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Chevy Malibu Maxx

revkarevka Posts: 1,750
to discuss the Chevy Malibu Maxx. To start, here's some news from Edmunds' News Headlines. If you come across any more news on this upcoming wagon, please post it here. Thanks for your participation! ;-)

Revka

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  • mitzijmitzij Posts: 612
    When a car is sold, the dealer has to report it to GM, entering VIN, date, mileage, that sort of thing. It goes to a database that is accessible by other GM dealers via a website. It looks like your dealer entered '100' as mileage when sold. If I were you, I'd look to get this corrected. I'm not sure how, though. If your deal paperwork shows mileage, that'll help. I'd try aggravating the dealer first.

    p.s. if you got a nice discount due to the 'high' miles when you bought the car, you might not want to stir the pot! ;)
  • e2helpere2helper Posts: 1,002
    Gee, I don't know if you needed to post it 3x :P

    Top speed is dependant upon tires usually especially in the case of the Malibu Maxx SS.

    So if you know what type of tires are on your vehicle we might be able to answer question. There are 2 different types of tires available. Both tire sizes are P225/50R-18 so you need to look at the brand and style. The standard tire is Goodyear Eagle LS-2 M+S all season with top speed limited to 115 or 118 MPH. I think the other tire is Bridgestone Potenza which is a high performance tire for summer only. I know that Malibu Maxx SS with that tire has a higher top speed limit but I don't know what it is - someone else might though.

    I drove an Malibu SS with the Potenza tires for a week a few months ago when we had a little ice/snow and I can confirm that it is a tire better suited for summer :D

    By the way Feb 2006 C/D mag has review on Malibu Maxx SS.
  • there is a 05 base model maxx on a used car lot here in Detroit area. They are asking just over 12k, and you know you could get them to go lower. There are no options on this vehicle to speak of.
  • mr_botsmr_bots Posts: 225
    No, it won't run on E85. It's getting the LZ4, the non flex-fuel version.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    The Malibu Maxx shares its architecture with the Vectra-based, Opel Signum in Europe. I imagine the final product will have the Chevy chrome strip grill but will retain much of the styling and proportions of this car. It should be nice, and is certainly innovative.


    http://www.cardesignnews.com/news/2002/020821opel-signum/index.html


    In addition to the Maxx, the British magazine CAR has a small article on the Vectra wagon, which uses the stretched Signum/Maxx wheelbase, and provides a traditional wagon overhang. It will rival Volvo's for spaciousness.


    Any interest in a large Malibu wagon?

  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Look pretty sharp, imo. Also, the rear seating system sounds interesting. ;-)


    Revka

    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host

  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Edmunds' now has information on the 2004 Chevrolet Malibu Midsize Wagon in their Future Vehicles Section. Hope you enjoy! Let us know what you think....


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    Thanks for your comments!


    Revka

    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    While I do like some details, it lacks a 3rd side window and a D-pillar, so it's more LWB hatchback than wagon.

    Imagine a stretch limo version of the old Honda Civic.

    Also, there appears to be zero cargo space. The rear headrest almost touches the back window.

    The Opel front looks like Mercury's Mountaineer. Styling overall is OK, but the huge blind spot and lack of cargo space would nix it from my list right off the bat.

    -juice
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    The Maxx/Signum is made with a certain buyer in mind. And I think I am one of them.

    I am married, no kids. My wife and I like to go out with friends. I frequently drive with clients on business. I live in Chicago where parking space is a precious commodity. When I travel long distance, I fly. On the weekends I like to put my bike in the car and drive to one of the many outlying bike paths. My bike cost almost two grand, so I like to keep it in the car, not on a rack exposed to flying debris.

    The Maxx provides exceptional space for four adults without having too large a parking footprint. As Odman's link points out, the rear seats will fold flat, meaning plenty of room for me to lay my bicycle in the back (or haul a good sized piece of furniture, etc.).

    With the large rear window and side mirrors, I fail to see a problem with visibility. I already own a car with the ecotec engine, and would not hesitate to buy a Maxx with one.

    Far from being a stretch Civic, I see the Maxx as a good mix of SUV and sedan. Plenty of SUV like passenger comfort and storage flexibility. Sedan like size and economy.

    I understand GM hopes to sell about 70k Maxxs per anum. I think there are 70k people like me out there.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The visibility issue I mentioned was with the very thick C-pillar. It would leave a blind spot.

    Guess I'd have to get in one to be sure.

    -juice
  • wgrwgr Posts: 127
    Has anyone seen or heard of the price range for the Maxx ?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    At one point Lutz said those cars might hit the $30k price range, though he specifically mentioned the Grand Am.

    I think he's smoking some good stuff! ;-)

    -juice
  • cb70cb70 Posts: 226
    Where's my Mazda 6 Wagon or turbo Forester already?!!
  • My impression is - the $30K price range is for the Saab versions of the Epsilon, not the Malibu. I think I read somewhere that the Malibu will undercut similar Camry/Accords in price, so more like $18-24K.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm sure that is more realistic. But Bob did mention the Grand Am could eventually compete in that price range. It was from an Automotive News article.

    -juice
  • nematodenematode Posts: 448
    First, you heard it here first: The Maxx will be a total failure along the lines of the Aztek IF it looks like the picture above and comes in at more than $18k FULLY loaded with every option. Second, I'm a wagon lover and thats not a wagon. Its like the ugly older brother of the Mazda Protege based P5. The front facia of a mid 90s Maxima glued to a Civic. I dont like it. I dont like it. I dont like it. I dont like it. I dont like it. I dont like it. I dont like it.

    Looks aside, as they are totally subjective, it better come in at closer to the $15-18k range if it wants to have a prayer of getting a foothold. Why on earth would you select that over the Subaru Legacy L wagon on the low end which you can have for $19k or even better the GT wagon for $24k nicely loaded?????? OR if you like that look you could just get the Mazda P5, Matrix/Vibe, or other little wagon clone.

    I would not produce that car. There is no reason to select it over a variety of BETTER options. Just different is not better. Only better is better. The Maxx is not better.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    You seem to be confused about several issues.

    First, this is not the Malibu wagon. GM is discussing a possible wagon. This is a mid-size hatch designed for maximum -- thus the name -- interior space.

    Second, note I said mid-size. The other cars you describe are compact. This is a car that will compare in size, weight, and features not to the cars you list, but to the CamCords, Mazda6, Passat and Taurus. All these cars are priced well above the range you feel the Maxx should come in.

    The idea behind the Maxx is to provide a comfortable environment for car buyers who want a car designed not for young families or carrying a lot of cargo, but for carrying several adults comfortably. In other words, a car alternative to a Grand Cherokee.

    Of the alternatives you list, maybe the Matrix/Vibe can fit four adults comfortably, but that whiney little engine and the compact car suspension sure would make all but the shortest trips a chore for people in the back.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Good points. Also, regarding the Maxx classification: seems we've had similar confusion with a number of other wagons/hatches (i.e. Protege5, PT Cruiser, Matrix/Vibe) that have hit the market. I also recall reading another article which mentioned that Chevy was referring to it as an "extended sedan," because of the stigma behind owning a hatch or a wagon. ;-)

    Of course the ultimate test will be to see how the NHTSA classifies it. We could eventually link this discussion up to the Hatchbacks board if it becomes a real issue. Talk later.

    Revka

    Hatchbacks & Wagons Host
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Thanks.

    Perhaps I am reading too much into the design concept, but I think what GM actually is attempting to mimic some popular SUV features in a sedan-like vehicle.

    The point has been made many times here that most people who buy SUVs do not drive them off road and do not carry loads of plywood around. What they really want is a vehicle that allows them to sit higher off the ground with plenty of leg room.

    By pushing the wheels out further than in the sedan and moving the rear seat back, the Maxx will really be comfortable for every one.

    It is hard to categorize. It is bigger, and should be nicer than the typical hatch, does not offer the same cargo eating features as a wagon, and is more sedan-like inside than most of the current cross overs.

    Manufacturing flexibility is finally reaching the point where we observers cannot keep up with category naming.
  • nematodenematode Posts: 448
    Oh, I'm usually confused BUT:
    1) MOST small cars (Protege, Civic, Vibe, or whatever) can carry 4 adults just fine AND carry cargo. If you put 4 people in the Maxx there is no cargo space. Not even for 4 sets of golf clubs. The rear seats are basically in the trunk to give the illusion of having a bigger car. Thats fine but then you have no trunk.
    2) If you want a mid sized car, and the car in the picture is bigger than it actually appears, then you can just get one. Camry, Impala, Accord, Legacy, or whatever. There are plenty of mid sized cars that can carry 4 people with room to spare.

    3) The price is just too high. Well equipped Accords, Camrys, and even the new 6 run about $20k. To under cut that popular segment then you need to come in at between $15-18k MAX.

    In this case I think that GM is confused more than I am. There is no market for a mid sized car with a small trunk, questionable sytle, and price tag that competes with established cars.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    Well, I am not sure why a new GM the same size as the new CamCords would have to undercut them in price. More than likely, the GM will come with friendlier loan terms than the CamCords, and probably the same as the 6. I do not understand at all why you think the Malibu and the Maxx need be less expensive than their competitors.

    The Maxx will have better rear seat space than the Camcords and 6, and much better than the econoboxes you site. It will also have a midsize ride and handling, again, much better than the econoboxes.

    I have a mid-size sedan and do not use the trunk for much of anything. When I do need storage space, it is to carry large items, such as my bike (which will never go on a rack outside of the car) or when I bring large ticket items home from the store.

    The Maxx with its hatch back and fold down seats will accomodate such things far easier than a mid-size sedan and than an econobox.

    When I look at the interior of the Maxx, I see GM taking the interior of an SUV and putting it into a safer, more practical, economical, and better driving sedan. So many people are saying this country should get away from SUVs. I expect some SUV people will look at alternatives. I doubt many will want to go from a Trailblazer to a Vibe though. The Maxx may be more to their liking.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Here's a little more news from Edmunds' Headlines section: Chevy Confirms Malibu Maxx.

     

    Revka

    Hatchbacks & Wagons
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    And I see where Edmunds highlights exactly why I am interested in the Maxx.

    It can act like a Sedan when I want to take colleagues or friends around. And it can act like an SUV when I want to go camping and biking.

    Plus, it has the advantage of mid-size sedan ride and handling and mpg.
  • This looks like a GM attempt at selling a European car in the US.

    There are many vehicles of that design here. See the Renault Megane, Peugot 307, Honda Jazz, Fiat Multipla, Audi A2, Benz A-Class, etc.

    They are designed to have 4+ seats and a little cargo room. It is the perfect alternative to the minivan for small families. The seating is upright, visibility is pretty good (you can see over the small hatches). Entry is much easier than hatches of old, you don't have to step down.

    The success in europe is because of the increase in space and visibility over a small hatch, minivans are too big and expensive, wagons are too long.

    I think it's going to be a hard sell in North America.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    I think a limited edition might work.

    I was a passenger in a few Multipla taxis in Rome recently, and really liked the lay out.

    A mini-van and a wagon are not quite what I want. A sedan based vehicle will get much better mileage than an SUV.

    Most people will opt for the mini-van or wagon. But 70 or so thousand many urban people might see the Maxx as a good alternative.
  • Nematode - I don't quite understand your logic. You do realize this car is much bigger than a Matrix/Vibe, Pro5, etc..? It's sort of like saying - "well, a Corolla and a Camry both look alike, so I can't understand why Toyota needs to build both".

    As for the lack of trunk space, it is my understanding that the rear seat will be adjustable fore/aft, like a minivan, so you can either have maximum legroom or maximum trunk room.
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,340
    harry: I am amazed that anyone would pay 30K for a Pacifica; yes, it is yet another beautiful vehicle by Chrysler, but is probably another venus fly trap as well. One of the problems with me keeping my car 10 years, and factoring in that there are few cars on the market that I fit it, is that when the right thing comes along I have to grab it. That was the case with the Vibe, and it will likely be the case with the Maxx. My 13 year old Corolla was on its last legs when the Vibe came along, and after only 7 years my Ford 626 is beginning to push up dasies. I also have a strong moral streak which forbids me from selling my car when there is a mechanical problem with it. Since there are several with my 626, I will donate it and take the tax write off. I have no doubt that I will buy an extended warranty with my Maxx. I am however, contemplating NOT getting one for my Vibe since it is a Corolla aferall. If there is to be two "GMs" in my driveway, I'd best apply the warranty money towards the Maxx, don't you think?
  • nematodenematode Posts: 448
    Looks are only part of it. The Corolla and Camry are both leaders in their field. Honda competes with the Civic and Accord which are not only different but better in some aspects. If you want small you can go with the Corolla/Matrix and so on. If you want larger you can go Camry or one of the mini-SUVs or Subaru wagons and so on. So two questions:
    1) What does the Maxx do differently?
    2) What does the Maxx do better?
    3) Is the Maxx priced low enough to attract people?

    1) The Maxx does not have what most people would call classic good looks. It does have a sliding second seat with allow you to increase or decrease trunk space or leg room as needed. That attractive but not enough to get more than a tiny niche market to buy it. You cannot slide seats but you can fold or remove seats in most minivans, fold in wagons, fold and slide in small SUVs.
    2) Its different but not really better. Its good to have options. The Mazda 6 and Camry are different and thats good enough. Will being different be good enough to get people to buy the Maxx. My prediction is no.
    3) It needs to be priced really low to attract people. The price can only go higher if there is a market. The Aztek may not have failed if it was priced between $18-22k loaded where it should have been.
  • Are you opposed to the concept, or just the fact that it's a GM car?

    In other words, if Toyota came out with a larger Camry-based Matrix/Vibe type "tall wagon", would that be a good idea?

    Is a Matrix/Vibe 'different but not really better' than a Corolla?

    Would a larger Camry-based "tall wagon" be 'different but not better' than a Camry?

    I think the concept of a 'larger than Matrix/Vibe' 'tall wagon' is certainly viable. Maybe the Maxx won't be successful due to the "baggage" of the Chevrolet and Malibu name, but I think there is a niche in the market for this type of vehicle.

    Would you expect to pay more for the "tall wagon" version or the sedan version of the Camry?
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