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Forester Turbo in 1 year

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    No, I think Brian from our Subaru Crew went and took some more photos, including some close ups.

    From those, we were able to conclude that the redline is 6500 (higher than the SOHC 2.5l), the sway bars are the same, the exhaust looks different, etc.

    Check under Owners Clubs, then Subaru Crew. Those are very active, fun topics. In fact we host a chat every week - tonight at 9pm EST.

    -juice
  • Nice pics! I can't wait to check it out tomorrow.
    -Bob
  • OK. Checked out the new Forester XT at the Chicago Auto Show yesterday, and I'll admit I'm impressed! Very nice looking Subie. The model in black actually had green-flecked metallic paint, but I really like the mono-silver. When I heard about the all black leather interior, I was a bit apprehensive, but after sitting in it, I actually like the black. The roof rails come in a natural aluminum finish, and it looks like it will have fittings for eight speakers, plus a sub-woofer under the seat. The engine was fascinating to check out. The rep I spoke to said that they should be arriving in showrooms in April 2003, and will probably start around $27K. Unless it doesn't drive as well as I anticipate, I'll be picking one up later this year.
    -Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Glad to hear you liked the new interior color scheme. I do like the two-tone gray/black on that interior, doesn't look as "Goth" as an all-black interior.

    -juice
  • OK, all you speed demons that want the Turbo, I can understand that. But why in the world won't Subaru let you have leather without an automatic transmission???? That, plus the price (Subarus used to be cheap!), put me off the car. And, I will never forget the day I tore the oil filter and its threads off the bottom of my 99 Forester, requiring a bottom-half engine rebuild, at 9,000 miles. Ground clearance? Ha!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Jettas can get up there in price, too. A GLX VR6 wagon starts at $27 grand, with no AWD to be found. Plus less power, less torque, less space.

    Whatever rock or obstacle you hit would've ruined the front end of that Jetta too, maybe worse.

    -juice
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    Then VW made the conscious decision to go upmarket. All the additional leather, soundproofing materials and chrome around the gearshift haven't been accompanied by an improvement in build quality, long-term reliability and maintenance costs, IMO.

    Speaking as someone who's owned both a Jetta and a Forester, I know which one I'd buy again.

    Ed
  • Check out subaru.ca and follow the links for the xt micro site. Pretty cool but could use more detail and Pricing!
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    The Forester turbo will certainly be on my list of vehicles to check out, along with the WRX wagon of course. Curious if anybody else will be cross-shopping these two Soobie products...

    -B
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Lots of people will. I believe that at least 4 current Forester owners have been eye-balling the WRX wagon, and hoping for a turbo Forester: Frank, Ken, Ed, and myself.

    In the end, I think the Forester will appeal to the more practical/family buyers, while the WRX will sell to younger singles.

    -juice
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    My GF's jaw dropped when I mentioned a Forester, tehe. Just have to test drive and also see how the Forester turbo is going to be priced. A few thousand dollars might be able to make me look the other way.

    Of course over the life of the vehicle, I bet the Forester would have lower insurance rates, and a lot less stoplight challenges, although the WRX wagon is a bit better than the sedan in both respects.

    Hmmmm...

    -B
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Right now even Premium automatics with leather are only around $24k street price, that seems very cheap for the equipment level. My guess is the turbo will settle into the $24-26k street price range after initial demand subsides.

    -juice
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    Roughly three grand more versus a WRX wagon. Hmmm...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You'll get a lot of that back, I imagine resale on the bigger Forester will be better as a % of what you pay at first. Why? Because the SUV class has better resale, and WRXs get abused more and a future buyer knows that.

    Plus you get twice the useful cargo space and a lot more torque at a more accessible rpm.

    -juice
  • Are there any epa figures for the new model? Can you sunroof and 5 speed? For we snowshoers or skiers, what about room for chains?

    Doug
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    No EPA figures yet. My guess is 20/25, with premium recommended but not required. Just a guess.

    No moonroof with the 5 speed at first.

    Tires are the same as the XS, so clearance is tight. You might have to go with Z-chains, meant for low-profile applications.

    -juice
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    No moonroof with the 5 speed eh? Bah! Drove around ina 5 speed Forester over the weekend, loved the low-end torque. Hopefully the 2.5L turbo will keep the same power down low, and then have even more up top. Certainly on the list of vehicles now. Want and manual and sun roof!

    -B
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Lots of us do. Listen up, SoA!

    -juice
  • Based on stuff missing from 2000 Outback (I think some things have been added subsequently) -
    comfortable seats, better odometer, map pockets in back of front seats, smoother stick shift, remote that opens and closes doors better, seat belts that retract, wheel wells / tires that take chains. For turbo cars, run on regular fuel, sunroof & stick combo. Most of this should be simple SOA, since you do so many things right.
  • corkfishcorkfish Posts: 537
    I'm still a little disppointed that Subaru may not keep the weight down. It sounds like the Turbo Forester will have pretty much the same power to weight ratio as the PT Cruiser Turbo.
  • allhorizonallhorizon Posts: 483
    ... the 0-60 numbers we have heard are 1-1.5s faster than the turbo PT Cruiser (6.1 vs. low 7s to 7.5).

    And last I heard the PT Cruiser did not have AWD (and, I believe, has no independent rear suspension).

    I don't think too many people will cross-shop these, but perhaps I am wrong.

    - D
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep Doug, some things like those map pockets have already been added, in fact I think the Forester XS already has them too.

    Hmm, I haven't considered the PT Turbo as a potential competitor. Guess so, at least outside the snow belt.

    The PT is too trendy for me, more of a boutique car, I dunno.

    -juice
  • corkfishcorkfish Posts: 537
    Oh I wouldn't buy a PT Cruiser under any circumstances. I'm just trying to get a feel for the performance of the Turbo Forester and the Cruiser looks like it's torque, weight, and horsepower ratings are almost identical to the Forester (215 horse and 245 pounds in a 3200 pound vehicle). I'm surprised that the Forester would offer that much more performance.
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    Has something to do with the acceleration potential. If the WRX were FWD, it would probably get to 60 mph in 6.5 seconds versus the 5.7 or so you see listed in automags.

    -B
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Shorter gearing too, probably?

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    you have four tires grabbing for traction, not just two.

    Bob
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    AWD definetly helps 0-60 numbers. The rolling starts (5-60) numbers on the WRX are considerably higher than with a FWD vehicle.

    Ken
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    burning rubber when you have 4 tires scratching for traction.

    Bob
  • damax07damax07 Posts: 32
    Just got of the phone with Subaru Customer Service Department. I was told that in late April Subaru dealership will start taking orders for the 2.5 Forester XT for June/July delivery.
    This would right on time for me as we need a second vehicle.

    Damax07
  • I am considering the purchase of my first Subaru. I would appreciate opinions on which vehicle you would want on a cross country trip with som offroading to scenic sites.
    The choices would be:
    Impezza WRX wagon,
    outback wagon,
    forester xs or xt.

    Thanks for any input.
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