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New S40/V50

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  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Gosh, it's been a while back soon after the Euro Focus was introduced in late '98 that I don't remember if this news article was from an American or British car magazine.

    BMW explained that they planned to purchase the Focus platform for their entry-level car to "save the development cost"(Yah right!). Since the Focus platform can also be used as RWD as seen in the recent V8 Focus concept car, maybe BMW was thinking about using it for the upcoming 1-series. & when they were questioned why not adopting the Golf platform instead, BMW quoted that the Focus platform is what the next Golf platform is expected to be. & indeed BMW was dead right that this has become the inevitable outcome for the FWD VWs that VW created job opportunities for those Focus-control-blade-rear-suspension engineers.

    Anyway, BMW decided to cancel such project maybe to save its image, but w/ their own FWD technology, they ended up w/ only a bumpy-riding Mini Cooper that can't even handle as well as the comfier-riding Focus SVT, per CR's comparison.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,468
    I try not to be ashamed of the Focus connection ... I really do try. ;)
    Seriously, though, it always receives rave reviews for its handling and ride, so its a great starting point. Its just a shame that so many shoppers are so ignorant as to think the S40 (or even the Mazda3) is a rebadged focus AND to hold that against it.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    Well most people will never know.
  • It based on a mediocre platform, and it shows (or rather, rides). People buy them, because its the value leader in the mid-size entry lux SUV segment.

    'course, that kind of thing can work for geezermobiles, but I was under the impression that Volvo is trying to attract the sporty, young male buyer with the S40. How are they going to compete with the 3-series, G35, CTS, etc. when they don't even have RWD, and their platform is an upgrade of Ford's budget global FWD platform?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    The G35 sits on Nissans corporate platform.
    The CTS sits on GM's Opel platform.
    The A4 on VW's.
    Japanese sedans and SUV's aren't great handlers but its because the motor companies don't make the effort in that direction.

    Look, a platform is the starting point, not the finish. If you read what the press has written about the new S40 they uniformly praise its handling and driving characteristics.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Although also not a precise handler, the RWD G35 doesn't share platform w/ Nissan's FWD Maxima/Altima w/ the same engine.

    "Look, a platform is the starting point, not the finish. If you read what the press has written about the new S40 they uniformly praise its handling and driving characteristics."

    In the case of the new S40, they already "uniformly praise its handling and driving characteristics" since the staring point. As far as the finishing point goes, they kept saying it broke new record in handling/steering for Volvos, but didn't say how far further.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "Acura MDX rides like crap
    It based on a mediocre platform, and it shows (or rather, rides)."

    Except the Lexus RX300 w/ stretched suspension travel over the ES300, SUVs usually rides stiffer & more like crap than their own sedan counterpart to keep down the body roll. BMW SUVs like the X3/X5 are even better examples.

    But yes, the Accord platform isn't as comfortable riding as the Passat/A6 platform.

    "How are they going to compete with the 3-series, G35, CTS, etc. when they don't even have RWD, and their platform is an upgrade of Ford's budget global FWD platform?"

    Budget platform? They did the smart invention by using the control-blades to cut down the manufacturing cost of an expensive platform. Now, as long as they can keep the road noise down w/ a comfortable ride, I wouldn't worry about any deficiency from the Focus platform. The Jag X-Type is based on Focus's big brother -- the Mondeo II -- w/ AWD.

    That's why they -- BMW, Mercedes, G35, next IS -- all offer AWD that competes w/ the AWD S40/V50.
  • Cornellpremed, come on, get real. An S40 AWD is going to blow up Eddy St. in the middle of winter like nothing you've ever seen before. A lot of the poseurs over at the Business School in their leased bimmers will be surprised at the bang for the buck.
  • It snowed today...

    Actually it snows everyday. But today it snowed several times more than usual. I can't get my car into the Stewart+Williams parking lot. I get no traction going down Williams street (climbing up it, as you're supposed to do is an impossibility), and my car just slides all the way down to the intersection.

    I've been very happy with my CTS until today. My parents didn't let me get snow tires because they think they're a hoax. So for my next car (even though I'll be out of this God forsaken place Ithaca), I have to get AWD.

    I have been dissapointed with the high prices of the S40, which based on looks is much more appealing to me than the competition.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    check out the Saab 9-2X. You get Japanese reliability, WRX performance, AWD and a nice brand image. It's affordable too.
  • Cornellpremed, I thought that maybe you were a pretty smart kid. Now I'm not so sure. Everybody, even Cornell undergrads, knows about lake effect snow in the Fingerlakes, everybody runs snow tires, the smart people run FWD (you're parents stuck you with a RWD Caddy as an undergrad??), and even without snow tires anybody who really wants to can make the run up Stewart Ave. and through the uphill, left turn to Morries. After that little dustup we had in Southeast Asia 35 years ago, a lot of guys were even running pickups on bald tires to get through Cornell on the GI Bill. And they never missed Last Call at Morries because someone gave them a Caddy without snows.

    Don't write off the S40 based on pricing. These are the Moroney Prices (ask an econ prof who Senator Moroney was) and after the first 6 months your local Volvo retailer will wheel and deal as always and discount.
  • Has anyone seen cargo room specsfor the V50 (both behind rear seat and with rear seat folded down)? Or EPA gas mileage figures and fuel requirements (regular, premium) for the two engines that are supposed to be available? Thanks.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,715
    I believe the NA (base non-turbo) engine can use regular in the S60, so it should be the same here. All the turbo engines need premium.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (daughter stole that one), and 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again)

  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    All Volvo's specify premium fuel.
    Cargo area w/ rear seat up 14.7 cu ft
    W/ rear seat down 25.3 cu ft.
    w/ front pass seat folded down 46.2 cu ft.
    Length behind rear seat 38.9 inches
    Length behind front seats 69.5 inches.
  • Are these maybe European specs that have been converted to U.S. measures? (The Europeans reportedly do not measure all the way to the ceiling when computing cargo room.) I was expecting the V50 to have a bigger cargo area than the current V40 which according to the brochure from the dealer has 33.5 cubic feet behind the rear seat and 68.1 cubic feet with rear seat folded down. The V40 measures 40.1 inches behind the rear seat and 68.9 inches behind the front seat with the rear seat folded down. From the 38.9-inch and 69.5-inch figures, and the increased height of the vehicle, it seems like the V50 should be bigger than that.
  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    "How are they going to compete with the 3-series, G35, CTS, etc."

    Is the S40 intended to compete against these vehicles?? I would consider the S60 to be a more direct Volvo competitor to those cars. The S40's main competition should be the TSX, A4 1.8T, the MB C230, and perhaps the 9-3. (Did I omit anything obvious?)

    volvomax: I tend to agree with herzogtum71. A cargo space of 14.7 cu ft seems more like the specifications for the sedan, not the V50 wagon??
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    competition should be:
    A4
    TSX
    9-2X (for the V50, anyways)
    1-Series
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Just going by volvo's published figures.
    I'll be seeing and driving the S40 and V50 later this month, I'll be sure to get more exact figures.
  • xmf314xmf314 Posts: 154
    I saw a new S40 on display at my local mall. It is a quantum leap over the old model. The interior was much better finished than my S60 and was upholstered in a slick looking fabric that looked pretty nice. I think the Volvo boys will have a winner here.
  • I found the figures you noted on an edmunds site. Didn't find specs for the V50 on the volvo website. May be looking in the wrong place, though. If you can get cargo volume figures later this month and post them here, that would be great. There was a similar situation with the specs reported on edmunds for the new Mazda6 wagon, and the specs the manufacturer is publishing now are much bigger.
  • For all those who are complaining or unsure about the new S40 pricing, you can now build your own 2004.5 S40 on the Volvo Website. Dont click on the normal Build + Price link, go to the New S40 site and then it will allow you to build.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,468
    some of us are complaining because we already did build our own and price it.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • What is there to complain about? Were you expecting to get a car that nice for 25K? Build a car with the same specs from Audi or BMW and see what the price comes out to.
  • FYI, I saw that Volvo is having a Drive Experience for people interested in the new S40. The website is: http://www.volvodriveevents.com/default.asp?redirect=drive_experi- ence

    It's free, and you get to run the new car on a track. Should be interesting... I wonder if they will have the T5 available?
  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    One Volvo dealer near us is expecting two new S40 demo cars to arrive the first week of March. One of them is a FWD turbo with an MSRP of $35.6K! He showed my a price sheet on it. It has over $8K in options, including Nav.

    Yikes! Will this new S40 be good enough to win customers away from the S60, especially when it is now very easy to buy an S60 2.5T with Premium, Touring, and Sports packages for $29K?
  • bretaabretaa Posts: 130
    Wow, 36K. That's steep. There are some really good BMW's, Acuras, Audis, etc. at that price level.

    I'm thrilled to see all this competition. Can anyone remember a category as uniformly impressive as the "entry luxury sports sedan" class as become? S40, 3-series, A4, TL/TSX, IS300, 9-3, CTS, X-Type, C-Class, et al. It's pretty amazing. The worst of the class, commonly felt to be the X-Type, still, by all measures, is a quite good car!

    What are the initial T5 prices pegged to be?

    - Bret
  • After you add all wheel drive it will likely cost $38,000. That is a lot of money for a front wheel drive based compact car.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,468
    We have discussed this previously on this board, but here is the short version from my point of view.

    I can't make definitive judgements until at least driving it, but I can say that it would be REAL tough to justify me dropping well over $30K on a loaded T5 when an Acura TL is about the same. And, frankly, only from the point of resale. Volvos used to have great resale and its why I bought one. Now the resale has completely tanked and I couldn't even buy an S40 or TL if I wanted to because I am so buried in my S70. BUT, as you can imagine, if I was going to trade, I'd be downright gunshy of another Volvo. So, for the same price, I can get a TL that accelerates faster (according to TL tests versus Volvo estimates at this point), has a great rep for reliability, and holds its value like gold. Its just my opinion.

    I agree, however, that if you compare it to BMW, MB, and the like, it will most likely seem like a great bargain.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,468
    cornell - I'm not following you. So it will cost that much for AWD version, but that's a lot for a FWD version?? Or are you saying that just because it is also available in FWD, it shouldn't cost that much for AWD?

    Besides, where did those numbers come from anyway ($36K and $38K)? Did I miss something? Are we talking about the S40? Because even if you get it fully loaded, its $34,500.

    Breta - go to www.volvocars.com to check out and price the S40

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    The TL has numb steering, although not by Volvo standard, but sure is by Focus standard. & the new S40 is reaching the Focus standard. CR find TL's steering feedback all right, but not C&D.

    Plus, the lack of AWD(at this moment) means the stick model has horrible torque steer plus the tugging from the LSD. Acura's future solution is like Highlander's -- hybrid rear electric motor.

    Isn't it horrible to live like that in a reliable long lasting TL? Fortunately the resales is good enough to get rid off it. ;-)

    If you want a stick Acura sedan w/o torque steer, then you have to get the TSX, but still w/ numb steering plus a very taut ride.
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