi increase from $29850 ?? BTW, the price also includes floor mats which i would think should not even be discussed for 30k+ car.

    Also, the sales person was asking me if i want to turn daylights on ? Does that burn the headbulbs faster? Any adavntage one way
    or another ?

    Any last minute freebies or things to get before i sign my
    hard earned money away? :)
  • Hi everyone, im in the market for a new 325ci convertible, i received a lease price of 597 a mnth for 36mo/12kyr. The car was steel grey with black leather, prem, steptronic, cwp, and xenon. Msrp was about 45000. Is this a good price? I would be paying the taxes upfront. Does anyone have a similar car and lease it? How much do u pay.
  • sageradsagerad Posts: 5
    I will be trading in a 97 328ic for either a 2002 325xi wagon (black) with 28,000 miles or a 2003 325i sedan (metallic blue) with 7000 miles. The cost for both cars is about the same ($28,000).

    To me, the trade-off is between the mileage of the 2002 being significantly greater than the 2003 versus having the convenience of the wagon and the safety of AWD. So should I be concerned about buying the more "used" car. I plan to drive either car for roughly 8,000 miles/year for at least 5-7 years.
  • shap1shap1 Posts: 77
    I run my daytime lights all the time and have only had to change the bulbs once in three years. Hope that helps.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,671
    1) 2002 vs. 2003: Check the inservice dates. If the wagon was put in service in the fall of '01 and the sedan was July '03, there could be a 20 month difference in warranty expiration. To me, that would be significantly in favor of the '03.

    2) 28K miles vs. 7K miles: Care of the vehicle is much more important, the more miles there are. I have rarely seen a car with under 10K miles that had condition issues. The older car could have been owned by an uncaring owner for 2.5 years.. This is definitely in favor of the '03.

    3) Wagon vs. Sedan: I happen to like wagons, but most think you are giving something up in appearance. Unless you really have to haul a lot of stuff around, or take long driving vacations with 3 or more people, I don't see it as a necessity from a utility point of view. If you like wagons better, though, score one for the '02.

    4) All-wheel-drive vs. rear-wheel-drive: All wheel drive will give you better traction in the winter. But, BMW's system is far from state of the art. If you were choosing between an A4 with fronttrack or quattro it would be a no-brainer, but there are compromises with the 3-series. The negatives: increased weight, poorer handling, lower gas mileage, higher maintenance costs, higher ride height (appearance). I don't know where you live, but assuming its not Minnesota or upper Wisconsin, I give the nod to the sedan. A set of 16" winter tires on the sedan will give it better winter handling than the wagon with all-season tires and 80% of the traction. For those that have to have all-wheel-drive, a 3-series is a great car, but if you are still making that decision, I vote against it.

    5) If the cars are optioned similarly, then the '03 looks like the better buy.

    Okay, what color blue? LOL

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • sageradsagerad Posts: 5
    Kyfdx,

    Thank you for the excellent, point-by-point analysis.

    As for the warranties, the wagon is CPO and has 3 1/2 years of warranty left. The sedan was used by the dealer as a loaner car for service customers--it has never been titled.

    As for the need for a station wagon and AWD, we have an SUV (Lexus LX470) which serves any station wagon roles and yet another car that I can drive in the winter (Volvo 850) in St. Louis. The BMW purchase would be primarily for commuting purposes (average 120 miles/week) and errands, rare short car trip by myself, etc.

    Thank you very much. Your comments are extremely helpful. I will pass on the wagon and may wait instead for a low mileage coupe, which is what I would really prefer.

    SageRad
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,671
    One more note.. in case you decide on the '03.. Even though it hasn't been titled, it will still have an in-service date. The warranty clock is already ticking. Most BMWs put into the service loaner program have an extra 3 months/5K miles full warranty added on to the original warranty.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • sageradsagerad Posts: 5
    I thought a good bit about your comments and about my reasons for getting the new car. As I pulled into the dealership there was a moment of clarity, and I saw what I really wanted: a silver coupe. So I bought a 2001 Silver 325ci coupe with 25,000 mi and every option including Sport and Premium packages. It's CPO with a warranty that extends to 12/06. It was returned within the last month from a lease. I do not know why anyone would return it. ;-

    Thank you for your insights and analysis.
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