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Toyota Tacoma (2004 and earlier)



  • lariat1lariat1 Posts: 461
    I see your point, but if there is people that let their kid run around in a vehicle it doesnt matter where they are riding they are going to get hurt in an accident. As for getting ejected from the bed I am not to sure what it takes but I was riding it the back of my dads truck, (sitting down against he cab because if I moved from there 9 times out of ten an [non-permissible content removed] whuppin happened) anyway we hit a moose at 60MPH it totaled the truck and I got a bruise on my arm. But then again up here the chances of hitting a moose are better than the chances of hitting a car so riding in the back of a truck isnt near as dangerous as other more populated areas.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    "Nevermind the lawsuits, I'd like to think that not everyone is an idiot to try to solve their problems (and escape responsibility) with a lawsuit: if they know the danger of riding in the back, do it anyway and something bad happens....well, they knew what they were getting into."

    In todays society a lawsuit based on negligence will occur with 100% certainty. Based on the earning potential of a 12-14 year old.....well I wouldn't even want to think of that.

    You're right, 12-14 year olds don't know what they are getting into.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Whose negligence are we talking about here?
    Can I go out with my friends, get drunk till I can't walk, crawl into my truck, drive away, run into a tree, sober up and sue my friends because they did not stop me from driving away?

    If 12-14yos want to ride in the back, let them. Make sure they are not doing any stupid things like standing up while you're doing 60 down the freeway.
    Other than can't defend yourself against EVERYTHING, sometimes you just have to let it go.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Sue not your friends but the establishment that allowed you to get intoxicated to the point where you fall off the stool.....deeper pockets.

    The thing about minors....they don't have much say especially where their parents are concerned. It's basically up to the adults on whether to allow them in the back or not. Good luck with letting them go.
  • wondering if anybody would like to speculate on how the Tacoma's side impact rating could possibly affect people riding in the bed...
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    regardless of rating of the sides.
    With a side impact all the force is perpendicular to the vehicle, and will launch people from side to side. With beds being pretty shallow on most trucks, anyone not sitting down very low would probably be flung out of the bed.
    Same would happen with a rear-end collision at high speed differential (only now people would be flung back at the vehicle that struck the truck).
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    truck being tboned by an 18 wheeler. Needless to say the passengers in the bed and cab didn't survive.
  • My Tacoma 4x4 extended cab came with the standard Bridgestone 16" tires which slip on the wet from a stand still start. The handling at speeds over 70 mph seems soft and unpredictable.
    I generally have the tire pressure at 36psi usually ride alone with an unloaded bed.
    Anyone else feel unsafe at higher speeds and any suggests as to how to improve upon the ride?
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    1. Deflate the tires to 28-30. Having so much pressure means you're not riding on the entire width of the tire, but on the center (do a chalk test to see what I'm talking about).
    2. Get better tires if above does not help.

    I've driven at 90 and truck felt fine, but I ride around with 28-32 psi pressure max.

    Improving upon the ride:
    1. Replace coils to better ones (OME makes them, if you don't want lift, you'll want 880 coils., you can buy a setup with 880 coils and shocks from them.
    2. Tire slippage: put 3 50-lbs bags of sand in the bed.
    3. If you don't want to spend money on new coils (should be around $250-300), you can buy used TRD coils off someone on ebay who put a lift on.
  • Own a 2001 tacoma 4x4 6cyl 5M TRD. No major complaints. 18-20 mpg on mixed highway/local. "notchy" shift from 1st to 2nd when cold. whiny sound from engine in low revs. whine from cab fan at setting 3 and above. driver seat fabric wearing prematurely. I like the stability on hwy in high winds at 75 mph. definitely get rubber floor mats - the fabric ones are crappy. less than professional finish on truck bed metal. Engine noise will not remind you to shift into 5th - you need to get used to this. When I drove the automatic, I hated the lack of "punch" compared to the manual.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Picked up my new Tacoma this week. It is 2K3 Extended Cab, 4WD, Silver, auto, TRD, SR5 w/ color key, cruise, power pkg, sliding rear window,sunroof, and hitch. The cruise control is the Toyota add on cruise and is installed on the left side of the steering column. When I went to pick up the truck it did not have cruise and I was told it would when I ordered it. Major headache and frustration ensued and when the dust settled the dealer installed cruise. Does anyone have any comments about the Toyota non-factory cruise control good or bad?

    So far very happy with the truck. The seats are too soft for my liking and the steering wheel is slightly off center and will need to have it adjusted by dealer so that the truck will go straight when the steering will is centered but those are my only issues.
  • autonutsautonuts Posts: 138
    could someone tell me if the new Tacoma's still have the column shifter on the automatics? Thanks!
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    Nope. Auto shifters are now mounted in the center like manual shifters.
  • I have been considering buying a new Tacoma after my 1989
    Nissan 2WD was totaled. I am looking at a 4WD Xtracab
    manual transmission, but I am undecided on 4 cyl or the V6.
    The EPA estimates are 18/21 for the 4 cyl, and 17/20 for the
    V6. What is the typical mileage that people have gotten? The 2.7L
    4 cyl is rated at 150 HP, and the V6 is 190 HP, and there is only 1 mile a gallon difference? I typically got 25 mpg in my
    nissan, but that was a 2WD vehicle, of course.

    The models I have looked at have all had bucket seats. Just
    how comfortable are these seats for extended periods of time?
    The bench seat in my Nissan was dreadful for more than short
    distances. I have been driving a Honda Accord until I get my
    truck, and have been spoiled by the comfortable seats. Of course this is a truck and not a car, but I would prefer some
    comfort. This vehicle will be used as my daily driver.

    My last question is about TRD. It seems that almost all the V6 vehicles I have seen have TRD. I have seen one V6 without, however. How does this affect the ride? I really don't have serious plans to offroad, but it would be nice to have 4WD, as I have gotten stuck a couple of times on back roads in my 2WD truck, and the few times it does snow here (I live in NM),
    a 2WD truck is a pain on slick roads, especially on an incline.

    So, I guess I am probably leaning toward the 2.7 4 Xtracab w/o TRD for mileage and comfort reasons, but wanted to get some feedback from Tacoma owners.
  • sc0rpi0sc0rpi0 Posts: 897
    1. Milage: I have a 2002 V6 4WD manual. Last tank was 18mpg, all of it city driving (few 10-mile freeway runs). On highway, at 75 I get around 19-19.5, at 85 I get 18, 90-17mpg. I got 20 once, but I'm not the law-obiding type to drive the speedlimit and got it because of heavy traffic. I was doing about 70-75. As far as I4s go, they get much better gas milage. They always go into 300-mile on each gas tank, while I usually have to fill up when I hit about 280. It's not 1mpg, it's a lot more. I've heard of some getting 24mpg.

    2. Seats: to each their own. Nearly everyone in TTORA complains about how bad seats are, but I don't get it :) I drove from TX to KS few times this year (700 miles each way), and I felt fine. I also made a run from Austin, TX to Chatanooga, TN once (17 hours), and didn't have any problems. But the problem is that you have to try it out yourself and see how you like the seats. 15 minute drive won't do it. Statistically, I think, you'll find them somewhat uncomfortable.
    If you are mechanically-inclined, you could install more comfortable seats.

    3. TRD. Everybody now has TRD. 99% of people don't know what it is and don't use it. TRD is a nice package if you're going for an offroad truck. The #1 reason to get TRD is the locker. HOwever, it is available on some models as a stand-alone option...#2 reason is better suspension. Progressive coils and better shocks make ride better and firmer. Again, you have to try it yourself. I think you'll find non-TRD a little too soft. Worst case, if you don't like non-TRD setup, there's always plenty of people who sell their TRD suspension (coils and struts) brand new or very little used because they install lifts. I know because I just sold mine on ebay today for $170, complete front coils+strut setup ready to bolt on plus rear shocks.
    For more info, go to , it's a nation-wide club of Tacoma owners/offroaders. Check the message boards, ask away. You'll find loads of good info there.
  • have a 2002 tacoma 4x4 sr5 double cab, fully loaded. love it. question- what exactly does the ecm button do? i know it smehow changes the shifting, but can someone explain it better? does it wear on the engine more to run it often? anything would be helpful. the truck in every way, pulls my big boat just fine, move the clock and its flawless...
  • The ECT button does change the shifting. It actually stands for "electronically controlled transmission". What it does is when it is in the power mode indicated by the "ECT PWR" on the dash when engaged, the transmission will downshift more readily with less pedal travel on the gas and when accelerating with the pedal depressed more heavily, it will stay in the lower gear longer before upshifting. With the HP and Torque bands on the Toyota engines extending higher into the RPM range, it gives a nice boost to the acceleration on the vehicle, at the expense of gas milage if you're a bit of a lead foot.

    Hope this helps.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Posts: 1,653
    I also had a Nissan 2wd that was recently totaled. Mine was a 1990, however. I replaced it with a 1996 Tacoma V6, extended cab, 2wd.

    The seats in the Tacoma are a big improvement over the bench seat in the Nissan. The side bolsters, center armrest and adjustable seatback angle all are major improvements over a fixed-angle bench. The taco seats are still firm after 83,000 miles. I just made a 300 mile (one way) Thanksgiving trip and have no complaint with the seats. I don't like the door mounted armrest though.

    Gas mileage for the trip with the 6 cylinder was 21 MPG. My Nissan was getting about 22 with the four banger and a smaller, lighter truck (std cab). If you go with the 4x4, you will naturally take a hit on the gas mileage.

    I have to say that the V-6 is really nice... smooth and torquey. It effortlessly climbs hills in 5th that the Nissan needed 4th to hold its speed. The newer Toyota 4 is more powerful than my old Nissan (134 HP), but the six is soooo nice.

    One thing that I miss about the standard-cab Nissan is the nimble handling. The long wheelbase of the ex-cab Toyota makes for a much larger turning diameter and far less agile feeling handling.

    Whatever version of the Tacoma you choose, I don't think you can go wrong. They are well designed, solidly built trucks.

  • Got a 4x4, ext cab trd v-6 5 spd, 1998 model Tacoma. 156K miles, never less than 17 mpg (towing) and never more than 22 mpg (windows up, 67 mph, air off, 36 psi, interstate). I can tell you that if you're going to be above 40 mph for extended periods, it actually saves fuel by running the air and leaving the windows up. Tailgate down has no noticeable effect. Below 40, the drag penalty is negligible and windows down is better. BTW, I have checked and recorded mileage since I owned the truck.
    Seats are buckets and I like them fine for any length of trip. TRD is hard ride, but doesn't bother me.
    I have been stuck in it three times, all on inclines with wet grass only. Dropping into 4HI allieviated the problem.
    I like the Pre-runner for its ride height, but the automatic transmission totally bores me, so I had to go 4x4.
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