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Honda Odyssey Future Models

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  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,662
    Does anybody know the prices of the "low end" models?

    My current Accord has melted M&M's and spilled pop/juice on the seats. The floor has matching decor with old fries, the odd sock and crusty hamburger buns...I can't see paying 38K+ for a mini-van, but mid to low 20's seems ok.

    Too bad there isn't a DX model. I can slide my own doors and roll up my own windows. If my wife didn't insist, I'd even consider not getting the ABS and air bags etc.

    Priorities:
    Safety (I know the ABS propaganda)
    Price
    Reliability
    the rest is just "fluff"
  • I bought my Blizzaks from tire rack as well. I ordered them pre-mounted on steel rims so all I have to do is swap out the wheels. To give everybody an idea of the $$$ we are talking about I just priced Blizzaks on steel rims for an 2004 Ody. $588 from tirerack.com. When you think about the price also consider that you will be extending the calender life of your "all season" tires since you won't be putting a many miles on them.

    As for sour grapes, perhaps for some but not certainly not for me. I wouldn't buy it if they had it. The only reason I would consider AWD on a Sienna is because it includes other things I would want, such as rear disk brakes, VSC, and side curtain airbags. These are optional on the FWD, but we all know about Siennas and option packages.

    The most glaringly problematic things for me are what a lot of others see:

    no way to get 8 seats and a power liftgate. I have a Red Touring with DVD/NAVI being built for me week after next, but I may have to pass in favor of the EX-L because I do want that 8th seat. (note that the reviews are comflicting at to its value - one said store it in the garage, another said comfortable even for an adult).
  • This is just fascinating to me. I understand how Bose noise cancelling head phones work - destructive interference of sound waves. But in a car there are so many variables.

    Does Hondas ANC work if the sound system is turned off?

    Does it used the same set of speakers as the rest of the audio system?

    If speakers are shared, how does it work if you are playing something else through the audio system? i.e. if you crank the sound system, is the anti-noise also "cranked"?

    This is a feature that just seems awesome if it really works.
  • I'm suffering with the ex-l vs. Touring dilemma myself. My white Touring with res & navi should be one of the first ones into the dealership. How am I going to pass it up once I see it? I REALLY wanted the power liftgate, but I'm not sold on the PAX tires. I don't NEED the 8th seat, but there have been plenty of times it would have come in handy (we have three kids, our best friends have 4). Bottom line, I just don't know if I can suck up around $37,500....I'm trying to convince myself that I can live contentedly for the next 5 to 7 years with the EX-L with RES/Navi. I wonder how much that combo would actually save me???
  • fbearfbear Posts: 117
    nowakj66- below is a quote from Honda about ANC which may partially answer your question. I would think that it would have to work even when you are listening to something through the sound system but how?...perhaps it could add the anti-noise to whatever else is coming through or perhaps it borrows a couple of the speakers.

    Anyway, here is the quote (and notice Honda's sense of humor in the last sentence.

    "The ANC system uses a microphone at the front of the vehicle interior to create "anti-noise" through the audio system speakers.

    More specifically, the audio system analyzes the sound waves entering the cabin, and then instantaneously creates an opposite sound wave (anti-noise) to cancel the unwanted noise."...

    "The system will not counteract voices inside the cabin whether desired or not."
  • ace1000ace1000 Posts: 151
    With the Touring model, you will be driving without a spare if you replace the PAX tires with a set of four snow tires and rims.

    Also, the VSA (stability control) system is much better than traction control or AWD at controlling skids in snow. VSA works when braking and steering; AWD doesn't. Both Mercedes and Toyota have said that stability control systems are the most important drivetrain innovation for controlling a vehicle and avoiding accidents - more important than AWD. VSA should also be better than traction control at accelerating on wet or snowy roads.
  • acenjacenj Posts: 58
    i'm a fairly good driver and have driven numerous cars w/ trac control as well as 4 wheel drive cars and suv's. problem I have with most trac control systems is you can't get up inclines with them as easy as you can w/ AWD.
    just my 2 cents. I swore i'd never pay for trac control again after the last exp. w/ mercedese.

    Ace
  • ace1000ace1000 Posts: 151
    What is in the spare tire compartment on the Touring model? Is this where the subwoofer is, or is it available to put a spare in?

    If you can put a spare in the Touring model, then you can have the best of both worlds. If you are going somewhere and don't have time to take the van in for service, or if you want to just drop the wheel off and continue to drive while it is being repaired, then you could put the spare on. Or you could go to the dealer and get a new wheel and tire installed while you wait. Of course, you would also have to get a jack to use the spare, but you may be able to buy a spare and jack as parts from Honda.
  • ace1000ace1000 Posts: 151
    AWD and VSA overlap in what they do, but their primary functions are different. AWD is better at accelerating, which includes going up inclines. VSA is better at maintaining control when braking or steering, and will help with maintaining traction.

    Having both is best, but if I have to choose between them, VSA is the clear winner. AWD will help you not get stuck. VSA will save your life and the lives of those in the vehicle. The studies that have been done show this, and that is why so many car makers are rushing to put stability control on their vehicles, especially in Europe, and why our federal government is considering making it mandatory on at least all SUV's.
  • My Sienna AWD came with a jack and a lug wrench, even though there is no spare. Go figure. I assume Honda will do the same with Odys that are equipped with PAX.
  • ???? I don't know how it got posted 2x, as I certainly did not intend to repost. Also, I really meant to say that ANC and not VCM was a band-aid for lazy engineering. I managed to delete the second post btw...
  • fbearfbear Posts: 117
    2nd post happens when you refresh and your original post is somehow still in the buffer or something- if you get a message about the system needing to send info again to complete your refresh, you are about to double post.

    but to your point, I think ANC is made necessary by VCM- VCM is putting 3 cylinders in charge of pushing a 2+ ton vehicle down the road and even when coasting on the freeway those 3 cylinders must scream pretty loudly to get the job done. So VCM saves on gas but creates more noise. ANC defeats the extra noise so you get the gas savings without the noise. Do any Lexus or Toyotas have VCM?

    As an added benefit, the ANC will also help defeat other steady road noise which enters the cabin.

    It will be interesting to see just how successful this is when C&D does its official tests and also when we get to let our own ears check it out.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,593
    These would never sell. As it is, LX's are very slow sellers compared to the others.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,146
    the engine will be turning the same RPMs with just 3 cylinders activated, so it won't be screaming down the road. The drivetrain will rotate the same as normal, only the 3 valves won't open, so no gas will be used.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • If you don't know it already, the EX-L with have the 6 CD-changer if you ordered an NAV/RES. I thought only touring with nav has it. I emailed collegehills with the question and they answered promptly.
  • The Honda will come with a spare tire even with the PAX system installed.

    Khanh
  • fbearfbear Posts: 117
    stickguy,
    Do you know why there will be added noise (that needs to be canceled) when it goes to 3 cylinders?
  • dannodanno Posts: 114
    AN issue may arise with the low air pressure sensors that come with PAX. The computer in the car will be trying to communicate with the wheel air pressure sensors and when it does not find the sensors, the computer will give you an error message. I don't know if it can be turned off, or how instrusive the error message will be in case of aftermarket wheels being installed. Maybe extra sensors can be purchased for the steel wheels?
    I hope Honda has planned for this scenario.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    I don't think the low pressure system actually measures the air pressure in each tire via remote sensors. Using the ABS sensors it can monitor wheel rotational speeds. A tire with low air pressure will turn SLIGHTLY faster in relation to the other tires. Ergo, that tire is low on pressure (at least, relative to the other tires). A similar system is used on the Sienna.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    From what I understand, ALL EX-L models have the 6-CD changer as standard equipment.
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