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Scion xB - Hip to be square



  • Last time I checked, the xB wasn't an SUV.
  • The xB is pure Japanese. The Liberty and Xterra were made with Americans in mind. Personally, thats what I like about it. Small American SUVs are pretty large really, and they will get bigger every year.
  • Then I figured that the price would be more than I wanted to pay. Toyota's good enough to get whatever price they want out of a vehicle.

    As for truly Japanese freak show toy type cars now available in the US, the Suzuki Aerio SX fits the bill. It's not a box, but it's tiny and tall.

    I am not part of the Gen-Y target market. I wanted a small wagon with flat storage space with the seats folded down and adequate cargo room with the seats up. The Suzuki met my needs.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    Can Toyota pull Scion off with these prices? I'd say the can, especially given that all that equipment is standard, unlike the ECHO. There shouldn't be any option games since everything beyond standard is factory installed...right? Sign me up for an xA!
  • Garn! I'd definitely take my $16+K and buy a DODGE NEON R/T with 150 hp, dual exhaust, rear spoiler, tint, sideskirts, great suspension...

    this car is crap. and for $20K, go buy a Dodge SRT-4. 0-60 in 5.6-5.9 seconds...yes, it can actually beat a 350Z, according to some tests.

    I don't want to drive in a box like this. I'd rather buy a Cruiser...150 hp, RELIABLE, and good-looking....indeed, beautiful on the inside. And I am 16.5 years or age. Toyota's only gotten me to hate them, not to love them. I am NOT "getting the feeling."
  • a_l_hubcapsa_l_hubcaps Posts: 518

    Okay, so maybe the Scions aren't the cars for you, but I venture that you may be missing their point. Cross-shopping a Scion with a Neon SRT-4 is not realistic; for one thing, there is a $6000 price difference.

    Also, I don't think the Scions are meant to be rubber-burning performance cars. 108 hp sounds wimpy, but remember that these cars are smaller than the Toyota Echo. They are not going to be outrunning any 350Z's, but I'm sure the power is adequate for their size.

    Unless we have a severe fuel shortage, I don't think I'd look at a Scion either...they seem a little too small and not rugged enough for my needs. The Element and Aztek are closer to what I want, as far as oddball utility vehicles go. But I do recognize that from an objective standpoint the Scions will probably be a great deal for the money.

    -Andrew L
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    The engine to be used in the Scions will be the same as the ECHO. I haven't heard a bad thing about that engine in reliability nor power. However, it may be less potent in the xB. It should fair fine in the xA.
  • Yes. of course I shouldn't compare the xB or the xA to the SRT-4, which costs nearly $20K...but remember, there is really only a $4000 price gap, not $6000, unless the dealers cheat you, which some will do until enought SRT-4's have been made.

    Well, I mentioned the SRT because people were saying that the Scions were designed with the intention that customers could easily modify them afterwards. A few upgrades and improvements and you can easily spend the $20K on a Scion...or you could buy an SRT-4, with over twice the hp.

    but okay, even forgetting the srt, the Neon R/T could be had for $16K. even if it lists higher, Chrysler dealers are always giving rebates---which isn't mentioned in all the online price charts.

    and yes, even if you bar regular small cars and say you want a "microbus," you could still buy the HOnda Element, which, quirky though it is, still seems more appealing and useful to me than the xB. And the xA...I'd save my money to buy a Matrix. Or the PT....

    Just my 2 cents...
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    The xB lists for $13,500, the SRT4 lists for $20,000. That's a $6,500 difference, but anyway, people are not going to cross shop the xB and the SRT4. However, a lot of people will not buy a Neon because of their unreliable reputation.

    The Element may start at $16,100, but that doesn't include A/C or a radio of any kind. The PT Cruiser is a good car, but also starts at $3000. So both are around $3000 more dollars than a xB

    You have to realize that the xB is not intended to be a performance car. In Japan they are insanely popular because they are stylish, roomy, reliable, gas efficient and inexpensive. And the opportunities for customization are out of this world. You can't go a full day without seeing an xB on 18" chrome wheels, and a club style laser light show going on inside.

    It's a dress up car, not a performer. But I have to admit, I didn't learn to appreciate that type of car until I had lived in Japan a while.
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  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Posts: 932
    Edmunds gives the two Scion vehicles, the xA and xB, very favorable reviews. It also gives the whole Scion concept a thumbs up!

    "One thing is certain, Scion is the real deal and, based on product alone, it should be a runaway success. Scion cars will go on sale June of 2003."

    Read it here: .html?*
  • I lived in Japan for a while, I never loved the Scion. You have so many other cars that are a better deal than the Scion. For around the same price as a base Scion, you could get a more powerful Nissan Sentra or Hyundai Elantra, change the stereo (and get A/C for the Sentra), and still be able to beat a modified Scion at a stop light. (I'm going by HP here, correct me if I'm wrong). Scion should have a "Runaway" success.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    Actually, I think the price is very competitive.
    The Sentra and the Elantra are two of the blandest cars available. And if either car is faster, it's marginal - not that it is the point of any of those cars. I'd rather take the Scion's engine, which has reasonable torque and outstanding gas mileage.

    But I think the point of the Scion is the unique look. If you don't like it, don't bother, if you do, it's the only game in town.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Hi Folks- Check out Edmunds' First Drive of the 2004 Scion xA and XB and let us know what you think! Thanks for your comments. ;-)

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  • dsantiagodsantiago Posts: 13
    As a 25 year old, I am tired of corporate america trying to pry into our wallets with shallow schemes like this scion crap! I like the Xb and Xa alot, but I feel the creation of this brand is a crap because its supposed to grab kids that aren't into brands that have mass appeal....WHAT!!!

    let's see: WRX, Lancer Evo, supra, celica, prelude, BMW3, Mazda protege, p5, M6, any german roadster, civic, accord (yes even accords)the matrix and corolla...I'll stop now the list is long....

    in all honestly this brand was created because of the pricing of this vehicle. Just as VW's prices will be going up thanks to the W8 and whatever else they got cooking, or as Hyundai wil have to do if their reliabilty holds water, the lowering of prices negatively affects the brand image.

    Also I believe that with all its options, these two newcomers will find themselves among the list of "cars stolen and stripped" very quicly. Its just too tempting to do it to a car with "disco lights" on the inside.

    Its a shame that all these companies are trying to keep it real when keeping it real requires no effort or intent....

    just my 2 centz
  • dsantiagodsantiago Posts: 13
    Read the "first drive" article. It explains the brand, the strategy the brand will use to sell its product, and the image the brand hopes to portray.

    Scion is not a brand aiming for older drivers, it is specifically aiming at younger ones, hoping that a hopped up echo will attract their target market.
  • True, Scion may have the most unique look and it may be gas-efficent, but I also think that teens like me care about performance. Wouldn't it hurt a teen's pride if a friend's parents' Odyssey beat his Scion at a stoplight? He would probably be jealous too that his Scion is just an econobox and can't be used to go offroad like his friend's Element.

    Then again, it does depend on what you value most in a car, but I wouldn't be expecting to see very many Generation-Y ers buying a Scion.
  • muffin_manmuffin_man Posts: 865
    You have a point, but at the same time, think about how many fixed up cars you see that are all show and no go? You put 18 inch wheels and a supercharger on a Civic DX and you've shelled out a lot of money and can still barely beat that Odyssey. Yet it happens all the time.

    A lot of people (kids included) buy cars for looks. Maybe the bX can be one of those cars. (or maybe not)

    But I think it will sell, because if nothing else, it is unique. And it's nice to finally see some cars with personality.
  • kroliphkroliph Posts: 75
    I think that the xB is a very interesting vehicle. It certainly comes w/ allot of standard options for a reasonable price. Would it have killed Toyota to offer the Corolla's 1.8 L instead of the 1.5 L from the Echo??? I think that the extra hp and torque from 1.8 L would have been perfect for the 2400 lb. xB. I think I would reconsider a Corolla purchase for an xB w/ the same motor. The xB w/ 1.8 L motor, and 17-inch wheels from Matrix would be a pretty fun vehicle to own. I think I would just get too frustrated w/ only 108 hp and 105 torque. If you are driving w/ 4 people and their things, you could get killed pulling out into traffic.
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