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  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    but will you be able to get a manual tranny on the S40/V50 (more curious about the wagon). And if so, is it only with certain motors or packages? Seems like I can only find them equiped with autos on Volvo's site or Edmunds.
  • josh684josh684 Posts: 55
    I know the S40 will come 5 Speed during the summer. I think as the 2005 Model. There will be a 6 Speed on the T5.
  • caminacamina Posts: 31
    Like I said, if Volvo offers a big rebate then they may sell 15K maybe 20K but thats it. I thought you were talking S40 sedans.

    What specifically don't you like about the TSX ? I thought it was a nice car. The only thing I don't like about it was it's a lot of money for a 4 cylinder.

    It has good reviews, it's made by a quality company, and has has the lowest TCO in it's category.
  • caminacamina Posts: 31
    I have a problem with dealers not giving discounts especially in this economy. When I looked at the TSX when it first came out thats what they told me and I said "See Ya".

    First off, if dealers don't deal then why do we need them ?

    Secondly, there is no car in today's market and economy that is so special that it deserves no discount.

    Lastly, why should any consumer pay sticker for a new model car when you know you will be used as beta tester ?

    They all play the game. The factory sends each dealer 3 or 4 cars at first. Then all the dealers tell thier customers they are selling like hot cakes and have nothing left.

    They want you to think that a dime-a-dozen car is as rare as an autographed 1918 Red Sox World Series Program.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    I include the wagon and sedan for sales numbers as it is my understanding the industry people usually do that as well.

    You and I, it appears, have almost opposite taste in sedans at least.

    I am fairly impressed with TSX mechanicals and would not mind the 4. What I do not like is the, for me, overworked chrome-like body accents and the busy interior.

    I accept that many do like the car. With Acura keeping US shipments down, I do not doubt that it will have no problem selling them at list. As Venus points out, the TLs are not moving.
  • logic1logic1 Posts: 2,433
    The local Volvo dealer tells me there will be a manny in the V50.

    I know there is a manny in the S40. Appears the dealers bought mostly autos. The only mannys I have heard about are the ones in the Volvo drive experience.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,589
    the sticks won't come out until the summer as '05s. I think it will be the same time that the V50 arrives, and should also be when the AWD version appears.

    I don't remember if the AWD and stick will be available together, or just FWD/stick.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The answer to that is simple - wait. The market determines the price of any vehicle. Either that or it won't sell.

    First on the block always pays more.

    Remember the New Beetle on E-Bay that sold for $25 grand? Could have waited and bought one today with a rebate and at invoice with 0% financing and free floor mats. The dealer will beg you to take it for $10 grand less that the guy on E-bay.

    -juice
  • josh684josh684 Posts: 55
    The XC90 Stayed at MSRP for a while. It also still sells pretty close to MSRP I think. So if that is ant indication, the S40 might do the same. Alot of people like the car, It does turn heads when I drive it.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    It simply made the S60/80 looking even more boring. & since a lot of Volvo buyers are senior citizens, who don't usually carry passengers in the back seat, giving discounts on the new S40 will only ruin the sales of the larger S60/S80.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "What specifically don't you like about the TSX ? I thought it was a nice car. The only thing I don't like about it was it's a lot of money for a 4 cylinder."

    This is the best-performing 4-cyl -- w/ low-end no weaker than the regular Accord's 2.4 but revs quietly & eventually churns out 200 hp w/o turbo/Kompressor. Without making a FWD car nose-heavy like 6-cyls do, it's almost like an expensive racing engine.

    But all passengers don't like our TSX's ride over bumps, & this is compounded by the poor outward visibility from all passenger seats. Despite long springs on multi-links, the tuning is so taut, even more than the Euro Accord twin, that the the jolts from the road pushing the human torso vertically is even more forceful than the harsher-riding Mazda3.

    The TSX rides superficially harsh-free due to the softer-than-Euro-Accord bushings that separates the suspension/road noise as well as the important tire-grip info coming through the steering wheel! So it's not a fun driver's car, despite first-class handling competence, especially when cornering hard over bumpy roads.

    Bottom line -- the TSX is neither truely fun for the driver, nor comfy for the passengers.

    Is the S40 2.4i w/ the $750 sport suspension a better compromise? We'll see. My prediction is that the S40's steering isn't as numb, & the ride less punishing. The S40's rear head room is much worse than TSX's.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    the TLs are moving and like hot cakes. my point was that there's way more production of the TL than the TSXs.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    from Brian Moody at Edmunds:

    "the ride on the open highway can be a little busy, especially on less than perfect concrete highways. On smoother asphalt, the S40 is quiet and comfortable. I'm perfectly willing to admit that this complaint could be the result of a personal bias toward soft-riding highway cruisers, but the fact remains there are cars like the Acura TSX that offer both sharp handling and excellent highway manners"

    s40 first drive
  • larscalarsca Posts: 60
    The S40 will be available with 5 speed manual for the 2.4i, and 6 speed manual for the T5. As far as I know, only the T5 will be available with AWD (in both auto and 6sp). These combinations will start to sell sometime this summer. At first I heard June, but lately I've heard August. At about the same time the V50 will start to sell in the U.S.

    I don't think the 2.4i will be available with AWD, but I'm not sure. I'm also not sure if the 4 cylinder versions and the diesel version that is (going to) sell in Europe will ever be available in the U.S.

    Personally I don't think there will be an R version of the S40 as long as the S60R is available.

    I think it's correct to compare the S40 T5 to the BMW 325, but not the 330 since it's so much more expensive. I also believe that you could easily compare the T5 to the MB C230 sedan, and in my opinion that is a more interesting comparison since they are more similarily priced (with options and packages included). And to all MB haters out there, when it comes to the C-class my experience with it is that they do tend to have to visit the shop a bit too often, but at least where I bought my C230 (coupe) it's all covered under warranty, I get a free loaner during the day and my car is always washed when I come to pick it up. Does Volvo offer the same service? No.

    I really like the new S40 T5, but I worry about the reliability and the service/warranty. All things considered, I might opt for the mid-cycle updated C230 Kompressor with the 6 speed manual and some sort of sport package (if that is available?). But that's just me.

    Oh, and finally, I didn't think the center console of the S40 was neither cheap looking or super cool. It was just there, I didn't have a problem with it, but at the same time I didn't think it was the coolest thing since sliced bread either. I did however not like the T-TEC material for the seats. Felt like sitting on a wet suit to me.
  • caminacamina Posts: 31
    What do you mean "all passengers dont like OUR...". Do you work for a dealer or are you quoting a magazine ?

    I realize it has the VTEC engine an all. But when I drove it, it just doesn't feel right compared to a 6 cylinder. Maybe it needs getting use to.
  • caminacamina Posts: 31
    What's the best car available right now between $25K to $28K ?
  • larscalarsca Posts: 60
    That's an impossible question to answer. It depends on your needs, your preferences, etc. But since you're posting your question in the Volvo S40 forum, I guess it's safe to assume the S40 is something that interests you? In other words, a small four door sedan with responsive handling and better than most performance?

    Next assumption is regarding optional equipment. Are leather, premium packages and bi-xenon headlamps a must for you? OK, if it is we're talking about a loaded car for between $25-28k. If not, we're talking about a 'clean' car for that price. Huge difference.

    I will assume you're talking about a normal car, with leather and automatic transmission, but no bi-xenon lights or heated headlamp washers. Here's my answer to the question what's the best car out there for $25-28k: It's entirely up to you.

    (But my money is on a Honda Accord EX coupe V6 in that price range.)
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "I realize it has the VTEC engine an all. But when I drove it, it just doesn't feel right compared to a 6 cylinder. Maybe it needs getting use to."

    You can't compare the TSX's 4-cyl lighter-weight engine to a 6-cyl. Even the so-so V6 from Mazda 6S(weaker than Honda/Nissan V6) has 50% more acceleration thrust of .44g than TSX's .29g.
    creakid1 "Acura TSX vs. Mazda6" Apr 1, 2004 7:17pm

    Hey, at least CR found the new S40 2.4i got strong low end. The TSX is heavier than the Accord, so its engine feels pretty weak at low rpms.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    “from Brian Moody at Edmunds:

    "the ride on the open highway can be a little busy, especially on less than perfect concrete highways. On smoother asphalt, the S40 is quiet and comfortable. I'm perfectly willing to admit that this complaint could be the result of a personal bias toward soft-riding highway cruisers, but the fact remains there are cars like the Acura TSX that offer both sharp handling and excellent highway manners"”

    That's what I was afraid of -- Is Volvo's continuing w/ that wrong setting in the frequency tuning again? While the TSX is mainly only having a "too taut for comfort" problem. Even the 850/S70 from the '90's kept having a busy/jiggly ride over rippled concrete fwys! Has Volvo figured it out yet? Gosh, I better go drive both S40's suspensions over bumps & find out.

    I'm so good at distinguish this problem that when I test drove the new '90 Protege LX, I was able to pin point out that the car bounced just as high as the bump right after hitting the bump & hence no net gain in absorption. & my trial-&-error concluded that Gabriel pretty much solved this problem.

    Well, Volvo's All Access is the only drive event I've seen that avoided using simulated bumps on the track so people like me won't be able to nail it.

    How are we gonna fix it? The Mazda3 has some similar problem, too. Looks like the good o'American low-quality Gabriel is the only savior to calm down the ride.
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