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New S40/V50



  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Bravo, well said.

    I like that the S40 is a polarizing car. For too long Volvo has been bland, this is a love/hate kind of car.

    There are no "perfect" cars out there and its easy to succumb to analysis paralysis, especially if it's been a long time between purchases.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Add the 2005 Legacy GT to your list, the new interior is a lot nicer and you get 250hp, AWD, side curtains, 6 speed (or 5 speed auto with buttons on steering wheel), 4 level heated leather, huge moonroof, 17" alloys, CD changer, etc.

    It's about Acura TSX-sized. Subaru is rumored to beef up their warranty for 2005 as well. The 2.5T engine is based on the one in the WRX STi, which means semi-closed deck block, forged pistons, the works.

    I see it completing with the S40 T5 AWD when that model arrives.

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,174
    That Sube does sound interesting. Bigger class than the Volvo, but fits the same broad (counter-culture) parameters, at around the same price.

    Will have to toodle over and see it when it arrives. Hopefully they fixed the 2 main problems I had with my wife's 1992 Legacy (overly stiff clutch, and horribly uncomfortable seats). Still the most reliable new car I ever bought.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • new4doornew4door Posts: 5
    #580 -- did you have to special order a base model s40? My local dealer only has models w/ the premium package in the forseeable future.
  • caminacamina Posts: 31
    I dont think Volvo is in any position or has earned the right, for that matter, to be setting asthetic trends. If I wanted what everyone else wants then I would buy another 3 Series or lease one like every other college student. I think I addressed this in one of my previous messages.

    I waited about a year for this car and loved everything about it until I saw the interior. Say what you want. The console is a discrace for a car priced like this. It is plain and cheap looking. It may have good materials and engineering but it is cheap looking and insulting.

    Volvo is the only car company I know that consistantly offers $5K Dealer Incentives in order to sell cars...even in the Spring.

    There is a reason for this. The reason is they are too polarizing. This is thier second try at being different with the S40 and they will fail again.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The seats are very nice, they've been making the auto show rounds with the 2005 GT. They're actually unique to the GT model, with taller shoulders and more bolstering.

    Put it this way - I don't like the seats on our 2002 Legacy L, but the 2005 GT's are night-and-day better.

    Great seats like Volvo is famous for, to bring this back on topic.

    FWIW, I found the S40 interior to be innovative, the "floating" console is interesting. I'm not crazy about painted silver (fake metals) but it's par for the price class.

  • "I would like to stay away from German cars since they have bad reliability reports especially on the electrical side.

    BMW 3 - Not reliable, everyone has one because of leasing deals. Arrogant dealers and service. Too expensive. Most of the car is made in Germany and the transmission is made in France. Not exactly my two favorite countries at the moment."

    Boy! Don't you have any preconceived ideas and aren't you discriminatory?!!!
    What's next? You are going to refuse putting gas in your car because it comes from the Middle East?!!!!
    The new S40 console design is innovative and does not look any cheaper than other comparable cars. You are not the type of guy that can think outside the box, that's all! Nothing wrong with that, but admit it and stop bashing the S40 and other countries!
  • caminacamina Posts: 31
    I think you have lost touch on what forums are about. They are about opinions and I enjoy reading others. But, there is no need to get personal.

    My comments about BMW 3's are from my own experience, other owners of German cars, Consumer Reports, and other information available to people who want to express and listen to opinions.

    Seems like you have a preconceived idea of anyone who doesn't have the same thinking as you. Isn't being politically correct thinking inside the box ?

    Country Bashing ? If I don't want to give my money to companies from countries, I have a problem with politically, I have that right. But, if you read carefully, it's not my number 1 priority.

    Yeah, your right, it doesn't exactly thrill the heck out of me to have to pay $2 to $3 for a gallon of gas. How about you ?

    I have my opinion and you have yours. Why can't you leave it at that ? Who the hell are you to tell me what I can or can't say ?
  • josh684josh684 Posts: 55
    There was one in Orlando, FL. It didnt have black interior. One at Westin Volvo, they wanted MSRP. I bought mine at Warren Henry, and it was located in South Carolina somewhere. Should have it this week.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "The new S40 console design is innovative and does not look any cheaper than other comparable cars."

    Like cell phones, they are getting less bulky.

    I find all cars so distant from perfection that I have to ignore the badge & even styling. The S40's interior looks boring w/ that simple-shaped dash, but that center console is a smart design, except that the switches on it are by wire & not the more intuitive conventional mechanical ones.

    I still rate its overall interior design the best due to the driving position & ergonomics alone!
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "did you have to special order a base model s40?"

    Each dealer I visited in Torrance & Pasadena had one, but only w/ the $450 metallic paint.

    It's cool to raise the seat/steering so high to take advantage of the moonroof-less headroom.
  • caminacamina Posts: 31
    Last Spring I went to the Chrysler Crossfire drive event. They had a track where you could test the Crossfire against other cars (Boxter, AudiTT, and G35). They also had a computerized questionaire, Theme Music CD, memorabilia...etc.

    Is the Volvo S40 drive event similar ?
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    there weren't other kinds of cars for comparison & this is the only one w/o strips placed at then end of the track to simulate bumps. It's definitely worth going & be on time. The event is pretty upscale w/ free appetizers/drinks.

    The Lexus's & GM's had other cars to compare.

    The Mazda RevItUp events are for the $40 school/racing to win one Mazda sedan nation wide. & all the newest-style Mazda vehicles are there on the test-drive section, which is free for everyone. & like Volvo's, no non-Mazda cars for comparison.
  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    Actually, this month's issue of CR specifically states that the BMW 3-series reliability "has improved lately, so we recommend the 3 Series." They were also recommending the 3-series back throughout most of the late 90's. I had good reliability with both of mine.

    Regarding Volvo reliability, the 60, 70, and 80 series models are all "recommended", with a respectable "average" reliability rating. (This is respectable compared to some other European cars, such as Mercedes, Audi, Jaguar, and most VW models).

    In order to stand out from all the other near-luxury small sport sedans, I agree that Volvo was correct in taking some risks and providing the S40 with a "polarizing" interior design.
  • That's because, when it comes to Mazda, there IS no comparison. ;) Though it'd probably be appropriate for them to stick a Subie and/or Honda in there.

    I need to ask something. Exactly where ARE these events? Do they ever come to NY State, or do they, like everyone else, think there is nothing in NY State north of NY City? (Hmm, you mean maybe I live in Canada? Hehehe)
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Sign up soon. Space's limited. But be there anyway for the free test drive of the Miata turbo, RX-8 auto that rides softer than the 3i, etc.
  • Uhh, you DID hear me say NY STATE, right? Apparently, both Mazda and you think NY State ends at the NY City Newburgh, no Buffalo, no Albany, no Poughkeepsie....grr...ok, the first car company that relizes that there's more to NY State than NY City gets a cookie. :)

    Hmm, might have to go just to try out the RX8 though, even though I'm not worthy. BTW, don't knock my 3s suspension. ;)
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "That's because, when it comes to Mazda, there IS no comparison. ;)"

    A lot of people may think Mazda is king, but C&D nailed it. They found the Mazda6 running out of suspensions travel even easier than the Accord's softer setting. The Accord's long springs made it the king in this area.

    It seems the "Focus system" has failed & is no match for the BMW 3-series. The SVT may ride & handle like the 3-series w/ the lowered sport suspension but not the ride/handling compromise of the 325i sedan's longer-travel regular suspension.

    I like the new S40's interior, but as the Brit magazines(i.e., AUTOCAR, etc.) pointed out that the T-5's ride comfort doesn't have the 3-series/Jag X-Type's last 15% of polish , while not having the handling composure to cope w/ its own 17" wheels. Was that the regular or sport suspension? Even if it's the regular & you can upgrade to sport suspension to improve the composure, the ride will be even worse still. Anyway, for us buyers here, take the sport suspension w/ the 16"s as equipped on the 2.4i sport & forget about being power greedy by getting the T-5 turbo that lacks direct throttle response. Also, the T-5 sport's 17" wheels made "the T-5 stampedes down a typical British B-road rather than flowing with poise."(p.57, 23 March 2004 AUTOCAR) & its std T-tech-fabric power driver seat & auto climate control are point less, as their lack of memory feature & charcoal filtration, respectively, have no true advantage over the std 2.4i. Keep the $2800 in your pocket. The T-5's 6-sp manual has no significant quietness advantage over the 5-sp manual.

    Ok, so you may not need to push the handling envelope that hard, but the electro-hydraulic steering assist really cuts down the everyday steering feel & ruins the fun. BMW seems to realize the problem. After their Mini Cooper w/ the electric-assisted steering, BMW decided to keep the conventional pure-hydraulic power-steering unit driven by the good o'engine belt on the upcoming compact -- the 1 & 2 series. They're also smart enough to make the i-drive only as an option.
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  • Ok, bear with me, but where do you get the "Focus system" as having failed by pointing out a car that doesn't even use it? May I in turn point out that the "Focus system" in the Focus has gotten high marks from C&D, Auto Week, and many other car magazines, and even those haters of American Iron, Consumer Reports! The Mazda3's "Focus system" is well thought of by C&D, Auto Week, and Edmunds, and will probably do well in others when they get to it.

    Now it IS possible that Volvo tried to dampen it too much to give it a plushy "luxo-ride" and it messed up the chassis/suspension balance, but Volvo never really marketed it as a sporty car, but as more of a entry-level luxury car with some sporting intentions. You have to remember, Ford's Premiere Auto Group isn't just some willy-nilly glob of automakers; each one tends toward a specific brand identity. Near as I can figure, this is how they come out:

    Ford: Ho-hum rental fleet, Trucks
    Mercury: Entry-level quasi-luxury, rental fleet
    Lincoln: Limos, Hurses. ;) Luxury cruiser type things (LS not withstanding).
    Jaguar: Sport/Luxury (sort of like a British BMW)
    Mazda: Sporty vehicles
    Volvo: Luxury/Safety
    Land Rover: SUVs, African Safari supplier :)
    Aston Martin: Bond-mobiles, missiles optional. :D

    Of course Volvo isn't going to measure up to Jaguar..the Jaguar is a larger, more costly vehicle, and Ford isn't interested in cannibalizing its own sales, now is it?

    Also keep in mind that you haven't even gotten to check out the US spec suspensions on the V40 don't even know if it's going to be the same as Euro spec, tighter, or looser.
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