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Mazda3 Hatchback

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  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    still have my Corolla for the 7th year and still running fine and no problems resulting from topping the gas tank off (I've heard some people saying topping it off is bad for your vehicle, didn't investigate the reason why though).

    I have heard the same from mechanics on a local TV program called Autotalk. Basically, going beyond the click of the gas pump may overload the fuel tank system; my recollection is that the extra fuel drowns a device (sensor? canister?)in the fuel tank that is used by the main computer to determine the fuel level. Repairs to the device can be costly. The host recommended that people not overfill their tank; don't keep pumping beyond the click to "top it up".
  • zzoomp09zzoomp09 Posts: 30
    I see. It will make me further look into it now since you've told me that. Of couse I don't want to do costly repairs in the future and I never had a problem with my Corolla from 7 years of topping it off. It really pisses me off that I only have 10 gallons in the tank and I can't use the advertised 13.2 galloons on it. Same with my cousin's 06 Civic, stops at around 10-11 gallons. Now my M3 is doing it at around 11-12 gallons out of the 14.5 gallon tank.
  • mtbmikemtbmike Posts: 2
    it was the charcoal canister that the overfilled fuel flowed into, and i've read recently that systems have been improved over the years and that no longer happens. But i still stop at the first click of the pump... not sure i believe it's really changed.

    MS3, black, 1700 miles, only issue so far is a sticking purge valve.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,164
    Another reason for not over-filling is that you are releasing gasoline vapors into the atmosphere. Modern fuel nozzles are designed to mitigate this source of air pollution, but topping off defeats this feature, somewhat.

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  • Ahhhh. I was also trying to see the trip computer information on the cluster. What button needs to be pressed to cycle between the clock and fuel computer?
  • mrblonde49mrblonde49 Posts: 626
    Ahhhh. I was also trying to see the trip computer information on the cluster. What button needs to be pressed to cycle between the clock and fuel computer? "

    "Set" to see the computer, "clock" to get back to the clock. I believe it goes back to clock when you shut the car off, but I'm not 100% sure.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    Has anyone heard anything about the next generation of Mazda3? From what I have read, the 2008 Mazda3 is a refresh; it has the same engine and most of the same features as earlier models.

    Considering that the car is now in its fifth year is it likely that the next generation will be next year (2008) or the year after (2009)?

    Also, considering that Mazda shares its engines across different products, is there any news about a new engine for Mazda that the Mazda3 would likely inherit in the future?

    Is there any news about a future Ford product using a spruced up engine from Mazda?

    Here's hoping that the future Mazda3 hatchback will shed several hundred pounds and come with a more fuel efficient but still performance-oriented engine.
  • qddaveqddave Posts: 164
    Here's hoping that it has elements of the new 6. I thought I read that the new 4 cyl for the '09 6 is supposed to be bumped up to 2.5L and produce approx 180hp. But I can't find the site at this minute.

    Dave
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    180 hp from a 2.5 sounds decent. better than the 5 cyl in vw, but still not as efficient as the current engines in the accord and altima. (4 cyl 2.4 with at least 177 hp and 4 cyl 2.5 with 175.)
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,027
    We currently have an '03 MPV which we're pretty happy with, but our family is shrinking (not really, but the number of kids living at home will be decreasing) and we may want to downsize a bit. While we're thinking about downsizing, we don't want to lose the utility of a hatchback wagon as we have several dogs, and we'll still need a grocery getter.

    I will say we've had our share of reliability issues with the MPV. Thankfully, they all occured and were fixed while the vehicle was still under warranty. None of the issues were major and I do think the overall build quality and reliability of Mazdas in general is top notch, which is why we're considering another one. The only real gripe I have about Mazda is they always seem to be lagging behind Honda and Toyota in terms of fuel economy. I don't know if their engine technologies aren't as advanced as those of Honda and Toyota, but when comparing similar vehicles, the Mazdas always seem to be less fuel efficient.

    The main reason we're looking at a change in vehicles is fuel economy. My wife is the primary driver of the MPV, and would also be of the 3 as well. Almost all of her driving is in the city. We average about 19 MPG with MPV, which I guess isn't too bad considering it's a minivan, but we'd rather have something that gets more like mid to high 20's in the city. With the MPV, there was only one engine choice. With the 3 there are two, and on paper there doesn't appear to be a whole lot of difference between the them. However, I know sometimes this can misleading. Are there many differences between the 2.0 and the 2.3 engines and if so, what are they? Which one gets the best mileage (the smaller engine doesn't always get better mileage)? Is the 2.0 doggy? Which one is the most reliable. I know the 3.0 Duratec engine in the MPV is bullet proof and I would hope its replacement would be as well.

    Also, I've noticed the automatic trannies in the 2.3 liter models are 5 speeds. Are these trannies made by JATCO like the ones in the MPV? If so, I really like their trannies. Who makes the 4 speed auto in the 2.0 liter models?

    If there's anything else any of you think I need know about the 3 before I consider buying one, I'd definitely like to hear about it.
  • I have a 2006 Mazda 3. My tires lasted only 12000 and that was pushing it. My front passenger tire had a big egg on the side of it. The tires are built for speed not logevity. The tires really grab the road, but also feel every bump in the road. I don't like the car on road trips. I paid $1100 to get new tires. So just add that to the price. It's a shame because for the most part I like the car.
    Also the front dash is a black material that really seems to radiate heat even if you have put up a windsheild shade. Good news is that the AC works great.
    The best mileage that I've recorded is 29. (In manual on the highway.)
    I love the zoom zoom zoom, though. And the hatchback allows me to transport all kind of things. I recommend getting the back bumper protectors and the rubber tray that you can get off the internet is a must.
    I, too would like to see better gas mileage from cars. I plan on waiting a year to see how the hybrids pan out then I'm selling my Mazda.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,027
    Is your's the 2.0 or 2.3 liter? The best mileage you've gotten is only 29 on the highway? That's what I'm talking about with the fuel economy of the Mazdas. If this was a Honda or a Toyota, it would probably get high 20's in town, and 35 highway. Mazda needs to play catch up with their fuel economy technology. I believe we're going to be seeing $4 a gallon gas next summer and these 20 MPG vehicles just ain't gonna cut it.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,027
    ...more input than this. I guess this is kind of a dead topic right now. :(
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,874
    I guess this is kind of a dead topic right now.

    I didn't think that you would be interested in my 3. FWIW, my 4200 mile Mazdaspeed3 is averaging @22 mpg in mostly suburban driving. If I could resist the urge to keep my foot to the floor I could possibly see 24 mpg- which is the number the pocket protector crowd at Consumer Reports averaged.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport 1975 2002A 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 1999 Wrangler 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2009 328i Son's: 2004 X3 2.5

  • gib11gib11 Posts: 47
    Has for mileage, I own a 2004 MZ3 hatch and average 32MPG for 80% highway. Its a little more than The ciovic and Corolla but I have lots more power and torque. Plus the car is heavier and rides on larger tire. Has for reliability, I still have the same breaks and went to the garage only for TSB. So for me this car is great :)
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    I don't know if their engine technologies aren't as advanced as those of Honda and Toyota, but when comparing similar vehicles, the Mazdas always seem to be less fuel efficient.
    Agreed. I think Mazda has some homework to do. According to Consumer Reports the manual 2.0L of the Mazda3 has the best overall mileage of the Mazda3s.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,874
    I think Mazda has some homework to do.

    You aren't kidding. At the strip it seems that the fastest pure stock Mazdaspeed3s can just barely break into the high thirteens. I hope Mazda gets its act together... :P

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport 1975 2002A 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 1999 Wrangler 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2009 328i Son's: 2004 X3 2.5

  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,027
    I'll forego the 13 second 1/4 miles for 40 MPG any day of the week.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,874
    I'll forego the 13 second 1/4 miles for 40 MPG any day of the week.

    To each his own; I'll forego 40 MPG for a 13 second quarter as long as I'm able to drive.
    That said, if/when BMW NA decides to bring the 335d to the US I'll finally have the best of both worlds- a car that will click off a low 14/high 13 second quarter yet still average 35 MPG.
    Until then, I'll gladly "endure" the Mazdaspeed's 22 MPG fuel economy, as it's a very reasonable trade-off for the borderline quick acceleration numbers.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport 1975 2002A 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 1999 Wrangler 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2009 328i Son's: 2004 X3 2.5

  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,027
    With $4 a gallon gas looming around the corner, I'm afraid you are in the minority.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,874
    With $4 a gallon gas looming around the corner, I'm afraid you are in the minority.

    So what? I'll pay a quite a few extra $$$ to escape automotive boredom any time...

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport 1975 2002A 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 1999 Wrangler 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2009 328i Son's: 2004 X3 2.5

  • I'm looking to purchase a small hatchback, and coming off a BMW 325, I think the Mazda3 might end up being my choice as it's sounding from my research that it'll be the most fun to drive, and I like the looks. My local dealer has lots of 2007s and 2008s available, but the majority of them are equipped with an air dam, which is a $400 (MSRP) option. I understand what the air dam is for, but being a middle-aged woman, I'm not influenced by the appearance and I'm not sure that the function of the thing is worth that much to me. Any thoughts? Also, I don't want the Sirius option and many of their cars have that, also. Is that something that can be removed from the car? I'll be iPodding instead. I want to find out about these issues from objective people, not salespersons at the dealer. Thanks for any help you can give me.
  • tiff_ctiff_c Posts: 531
    like the looks. My local dealer has lots of 2007s and 2008s available, but the majority of them are equipped with an air dam, which is a $400 (MSRP) option. I understand what the air dam is for, but being a middle-aged woman,

    Forget the air dam, ask the dealer to get you one that doesn't have one. It's mostly useless except for scraping low driveways. :blush:
    I usually don't get air dams, spoilers or anything since it really won't work until about 70mph anyway. unless the car is genuinely aerodynamic, and maybe the MazdaSpeed3 is. But the Mazda 3 it's just a piece of plastic that weighs more and most don't look good after they get a bit scraped up.
    Tell the dealer what you want no air dam and no Sirius radio, sheesh that's why there are CD's and Ipods.
    If they can't remove it they can find you one without it,or remove it. When I bought my WRX I told them, no spoiler. They said ok and it wasn't there on the one I bought.
    Dealers want to sell cars, be up front tell them what you do and do not want, and insist that you don't care if the car has it as long as you don't have to pay for it. These add-ons are merely to increase the price.
  • Yeah, that's my feeling, too. I'm willing to pay for safety and handling features, but the rest of that stuff - no. I just don't want to go in there and have someone tell me they "can't" remove any of those options that I don't want. I hate buying new cars and all the BS that goes along with it, but I'm also stubborn and don't want to cave to their crap. :mad:
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,874
    I'm assuming that the air dam and Sirius are factory installed. If that's the case you should simply find a 3 without those options, either by having the dealer locate one or else by going to a different dealer. That's what I did when I decided to purchase my Mazdaspeed3. I wanted a specific color with no options and my salesman found one and had it trucked in at no additional charge.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport 1975 2002A 2007 Mazdaspeed 3 1999 Wrangler 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2009 328i Son's: 2004 X3 2.5

  • Right, they are already installed on the in-stock cars. It actually make me suspect that that's one reason this particular dealer has so many cars available - they all seem to have a lot of options like the Sirius and air dams that a lot of people probably don't want. Another dealer in our area has fewer cars, but they have few options. They just don't have as many colors, since they have fewer to choose from, but I'll find out about getting one ordered.
  • autonomousautonomous Posts: 1,769
    I'll find out about getting one ordered.

    While ordering (and especially when signing a contract) remember to list the date by which you want the car to be delievered. A colleague had to wait nearly half a year to get her car because the dealership did not have the particular model she wanted. They kept trying to have her change her mind and take one from the lot. With a date clause in the contract you could walk away from the deal and get your deposit back.
  • Good point. Thanks, everyone, for the helpful suggestions.
  • scwmcanscwmcan Niagara, CanadaPosts: 394
    For the record I routinely get the epa milage with my 3 hatch (2.3 litre 5 speed manual), and this is driving at 70-80 mph. If I could manage to drive at 60-65 mph for a whole tank I am sure that I could beat the epa estimates. BTW I don't think engine technology is thereason the Mazdas do a bit worse for milage, I think it is the gearing, Mazda wants the cars to feel powerful for passing in top gear so they are geared for performance, I.e. they are reving quite high, I think with the 2.3 at least there is good power even down low and they could have geared the car more for economy by dropping the revs on the highway by at least 500 rpm, I think that would have made up most of the difference in milage betweeen a cicic/corrolla and a 3.
    Scott
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,164
    Those big 17" tires/wheels don't do much for gas mileage, either.. Big sporty air dams, etc, etc.... Those all increase drag and/or friction.

    I think the engine technology is okay.. the efficiency/power trade-off seems good. But, sporty options (and most Mazda3 are pretty sporty, compared to the average Civic or Corolla) will put a hit on mileage..

    Worth the trade-off, IMO...

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