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'98 Intrepid starting to use oil already

bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
edited March 10 in Dodge
I just noticed our Intrepid (2.7 litre engine) has started using oil at 63K miles. I'm ruling out the types and brands of oil and oil filters I've used as causing the problem. I've never gone more than 3K miles on dino, or 6K synthetic for oil change intervals, and I've always used either Puralator PureOne or Mobil 1 filters. This leads me to believe the problem is caused either by the K&N air filter, or by DC themselves. I've learned since my purchase of the K&N, that they don't filter as well as OEM filters. I'm wondering if the filter has caused this problem, or is this engine just one more poorly built product by DC? They've had so many over the years, it wouldn't surprise me. Are any of you folks having oil consumption problems with your Intrepids?
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  • I dipped the stick on our 1996 Concorde the other day, with near 3K on the oil and filter. It showed almost a quart low on the 6 quart crankcase. It's a 3.5L V6 with only 23+K miles on it (Granny's car). I'm a bit puzzled. I don't recall ever having to top it up ever before.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    Nobody else is having this problem? I guess I got a Monday car.
  • vidtechvidtech Posts: 212
    what is your oil consumption?
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,589
    ...my '00 Intrepid now has about 74,000 miles on it, and the only time it ever came up really low was one time the drain plug came loose. It was about a quart low, and thankfully I caught it in time. I think the only other time I had to add oil, the most I've ever had to add is maybe 1/2 a quart.

    How much oil are you using? I've heard that it's not uncommon for some engines to use up to 1 quart of oil every 1000 miles and it's considered "normal". Only time I've ever had a car use that much oil though, was when it was leaking somewhere!
  • zueslewiszueslewis Posts: 2,353
    work MUCH better than OEM - filtration and flow.

    What's your consumption rate? 2.7s have had crank sensor seal and cam seal issues - look there first.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    ......about a week ago while I was at the gas station for a fill up. The car has never used a drop between changes (even using 6K change intervals with synthetic). Now all of a sudden, it's a quart low. Hard to tell what the consumption rate is, but now I'll be keeping a closer eye on things.

    zueslewis - I don't think you'll get any arguments in here about the K&N outflowing OEM filters, but I think you'll get plenty of arguments about whether it filters as well. In fact, I think the general consensus is that it doesn't filter as well as OEM filters.
  • zueslewiszueslewis Posts: 2,353
    I've run dyno tests when I was with Super Shops that proved superior filtration (micron testing equipment in place).

    I was in San Bernardino, CA when several performance companies leased a dyno house to run proving tests - I was really happy to be around all that.
  • My '98 Intrepid had the engine drop out at 111,000 km. It needs a new block or replace with a used engine. Either way cost of parts and labour is $6000. I'm exploring my options and from what I've found out so far this engine has major problems and they are starting to drop like flies. I'm hoping Chrylser will put things right for me, or it will be the last one I buy and I'll go on an anti-Chrysler campaign with anyone I talk to. Are you listening Chrysler?
  • zueslewiszueslewis Posts: 2,353
    as a former DCC service manager, I (under the table) recommended that option to folks who were out of warranty and very often DCC would step up and replace and engine or transmission with the owner paying a deductible. It's certainly worth a call.
  • i had a 99 dodge intrepid that i traded in yesterday for a 2002 nissan altima. unfortunately i only got 1600$ for my trade cuz my engine failed after only 66k miles. from what i understand, the 2.7 gets really hot and burns oil inside the engine. alot of people have had problems with the engine "sludging up". chrysler knows that it is a problem, but if you cannot provide proof of oil changes every 3,000 miles they wont do anything for you - by the way, the oil changes must have been done at the dealer!!! my trep has been in the shop more in the last 6 months than imaginable. June- AC recharge 80$, July- engine fan motor replacement 350$, August- AC recharge w/ dye 120$, September- Cam and crank position sensors 400$, October- drivers window fell down into door needed to be completely replaced 200$, December 28th vehicle picked up after AC compressor replacement 680$, December 29th engine failure 5700$ estimate, January 6th- Nissan Altima! I called chrysler twice and their response was " there's nothing we can do because of the vehicles mileage, these things happen." yeah whatever, if a dodge were on fire, i wouldn't spit on it to put it out.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,028
    .....is people continue to buy DC products. It'll be a cold day in he11 before I buy another one. They make some nice looking vehicles, but until they start building cars that'll hold up like the imports, I'm not touching them.
  • swschradswschrad Posts: 2,171
    because if you need 'em to prove a point, and you don't have 'em, you have to go through a lot of hoorah in real court to subpoena the maintenance records from the dealer. assuming they didn't decide when you filed the case that it was time to purge the creepy old crap off the computer.... remember, it ain't illegal if they shred before they are ordered not to. immoral, communistic, and spawned by the devil maybe, but you have to prove your own case.

    as for DC customer dissatisfaction, eventually it will bite them. HOW eventually depends on whether they are paying attention to customer complaints and warranty requests and media attention. if they are, they will change. if they aren't, they will drive toyotas to the unemployment line and wonder why.
  • I have never met with the resistance from CHRYSLER people that is reported here. Those of you with recent experiences-- would you characterize the refractory attitudes as products of the merger with Daimler? Over a period of three decades, my overall assessment is that I have gotten along BETTER with Chrysler than with either of the other two of the Big Three. I am finding evidence favoring Ford Corporation to be mounting and moving up in my overall estimation. These are important considerations for us to look over, before each of us next wanders into the market place to buy our next vehicle.
  • zueslewiszueslewis Posts: 2,353
    it during the transition.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,589
    Well, because some people still have good luck with them! I've got about 74,500 miles on my '00 Trep now, with the 2.7 V-6, and haven't had any major problems yet. I change the oil myself, so I know what's going into it, and see what the old oil looks like as it's coming out. I also check the dipstick regularly to make sure it doesn't get low, and I have the tranny serviced every 30,000 miles.

    If I had bad luck with Chryslers, trust me, I wouldn't keep buying them!
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,589
    ...I don't know if it's been good for Chrysler or not. When I was at the auto show the other week, the build quality on most of the Chrysler products there looked like it's actually slipped a bit, compared to my Intrepid. They were still noticeably better than the Ford and especially GM products, but it seems Chrysler always has problems getting their doors to line up correctly.
  • c01c01 Posts: 28
    Because they are first timers and have not experienced the "Chrysler" experience, or they are zealots that are deaf dumb and blind to the "Chrysler " quality problems ie the "Bush" factor.
    Pmack: Congrats on your decision to go with the Altima--excellent auto and in five years it will be worth much more than a lowly decrepit of the same age.
    Dutchboy ditch that thing--and remember to tell everyone you can about your experience with the Decrepit. A good place to pass along the info is in the Intrepit topic in sedans, although it might be inactive, I haven't checked for some time. In the past a few Chrysler Huggers posted in that forum.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,589
    ...the only Chrysler product I had that had any major problems was an '88 LeBaron, but it was my ex-wife's and had over 100,000 miles on it by that time. In constrast, my Mom & stepdad had a '91 Stanza that needed major work by around 90,000 miles, and their '99 Altima crapped its tranny at 35,000 miles.

    Oh, and my roommate's grandmother has a 2001 Altima with a problem that I thought the manufacturers cleared up decades ago...water leaks!

    But, through all that, I don't go around bad-mouthing the Altima and calling all of them crap, or people who buy them stupid.

    Trust me, if my Intrepid was a POS, I'd unload it.
  • tbonertboner Posts: 402
    How DC's quality issues are the fault of the Bush administration as alluded to by message #18.

    I personally think free markets are the best thing to ultimately produce the best vehicles, not protectionist policies.

    TB
    I've owned three pre-DC Mopar's.
  • Problems with the pre Daimler offering from Chrysler are as common as American apple pie. The post Daimler offering has been improving although the Intrepid cannot be salvaged. The name will be retired and for a large group of previous owners its good riddance.
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