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Chevrolet Aveo Sedan

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  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    Unless they recently changed the engine it has always been a Daewoo engine just like my 1988 Pontiac Lemans (Daewoo).
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    The factory service manual that I bought from Helm when I bought the car had a page with several different engines listed (single OHV, dual OHV as well as different sizes), and the code next to the engine in my 05 translated to a Holden manufactured engine. It possible that I could have mis-read it, but I don't think so, as the 05 Aveo also uses the same oil filter as my 02 Chevy S-10 pickup. I would go back and check the manual again, but I let it go with the car...However, I'll try to verify...if I'm wrong, shame on me!!!

    Either way, that particular engine is not a technological wonder. Still, I have rented cars in my younger days, and lets just say I probably drove them a bit differently that if I had owned them. So, I would be a bit hesitant to translate a mechanical failure in a single rental as the sole determining factor in selecting a car to purchase...as I am sure we would all be hesitant to do...

    The link...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Aveo#Engines

    has info on the Aveo, but isn't clear exactly who makes the engine.

    The info below was found on Wikipedia, but also ins't clear as to where the engine is made, but it does imply Daewoo manufacture...

    D-TEC
    D-TEC was an older variant of Family 1 SOHC engine licensed by Daewoo Motors for their range of Opel-derived cars such as Daewoo Espero and Daewoo Nexia. These engines are built exclusively at Bupyeong engine plant. They feature valvetrain driven by toothed belt, in a DOHC configuration for most versions, and aluminum cylinder head.

    1.3 L SOHC - Daewoo Lanos
    1.5 L SOHC - Daewoo Lanos, Daewoo Nexia
    1.6 L SOHC - Daewoo Nexia
    1.6 L DOHC - Daewoo Nexia, Daewoo Espero, Daewoo Lanos

    [edit] E-TEC II
    Updated version of D-TEC. Most models feature Euro III-compliancy, and 1.4 L and 1.6 L DOHC versions employ variable intake geometry.

    1.4 L SOHC - European Chevrolet Kalos/Chevrolet Aveo
    1.5 L SOHC, Euro II - Asian, Middle Eastern and South African versions Chevrolet Lacetti, Chevrolet Nubira and Chevrolet Aveo, CKD kits of Aveo assembled by ZAZ
    1.4 L DOHC - European Chevrolet Kalos/Chevrolet Aveo, Chevrolet Lacetti and Chevrolet Nubira
    1.6 L - L91/LXT, 103 hp (77 kW) and 107 ft·lbf (145 N·m) of torque, U.S. version of Chevrolet Aveo; European Chevrolet Lacetti and Chevrolet Nubira
    Higher-displacement versions of D-TEC and E-TEC II are indeed Family II engines built by Holden.

    D-TEC/E-TEC II
    Holden makes various Family II engines for GM India and GM Daewoo at its Melbourne plant. Variations include displacements from 1.6 L. to 2.4 L. Unlike the Ecotec engines, the block is made of iron.

    [edit] L34
    This is the 2.0L (1998cc) variant of the engines, featuring 86 mm bore and 86 mm stroke. Power is 119 hp (89 kW) @ 5400 rpm and torque is 126 ft·lbf (171 N·m).

    The engine has been used on following vehicles:

    Chevrolet Optra
    Chevrolet Evanda
    Suzuki Reno
    Suzuki Forenza

    [edit] Other models
    1.6 L - Daewoo Kalos, Daewoo Gentra, Chevrolet Aveo
    1.8 L - Chevrolet Lacetti, Chevrolet Nubira, Chevrolet Rezzo
    C24SE, *2.4 L SOHC - Isuzu Rodeo
    2.4 L DOHC - Chevrolet Captiva, Opel Antara

    So, beats me who makes them!
  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    I had no idea the engine was that closely related to the Ecotec, a mill that gets slammed regularly for roughness but that I've enjoyed, at least in a rental car. Funny how the Aveo gets the same or less mileage as an Ecotec in a Cobalt considering the similar design. It does look like it's probably made in Melbourne.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    Melbourne made or Korean made, the engine appears to definitely be a GM design, licensed in earlier years to Daewoo.
  • lostwrenchlostwrench Posts: 288
    I, too, was surprised at how close the mpg ratings are between the Aveo and Cobalt.
    Aveo - 1.6L - 24/34
    Cobalt - 2.2L - 24/33
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    Because of its higher output of the Cobalt Ecotec's, if this engine was put in an Aveo it would likely get even better mileage in such a light car. Less effort to accelerate and cruise generally means better mileage.
  • I do agree, I know how I am with rentals. I drive the hell out of them, literally. Most likely the case is that the idiot who rented it before you didn't like that it wasn't as powerful as the Mustang Convertible he or she couldn't afford to rent and kept it to the floor most of the time..
  • Interesting that you say there's a service bulletin advising of misfire for aveo 2007? I do not know if it and i have a 2007 aveo sedan. bad gas likely caused the misfire and it's a shame you are blaming GM for it. What type of gas did you put in the car? is it certified gas for use? In Canada gas has to bear a seal on it to be used on most cars and qualify for warranty repairs. If you put cheap gas in, it could void your warranty policy and any claims. Also you should be replacing your spark plugs every 50,000km if not sooner. So at 41,000 miles your plugs certainly need checking if not replacing regardless of them being platinum or not. Really people need to look after their cars. I see people who never change the oil etc. It's disgusting.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    Also you should be replacing your spark plugs every 50,000km if not sooner. So at 41,000 miles your plugs certainly need checking if not replacing regardless of them being platinum or not

    The service manual states the period is 60K KM for plug replacement (Volume 1, page 0-21).
  • jmysteryjmystery Posts: 3
    I just got rid of my aveo, it was an 06 and I bought it new. I have had nothing but problems with it. I was warned that it was a POS. It has been in the shop for front end noise 4 times, I complained to GM and they could not fix it so gave me a 5 year 100k mile extend on the front end and the air condtioning. The air keeps giving off a wet sock smell when you use it. They kept dumping cleaning solution down the drain of the condencer pan and it would smell like cleaning solution and bubble gum for a week then dirty socks again. The noise in the front end is a squeek when you go over a bump at slow speed. Then just after war. ran out the key celinoid would not disengage and let the key out, also the celinoid that disengaged the block in the shifter lever did not work at the same time. I found several threads on line that seems to indicate that this is not a rare problem. I took the consoul apart and found that if I jumped the wires leading to the switch in the shifer it would relese the key pin, then I took a zip tie and tied back the block on the shifter lever. I then took the POS to the Toyota dealer and took it up the tail pipe and got 5500 trade in.
    I bought a 09 Corolla. The car is much tighter than the aveo and much less road noise. I would not recomend this daewoo to any one. The MPG was good but after buying a GPS system the speedo. was off by 5 MPH, this would show much better MPG than it was really getting.
    I just got back from Myrtle Beach, it got 39 mpg there and back, not to bad but it was more like 36 mpg.
    This car is cheap but when you factor in all the problems and how cheap it really is I would recomend a Toyota over theis POS any day of the week and twice on sunday.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    I had an 05 hatchback LT. I also experienced the suspension noise/squeaks and the speedo discrepancy (mine was off approx. 5 mph when displaying 60 mph). However, I did not have the A/C odor issue...but the body began slowly dis-assembling itself after 20K miles. I sold it atr 34K miles.
  • jmysteryjmystery Posts: 3
    I guess that I should have paid the extra in the beginning. I looked at a new Toyota Corolla in 06.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    My daughter has an 04 Corolla LE and absolutely loves it...No problems at all. But, she could be one of the lucky ones...you never know...
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    I see, GM is responsible to fix your squeeks and rattles? You bought a cheap econo car and you got what you paid for.

    The Corolla is a more up level car and is larger in size so you are not comparing apples to apples. Why didn't you get the sub-compact Yaris? Why did you decide not to support American companies and decide to jump on the Japanese bandwagon so quickly? If this happens to your Toyota are you going to come back to an American brand? You will probably find it exceptible then, right?
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    Just for the record, all Aveo's are completely made in Korea, and many of the Corollas are made domestically in the USA. So, the US worker benefits more from the Corolla than the Aveo.

    Also, I would think that any manufacturer should be responsible for correcting squeaks and rattles on any of their cars, while still in the warranty period...period...regardless of what price was charged.

    If you buy a 15 inch TV, shouldn't it receive the same channels as a 50 inch flatscreen?
  • randydriverrandydriver Posts: 262
    Love my Aveo have had it for 4 yrs. and it has been great and no problems.....50,000 miles on it now.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    I wasn't talking about supporting an American worker, I was talking about supporting an American company. Most people know the Aveo is not made in America just like Toyota's Lexus and Scian are shipped over from Japan. It is important nowadays for people to make a stand with American companies instead of making other countries rich.

    Is the Corolla made in America or Mexico? To me it doesn't matter to much because I am sure its domestic content is lower than the Chevy Cobalt which is at 80%. Toyota as a whole is less than 60% overall domestic content. Those American made Toyota's with largely imported parts take away from American companies who because of unions don't have the advantage of all the outsourcing that Toyota gets, not to mention the part-time workers with no benefits that Toyota largely employs and the way that they avoid states with unions.

    With the quality of cars on the market the last 10-years, there is so little difference in quality from brand to brand with its biggest obstacle for people to overcome is perception. No company has the best vehicle in every segment but overall there is really no bad car.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    Chevy Cobalt which is at 80%

    That's 80% North American Content, not necessarily USA content...it includes Canada and Mexico.

    In my opinion, I support companies that give American workers jobs. I live very close to Spartanburg, SC where BMW 's assembly plant is located. I can speak from personal experience just how much influence this company has had in my area, bringing in good paying jobs when other "American" companies in the same area were moving production to Mexico, China, Viet Nam, etc.

    Immediately down the road from BMW, Lear has a plant manufacturing seats for BMW...more well paying jobs. And, there are hundreds of other companies located here to service BMW as well. They located here at the same time the Textile companies...those USA companies...couldn't move overseas fast enough.

    Honda has created tons of jobs in Ohio, Nissan in Mississippi, Hyunda in Alabama, etc.

    All at the same time GM was exporting jobs.

    So, in my opinion, I could care less about buying a GM product so that Bob Lutz can get a few extra pennies in his bonus check.

    Go to your local Checy dealer and check out the window stickers to see the "North American" content on all their vehicles. Cleverly, they don't show just the USA content, so many folks think its USA content alone. You will find many models at 50% or less.

    I will give GM credit on the Malibu, as it is something like 95% North American content.

    However, every vehicle sold here is supported by a dealer network of local workers, regardless of manufacturer, so buying "American" makes little difference there.

    Now, I'm not attempting to persuade you to buy anything other than what you wish to purchase. If you feel strongly about buying from an American based company, then by all means, please do so. As for me, I plan to support the companies making an effort to give American workers jobs, so we can continue to have a middle class in this country.

    There is no "right or wrong" answer here...just personal preferences...
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    You are never going to win an educated argument with me regarding how these foreign companies have killed the American economy. There is no North American content on the Monroney sticker unless that recently changed it. It has always been callled domestic content and yes the Cobalt is 80% domestic content like it or not. Toyota as I mentioned has a low domestic content of about 50%, that's a fact not a wish. According to you Toyota is also not showing their domestic content either by as you say "Cleverly, they don't show just the USA content, so many folks think its USA content alone." Toyota's domestic content is no different then Fords in how they advertise it. By law no one can conveniently alter a Monroney for self serving reasons. Domestic means it comes from the U.S. and Canada. Canada has been historically considered domestic content for over 60-years and we trade with them on a daily basis with over one billion dollars of goods.

    To your other comment "You will find many models at 50% or less." Ok, what Chevy models are you talking about, please name them. Here is another area you need to research because the only one with a small domestic content is the Aveo at 8% which most people recognize as foreign just like the previous Geo division. All other vehicles are around 75% or higher.

    You think by having a BMW or Nissan plant down the road is good for the economy? Well how do you think those jobs came to be? You said that GM is leaving this country to build elsewhere namely Mexico. Have you figured out why? Do you know that they are forced to do that to stay in business because of these Japanese companies using their artificially valued Yen have come here on the cheap and also brought with them outside suppliers that changed the way American companies do business. Have you heard that most all of the 100-2500 small employee companies mainly in Detroit have went out of business because they aren't price competitive. American companies were forced to use outsourced suppliers to stay in business because thats what Nissan, Toyota, etc., are doing. Have you ever thought about why an auto plant closes other than a model isn't popular. Do you think a new Japanese auto plant is a fair trade in American economics? Not even close. Toyota is famous for hiring part-time workers at low wages and no benefits and chose poverished areas to build plants. They are well known to avoid states with UAW's. When an American auto company tries to outsource more parts UAW goes on strikes. Have you heard of the recent American Axle strike? UAW also prevents further consolidation of auto plants and employees. Toyota doesn't have $3000-4000 per car taken off right off the top to pay for employee benefits.

    So what I am saying is that this is not good for our country. Have you thought of where that profit goes that Toyota makes? It goes back to Japan to their banking institutions. Our banks would love that money to stay healthy but that's not the case. An investiment in an auto plant with a couple billion dollars is nothing but a short-term investment and is basically a way to take big money from our economy with a few workers who benefited. It's not apple to apples im afraid.
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