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New S40/V50

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  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    That's right! The German-built Focus is not just more reliable(& fun, too!) than any Volvo, but also more so than all the Japanese.

    vadp "Hyundai Elantra vs. Mazda3" Jan 17, 2004 5:14pm

    Without the Euro Focus technology, the next Volvo will be just another stodgy car to drive. Even the ride comfort of the present S60 is below par compare to the more agile Accord-based new TL(see Feb '04 CR).

    By the way, the design of the new Focus II, which the new S40/V50 is based on, is too good for North America that we don't deserve it & can't get it at any price!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,897
    based on the same platform, therefore its a focus. Ok, sure, sure, sure.

    So an Acura MDX is a gussied up Honda Accord? Did you know that? Yup, that $40K luxo AWD SUV is based on the same platform as that $20K FWD midsize sedan.

    Just goes to show you how little the platform has to do with the rest of the car.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Thought a Cornell guy would be brighter than that :)

    Platform sharing is a way of life these days.
    In addition to Acuras, Lexus, Infiniti, and Audi, not to mention Saab, Chrysler and now Ford have gone that route. More Car for Less $$$.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    more profits.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "So an Acura MDX is a gussied up Honda Accord? Did you know that? Yup, that $40K luxo AWD SUV is based on the same platform as that $20K FWD midsize sedan."

    That's why they're both pretty similar w/ decent ride comfort, although look different.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "Platform sharing is a way of life these days.
    In addition to Acuras, Lexus, Infiniti, and Audi, not to mention Saab, Chrysler and now Ford have gone that route. More Car for Less $$$."

    So, a cost-cutting excuse, but who to share with? Remember the fancy Isuzu Impulse(Piazza) shared w/ the Chevette?

    First of all, the Audi A4 has the dynamic Volvo can barely keep up with with the S60.

    & take a look at the upcoming Passat. VW finally had to give up sharing w/ their own undesirable Audi design by abandoning the longitudinal-mounted-engine configuration, & do it the Focus way w/ transversely-mounted engine & SPENDING MONEY hiring the Focus engineers to put on the control-blade rear suspension for the FWD models.

    It's the same way the new S40/V50's doing. Can't you see the Focus design is the ideal design?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,897
    the MDX and Accord have nothing in common other than the platform, though, that's all i was pointing out. Different suspension (obviously given the difference in ride height). Different engines. One has AWD, one doesn't. I could go on and on and on.

    Alot of folks seem to want to point out that the S40 being built on the Focus platform makes it some sort of overpriced Focus. First fact is that its not even a Focus platform. It so happens the same platform is being used for the Focus. But since Volvo engineers, Mazda engineers, and Ford engineers collaborated on it, it is being used by all 3 companies. Second fact is, as stressed in my Accord/MDX comparison, using the same platform does not mean anything that matters in reference to the 2 vehicles is necessarily the same.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "the MDX and Accord have nothing in common other than the platform, though, that's all i was pointing out. Different suspension (obviously given the difference in ride height). Different engines. One has AWD, one doesn't. I could go on and on and on."

    That's true, different ride height & suspension w/ 4-links for Odyssey(& MDX?) & 5-links for the sedans.

    "First fact is that its not even a Focus platform. It so happens the same platform is being used for the Focus. But since Volvo engineers, Mazda engineers, and Ford engineers collaborated on it, it is being used by all 3 companies."

    Platform wise, the Volvo S40/V50 is the closest thing to the upcoming Euro Focus II by sharing the same steering rack & suspension w/ same suspension travel all of which are pretty much similar to the original Focus I's design. Even the Mazda3 is not as similar to the Focus II by using a Japanese steering rack plus the firmest tuning in the suspension. Volvo & Mazda's involvement on this platform is pretty much on the secondary stuff unrelated to the driving dynamics such as arrangement for crashworthiness & engine installation procedure. So this platform is pretty much a pure Focus platform. Don't be ashamed of it, 'cause even BMW envied it so badly that they almost bought the entire Focus I platform more than a few years back!
  • Volvo is starting an all new S40 drive tour for free in February. They are going all around the country, starting in Orange County February 21-22. Go to http://www.volvocars.us/allaccessdrive for more information and to sign up.
  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    "'cause even BMW envied it so badly that they almost bought the entire Focus I platform more than a few years back!"

    Really? Where did you find that information?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Gosh, it's been a while back soon after the Euro Focus was introduced in late '98 that I don't remember if this news article was from an American or British car magazine.

    BMW explained that they planned to purchase the Focus platform for their entry-level car to "save the development cost"(Yah right!). Since the Focus platform can also be used as RWD as seen in the recent V8 Focus concept car, maybe BMW was thinking about using it for the upcoming 1-series. & when they were questioned why not adopting the Golf platform instead, BMW quoted that the Focus platform is what the next Golf platform is expected to be. & indeed BMW was dead right that this has become the inevitable outcome for the FWD VWs that VW created job opportunities for those Focus-control-blade-rear-suspension engineers.

    Anyway, BMW decided to cancel such project maybe to save its image, but w/ their own FWD technology, they ended up w/ only a bumpy-riding Mini Cooper that can't even handle as well as the comfier-riding Focus SVT, per CR's comparison.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,897
    I try not to be ashamed of the Focus connection ... I really do try. ;)
    Seriously, though, it always receives rave reviews for its handling and ride, so its a great starting point. Its just a shame that so many shoppers are so ignorant as to think the S40 (or even the Mazda3) is a rebadged focus AND to hold that against it.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • revdrluvrevdrluv Posts: 417
    Well most people will never know.
  • It based on a mediocre platform, and it shows (or rather, rides). People buy them, because its the value leader in the mid-size entry lux SUV segment.

    'course, that kind of thing can work for geezermobiles, but I was under the impression that Volvo is trying to attract the sporty, young male buyer with the S40. How are they going to compete with the 3-series, G35, CTS, etc. when they don't even have RWD, and their platform is an upgrade of Ford's budget global FWD platform?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    The G35 sits on Nissans corporate platform.
    The CTS sits on GM's Opel platform.
    The A4 on VW's.
    Japanese sedans and SUV's aren't great handlers but its because the motor companies don't make the effort in that direction.

    Look, a platform is the starting point, not the finish. If you read what the press has written about the new S40 they uniformly praise its handling and driving characteristics.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Although also not a precise handler, the RWD G35 doesn't share platform w/ Nissan's FWD Maxima/Altima w/ the same engine.

    "Look, a platform is the starting point, not the finish. If you read what the press has written about the new S40 they uniformly praise its handling and driving characteristics."

    In the case of the new S40, they already "uniformly praise its handling and driving characteristics" since the staring point. As far as the finishing point goes, they kept saying it broke new record in handling/steering for Volvos, but didn't say how far further.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "Acura MDX rides like crap
    It based on a mediocre platform, and it shows (or rather, rides)."

    Except the Lexus RX300 w/ stretched suspension travel over the ES300, SUVs usually rides stiffer & more like crap than their own sedan counterpart to keep down the body roll. BMW SUVs like the X3/X5 are even better examples.

    But yes, the Accord platform isn't as comfortable riding as the Passat/A6 platform.

    "How are they going to compete with the 3-series, G35, CTS, etc. when they don't even have RWD, and their platform is an upgrade of Ford's budget global FWD platform?"

    Budget platform? They did the smart invention by using the control-blades to cut down the manufacturing cost of an expensive platform. Now, as long as they can keep the road noise down w/ a comfortable ride, I wouldn't worry about any deficiency from the Focus platform. The Jag X-Type is based on Focus's big brother -- the Mondeo II -- w/ AWD.

    That's why they -- BMW, Mercedes, G35, next IS -- all offer AWD that competes w/ the AWD S40/V50.
  • Cornellpremed, come on, get real. An S40 AWD is going to blow up Eddy St. in the middle of winter like nothing you've ever seen before. A lot of the poseurs over at the Business School in their leased bimmers will be surprised at the bang for the buck.
  • It snowed today...

    Actually it snows everyday. But today it snowed several times more than usual. I can't get my car into the Stewart+Williams parking lot. I get no traction going down Williams street (climbing up it, as you're supposed to do is an impossibility), and my car just slides all the way down to the intersection.

    I've been very happy with my CTS until today. My parents didn't let me get snow tires because they think they're a hoax. So for my next car (even though I'll be out of this God forsaken place Ithaca), I have to get AWD.

    I have been dissapointed with the high prices of the S40, which based on looks is much more appealing to me than the competition.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    check out the Saab 9-2X. You get Japanese reliability, WRX performance, AWD and a nice brand image. It's affordable too.
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