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Fog Lights

i just purchases a 98 dakota sport 4x2. unfortunately it doesn't have fog lights. what's involved in adding this feature? is there an aftermarket kit specific for this vehicle & does anyone know where i can purchase them? also my truck doesn't seem to have a lite for the glove box & ashtray. it's annoying. thanx for the help.
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  • fog light kit is available from the dealer parts department. If I recall right the price is about $120. I believe it includes a replacement headlight switch and wiring. Rick
  • I have a 2003 Chev Silverado 2500HD that doesn't have fog lights, but it has the fog light switch.
    I want to add after market lights in the stock mounting positions.
    I believe there must be factory wiring already included in my wiring harness and it is probably tied off somewhere. I figure that 2000 or 2001 and up are similarly set up. My question is if someone has already identified where the wiring is located and/or what color coded wiring to look for. A schematic or wiring harness routing guide are probably too much to hope for.
    Bill
  • iVE GOT A 2300 hd ALSO BUT NO FOG LIGHT SWITCH. I DO HAVE ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS RIGHT WHERE THE LIGHTS WILL GO WHEN I PUT THEM IN. TAKE A LOOK, YOU SHOULD SEE WHERE THEY PLUG IN. GET THE KIT FROM THE DEALER IF NECC. ANY WIRING DIAGRAM WILL SHOW YOU WHERE THEY ARE, NOT A BAD IDEA TO OWN A SET OF MANUALS.
  • The fog lights in my 01 DDQC are worthless. I stopped at the local PIAA lamps dealer and they had no cross reference for replacement bulbs for the stock item (#806 bulb if I remember correctly).

    Has anyone replaced their stock fog lamps and what brand/model number was purchased.
  • boat10boat10 Posts: 59
    just ordered set of OEM fog lights for my 02 Silverado from my dealer. They are in the GM Accesories catalog. Includes all needed hardware, wiring, switch, FULL instructions on how to install. $93.00, tax included. I thought the price was reasonable
  • ahasherahasher Posts: 236
    davewarwick1 , I too found the OEM PLASTIC lights useless on my 2000 QC, with a low wattage bulb. No replacements available. I upgraded to PILOT PL-119C I got from a local trucking shop, but Auto Zone Web Page says they carry it. I paid $82 for the kit. Exact match size wise for the airdam, 4 inch round glass with 55W halogen bulb which can be upgraded. Good wiring harness but not the factory switch, so i just spliced into the original light harness to use the existing dash switch. The mount brackets it had however was not what I expected, so I modified the OEM bracket to hold the new housing. It worked great,

    and the lights are BRIGHT!!!!! Oh yeah, They also have AMBER glass for FOG light use. I took some pix of the mod and put them on my homepage:


    http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-ahasher

  • My dakota came without the fog light option and I installed some myself. Any 4" round light will work. Pilot makes a specific kit that comes with the brackets and everything for about $80. I used APC 4" driving lights because I found them cheap for $30.00. You will need to drill a hole in the bumber bracket right about the rear of the lights. My lights came with a U bracket and I re-bent it into an L so I could bolt it into the hole that I drilled and have it meet the back of the bracket for the lights. As far as wiring the lights, I used a relay and tapped off of the parking lights for my on/off switch on the relay. I then wired 12volts to the relay and for the ground I ran a wire into the cab with a switch. The fog lights will turn off when I turn off my lights and vice versa. I also have the ability to turn them on and off from the cab when I want to.
  • Thanks for the responses on fog lights. Looks like there are good lights out there and I will give them a try.
  • boat10boat10 Posts: 59
    received my order I placed with my Rado dealer (GM ACCESSORY) and installed myself. A little work, but looks just like a factory done job. Only thing I don't like about them is you cannot turn them on without the headlights turned on. Anybody out there know how to get around this?
    The accessory package had everything you need to put them on the vehicle, wiring harness, switch, mounting brackets attached to the lights (just like what comes on a factory order). I had my dealer reprogram BCM to make them work. NO CHARGE since I done all the work myself!!!!!
    Well satisfied ........
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,861
    Can someone explain why you can't run your fog lights without the headlights being on at the same time?

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  • Dont have a clue my 00 was the same way, I asked myself the same question. My new 03 can turn them on W/O the lights on. One of the many improvements GM made to the 03's
  • I have a 00 DAK CC and I can put my fogs on with the headlights on but not with the high beams on. I thought this was the norm; suuposedly the high beams and fogs on together actually cause a loss of visisbility.
  • zueslewiszueslewis Posts: 2,353
    when in fog, if you hit your high beams, they'll just bounce back at you and you won't see a thing. They don't get under the fog and let you see the road like low beams and fog lights do.

    On a clear night, you could use both for max visibility, but I'd NEVER use high beams in fog -

    Jim
    From Coastal Texas with 98% humidity year-round - we know fog!
  • Is there a preferred place or easy way to get the wiring through the firewall? I have an '03 Toyota Highlander non-Ltd.
  • Can someone help? I need the color pattern of a hot wire to tap into to power the foglight installation. I found an access point to go through the firewall in answer to my post here, #15, if anyone needs that information.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    It doesn't look like you're having much luck here. You might try posting your question in Toyota Highlander or Toyota Highlander Owners: Accessories & Modifications.

    Good luck.

    tidester, host
  • On the Sequoia there is a green wire that comes off the dash light dimmer control. This is the power from the parking lights. If you use it to send power through your switch to a good relay it doesn't use much power and makes sure you don't leave them on by accident. They will have power when parking lights are on, low and high beam also. You can also do the samething from one of the actual parking lights. Most of my fog light installs i run from the parking light itself. The relays and all power is fused and close to the battery area. I run a grounding wire from the relay to the switch to any convenient ground under the dash. If for some reason the wire going through the firewall rubs and short circuits, the worst that will happen is my fogs turn on but no other wires will accidently melt.
  • Thanks sequoiasoon for the reply. I will look for that wire. I presume it is the same color on the HL. I was luck to run the wire through a rubber grommet on the firewall. I only need the power now. Was that a solid green wire?
  • Function
      DTI Color Vehicle Color Location
    Start:
      Yellow BLACK/WHITE IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS *
    Ignition #1:
      Blue BLACK/RED IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
    Ignition #2:
      Green BLACK/YELLOW IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
    Ignition #3:
      Wht/Blk N/A
    Accessory:
      White PINK IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
    Brake Light:
      Orange GREEN/WHITE AT SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL
    Tach Signal:
      Green YELLOW/GREEN AT ECM PIN B4 **
    Parking Lights:
      Yellow GREEN (+) AT JUNCTION BLOCK ON PASSENGER SIDE AT ECM
    Headlights:
      Yellow
    OEM Alarm Disarm:
      Brn/Wht RED/YELLOW (-) INSIDE OF DRIVER'S DOOR
    Diesel Glow Plug:
      Red/Black
    Clutch Bypass Wire:
      n/a
    lower case colors are for the alarm maunfacturers wiring that provided this info. The Toyota colors are uppercase. This may help, Rick
  • Function
      DTI Color Vehicle Color Location
    Start:
      Yellow BLACK/WHITE IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS *
    Ignition #1:
      Blue BLACK IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
    Ignition #2:
      Green BLACK.YELLOW IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
    Ignition #3:
      Wht/Blk N/A
    Accessory:
      White PINK IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
    Brake Light:
      Orange GREEN/WHITE AT SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL
    Tach Signal:
      Green WHITE/GREEN IN A 28-PIN PLUG AT THE ECM **
    Parking Lights:
      Yellow GREEN (+) DRIVER'S KICK PANEL
    Headlights:
      Yellow RED/BLUE (-) AT HEADLIGHT SWITCH
    OEM Alarm Disarm:
      Brn/Wht RED THAT CHANGES TO BLUE (-) STEERING COLUMN HARNESS ***
    Diesel Glow Plug:
      Red/Black ARMS WITH LOCKS
    Clutch Bypass Wire:
      n/a N/A
  • Has any one isntalled after market fog lights for Sienna?
  • Thanks for all the assistance in getting my fog lights installed on my Toyota Highlander. One last problem. I am using a Toyota rocker switch with three leads on it and an LED. The leads, I am sure, are connected properly but the LED continues to glow with the switch in the off position and the power in the car on. The lights work fine. Is there something else that I have not done properly?
  • See my Highlander posts. If the Sienna is similar to the HL, it can be accomplished as a diy. The HL has 5" circumfrence bumper holes with false grills in them, which I took out and replaced with Pilot 5" PL-62's. Email privately with other questions. geller44@optonline.net
  • Most 3 lead switches are ground, power in, power out. It sounds like you have the power in and out flipped. You obviously tapped into a "key on" power source if the LED lights when you turn key on. The foglights probably do the same if the switch is on. There might be a diagram on the side of the switch, it would show a bulb between 2 terminals, one of those is the ground (3 small dashes) and the other would be power OUT to the lights. This way the LED gets power when the foglights do.
  • clubman1clubman1 Posts: 1
    Hello, I am new to the forums and I hope I get it right. Anyway, I have a 2005 Galant ES. This model comes without factory fog lights. I would like to buy OEM fog light kit from Mitsubishi. I have been told conflicting stories as to the car having the correct wiring harnesses already installed in the bumper and the switch harness in the dashboard all ready for the switch. Some dealers are saying everything is there, some are saying harnesses may be needed. If all is there, I can probably install myself. If not I might have to give it to the dealer to do. Anyone have any info. as to the wiring etc. has anyone installed lights and know how hard it is to do.

    Regards,, Clubman
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,861
    Fall is officially here; anyone installing fog lights in anticipation of foggy winter days?

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  • podpod Posts: 176
    My last four cars have had fog lights built in by the manufacturer (BMW, Supra, Ford truck and Mercury Sable). Under various conditions (including fog obviously) I have turned them on and off and must say that they did not contribute to a remarkably improved view of the road ahead. In fact there was hardly any difference at all except for the scattered light near the car. Are fog lights designed to make your car more visible to other cars in fog or are they alleged to improve road visibility for you. I don't find this. Any opinions?
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Are fog lights designed to make your car more visible to other cars in fog or are they alleged to improve road visibility for you.

    Fog lights are intended to make you more visible to others. There is nothing magical about the color, from a physics perspective, since all visible wavelengths are pretty much equally scattered by fog droplets though the eyes are more sensitive to colors in the middle of the visible spectrum.

    tidester, host
  • podpod Posts: 176
    I am surprised since I always assumed that foglamps were to illuminate the road for the driver's advantage. If, in fact, they are intended to make your car (the one with foglamps) more visible to others, then they are analogous to running lights in a boat. Why aren't the standard headlamps sufficient to make your car visible to others? Is it simply a matter of the number of lights? Does the location of the "foglamps" matter? Could they be mounted on the roof of a car and be equally effective? Are there rear-facing (red) foglamps to protect from cars behind? Thanks for taking the time to chat. II ask these questions out of curiosity, not to be contentious. If you are correct then it is no wonder that I notice no difference (as a driver) in visibility when I turn on the foglamps in the fog. Am I the only one who was so off base in my understanding of foglamps? I am really surprised that I was so off base.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Standard headlamps will be visible to others in a fog but I think the main motivation is to have a different color to indicate the source is a vehicle with fog lights as opposed to some other light source. Also, they are positioned low which is another cue that the source isn't, say, an amber traffic signal. Red (front or back) is out of the question because that's the color designated for brake lights. Also, as I mentioned before, the eye is somewhat less sensitive to red light than it is to yellow.

    To aid the driver, fog lights do have a very sharp cutoff helping somewhat to minimize the problem of backscatter but also helping to avoid disorientation.

    tidester, host
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