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Chevrolet Equinox

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  • joey2brixjoey2brix Posts: 464
    I've been saying for months this is GM's problem. They try to sell a car way over it's value, no one buys, then they have to have cash backs, etc.
    It's a nice mini-SUV but it's no way better then a CRV. How can it be worth 3-5K more? Zeen's right. When they first anounced the Nox over a year ago it was mentioned that it would base under 20K at around 18K. Now it starts at over 21K! You'll reallysee some depreciation if you buy at current prices.
  • larryt22larryt22 Posts: 125
    Zeen - The seat bottom of the rear seat does not fold. You just fold down the back of the rear seat. Unfortunately, the back is 3-4" higher than the rear floor, so you can't slide anything straight in without raising the part that goes over the seat. If that weren't bad enough, the back of the seat is not flat when it is is folded. You could not really lay anything on it as it would roll off. I think it is a mighty poor design and a real shortcoming when compared to the competition. The back floor was already small in comparison to the competition because of the wide housings to hold the portable table/cargo cover. So between the rear headrests being obnoxiously tall and not removable causing blind spots and the the seat not folding flat, this completely turned my wife off of considering the vehicle. By the way, she loves her new Highlander even though they really aren't in the same class and would be several grand more expensive for the same equipment.
  • zeenzeen Posts: 390
    You're right Joey. I will say however that the Nox felt much heavier and more substantial than the CRV. I'm not saying that's necessarily better but it does seem that way. It feels very solid.

    Thanks for the rear seat info Larry. I think the design flaw you mention is a result of the sliding rear seat set up. One has to weigh the advantage of the great legroom against the disadvantage of not having a flat deck.
      
    I have some work to do to convince my wife to consider the Highlander, but I'm trying. It's just a style issue.
  • joey2brixjoey2brix Posts: 464
    Sourced from a plant in China. GM's suppose to have started using a new manifold gasket that will cure the problem, but this has been an on going issue for over 20 years with the 60 degree V6. You're luck if you can wait a year maybe a better engine choice may turn up by then. The 3.5L in the Malibu is the same block and will probably be prone to the same issues.

    Zeen: The Nox is alot bigger then the CRV, on the outside, with little to no extra space on the inside. The 4 cyl Highlander's are heavily discounted now. I saw a base 6 cyl (all 6's get the 3rd row seat) for only 26K advertised, so it was probably only FWD. But I'm sure as summer approaches, more deals will be out there. Gas prices should scare SUV sales to a halt and then watch for the discounts.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    GM should copy the strategy Honda used for the Element: reverse sticker shock.

    Seriously, the 'nox came out priced higher than some forecasts. Buyers will just wait for the rebates, GM has not choice but to offer them.

    Look at the Element, sales were forecast at 40k/year. They sold something like 67k the first year and are on pace to double forecasts.

    Why? It's heavier and slower and smaller than the CR-V, and only seats 4, and you have to remove your seat belt to let someone sitting in the back seat out. Styling is unconventional. What's the secret for their success?

    PRICE.

    Element is significantly cheaper than the CR-V. Even with 16" rims standard.

    Honda has had to increase production twice, and it's selling at a brisk pace near double what they were prepared for.

    Honestly, do you think Equinox will sell at double the pace of sales forecasts before rebates arrive?

    Anyone want to take that bet? :o)

    -juice
  • joey2brixjoey2brix Posts: 464
    comes out and the Nox is rated only 3rd or 4th, the rebates will begin just like the Malibu. Juice is right. Look at the Kia Sorento. Most say the SUV is rough around the edges and also larger on the outside, but with an average interior and another underpowered V6. Kia priced it low and that brought in many sales. Not the greatest but a great value. We're still waiting for a great value from GM.
  • zeenzeen Posts: 390
    Juice and Joey, you're right. I firmly believed that these would sell very well. Perhaps for those buying rather than leasing they will, although the natural inclination is to look at the cost with options and see what else is out there in the same price range. Given the cheapie interior of the Nox, I'm not sure they will stick with the Chevy.

    For leases, people will see that a comparable Trailblazer is at least 10% less and other manufacturers like Ford, Chrysler and Mitsubishi are offering very attractive lease prices. One important variable on a lease is residual value. Using a low residual results in an expensive lease. GM did this with the Envoy/Trailblazer when they first came out and then, within about 3-4 months, raised the residuals and thus lowered the monthly payments. The big question is, as was asked above, will people pay a big premium to be the first on the block?
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Juice - You'd think would have learned from the launch of the Pacifica.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Exactly. A $35k crossover now selling for $27k. Residuals on those first few will be horrific, either F&I will take a bath or the owner will.

    Subaru is doing a 7 seat SUV/crossover and price is a major point of debate. Some people want it all: HIDs, Nav, side curtain air bags, XM/Sirius, OnStar, etc., but at what price? Some have it in Acura MDX/Lexus RX price territory.

    I'd rather see something sized/priced like the Pilot but sportier.

    -juice
  • mr_botsmr_bots Posts: 225
    I still don't see where people are getting that the Equinox is underpowered. 3.4L is a large engine for this class, it does only have 185hp, but with 210lb-ft of torque this should be a very capable performer. It won't be any vette, but it'll probably out run everything except the V6 Vue, and turbo charged Forrester, of course we can't be positive until it is compared to the competition.
  • rhouser2rhouser2 Posts: 114
    are not impressed at all. The main disappointments we have are the following:
      1. The center console is not very functional. A good place to rest you arm but not much for useable enclosed storage space.
      2. The Nox is only available with disc/drum brakes. I believe in this day and age that 4 wheel discs should be a no brainer.
      3.The rear hatch doesn't have a separate flip up glass window.
      4. A very poor attempt at a tilt steering column. It may be adjustable, but not by much.
      5.The rear seat was not as comfortable as I would have hoped. They skimped on padding.
      6. The center rear seating position does not have a head rest. A small one that can be raised to a useable position is needed.
    The Nox is a great looking car from the outside, but that's only a small consideration when we look for a vehicle. We are not ready to buy anything yet but the Nox is off our list at this point. What's really irritating is we have a GM Mastercard and an Olds customer loyalty rebate. The two together are worth at least $2500. I feel that neither of these will be redeemed anytime soon. Right now the SanaFe,CRV and 2005 Escape/Tribute come the closest to having what we feel are important features for our next auto. It's really sad that these vehicles have been out for several years and Chevy ignored the leaders of the pack when they designed the Nox.
    A sad day in Mudville!
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    Rhouser, most of your points against the Equinox are pretty minute details. I'm not sure you will fine many people who would notice those things let along not buy because of them.

    Ateixeira, Im not sure what the pricing is like down in the States, but up here it seems very competitive. Incentives are generally higher in the U.S. than here so maybe GM built in more room in the price down there?

    j30, The 3.4L is a decent mill. I know some people don't think it's good but over all it's pretty reliable and smoother than a 4 cyl. you will find in many of these little SUVs.
  • zeenzeen Posts: 390
    As you can see from my road test above, I felt that power was very adequate and torque in the mid range was quite impressive. I think power overall is quite good.

    As for the center console, I never really needed hidden storage so that's not a big deal for me. There are hidden CD slots and a deep well on the floor for junk. Most of the stuff in my present vehicles enclosed console is trash anyway.

    I agree that rear drums are inexcusable. They even look horrible through the nice alloy wheels.

    Tilt column doesn't adjust high enough. I have a separate glass on my hatch on my Envoy and I've used it about twice in 3 years. Not a big issue for me.

    Center rear seat headrest is not that important unless you drive 5 people around all the time. I found the rear seat fairly comfortable. As VW ads go, firmer seats are better for long trips.
     
    I would argue that the Nox is much more stylish than the Santa Fe or the CRV. I would not feel comfortable in either. Too feminine for me. The Sorrento may be the best looking of them all but Kia quality is way below anything American or Japanese.

    Escape/Tribute will be real competitors for the Nox and the 05 models have some upgrades that will attract buyers.

    Time will tell. It all boils down to pricing.
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    4 Wheel discs would be nice on the LT at least. Base model drums are fine.

    The new Escape is nice, saw it at the auto show. I'm still a little weary of Ford from our old Explorer but I would buy again.

    I agree with you on Korean quality. It's just not there and the re-sale and gas mileage is also bottom of the barrel.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I don't think it'll be underpowered, I'm just not a fan of the 3.4l after renting a couple of minivans with that engine.

    The Malibu's 3500 is night-and-day better. The Equinox get a 5 speed auto so perhaps that masks that a bit, I just think it deserves at least a better upgrade engine. At $28.5k (loaded) you expect better than 185hp.

    OTOH, base models are a much better value. $22k or so, right? If you buy based on size, especially wheelbase, it's an easier sell.

    -juice
  • zeenzeen Posts: 390
    I convinced my wife to look at the 05 Escape in addition to the Nox. She liked it a lot. It's a good $4,000 cheaper with comparable options. The new front and rear design is nice and the interior has been upgraded. While it's definitely more boxy than the Nox, it's decent looking and the interior uses better quality materials. If our shopping experience is any indication, Chevy better start offering deals on the Nox by late April when Ford dealers start pushing the '05 Escape. Right now, the '05's are hidden behind the showrooms while they unload the'04's.
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    New Escape is nice. No real incentives on either the Equinox or the 05 Escape yet but I would not be surprised to see them soon given every other small SUV seems to have some degree of incentives. I checked a local Toronto dealer web page and Equinox has no cash back and 0/2.9/3.9% for 36/48/60 mo. That's it!
  • zeenzeen Posts: 390
    The 05 Escape drove as well as or better than the Nox. Very smooth, solid and nimble and more powerful with the 24V 200hp Duratec. Rear seat was more comfortable although legroom wasn't as good. Interior materials look better and the leather seems to be of a higher quality. Overall, Nox wins on looks though and that counts an awful lot. We're waiting until early May in hopes that incentives will kick in on both vehicles and then we'll decide.
  • joey2brixjoey2brix Posts: 464
    I think Ford can crank out more Escapes then Nox's which should allow for more selection and bigger discounts. With the Freestyle comming online in the fall there should be enough inventory to offer some great deals to move inventory.
  • bwolfebwolfe Posts: 4
    Just saw it today. You see a vehicle with a gray/silver sheet covering it. You hear someone announce the Chevrolet Equinox, then wind blows the sheet up and you get a quick look at a silver NOX!
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