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BMW 3-Series 2006

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  • wstevecwstevec Posts: 126
    Woodcliff Lake, NJ - December 10, 2004…"The all-new 5th generation BMW 3 Series will make its North American debut at the 2005 New York International Auto Show and going on sale in the U.S. in spring of 2005." By the way has anyone placed an order yet? I plan on placing mine mid January but would like to have some pricing/ordering information. I imagine that they are currentyly being built in Germany rather than the 2005s. Thanks
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,726
    '05 production continues through January.. I think they start production on the new ones in February, with them going on sale in Germany in March..

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  • Talked to a salesperson at local BMW dealer today. Stated that the new 3 would be in showroom in February with delivery possible by May.
  • wstevecwstevec Posts: 126
    That's great news! Any price/order information? My dealer is pretty useless, it seems I have to keep him informed. Anyone got an American brochure? Thanks.
  • planomlplanoml Posts: 244
    The German prices are floating around. Compared to the 2005 German prices, there is a very small increase. As the options list is not available yet, we don't know what the net-net configuration price will be.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,726
    Please stop back and tell us if this happens.. North American debut of the E90 is supposed to be at the auto show in March.. I'd be surprised if any dealer has one in February, but it wouldn't be impossible.

     

    Salesmen at dealerships are usually the last to know the correct info.... but, stranger things have happened..

     

    regards,

    kyfdx

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  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    had a front page artice last week on the decline of the Dollar to the Euro, Yen ect..

     

    hopefully the E90 wil not follow suit IE Audi A6, LandRover LR3, and have had enormous new model price increases.

     

    DL
  • kyfdx,

    Actually, the sales person called me I believe to entice me into a x3; talked about new pricing for the 3.0 for 2005. I drove a 2.5 at his dealership a couple of months ago (2004) and just was not impressed. He then stated that they would "probably" have the new 3 in the showroom to "look at only" but could begin taking orders about then.

     

    Anyhow, how do people think the new 3 will compare to the new body A4 (audi). I am partial to the BMW, but don't want to be set on the 3 if the a4 has comparable equipment and performance for a perhaps lower price. Any thoughts?
  • m4d_cowm4d_cow Posts: 1,491
    well the new 3er is a complete redesign for sure, while the new a4 is just an update-facelift from the previous one.

    but the fact remains that audi is always better equipped, and comes w/ better material quality. engines on both cars will be practically the same, somewhere around 250 horses, the thing is a4 is heavier (current ones), making it slower in acceleration, so im looking forward to see if the new a4 will use lighter frame.

    and since the new a4 is more of a facelift id say the price wont rise as much, compared to bmw w/ its complete redesign.

    one thing thats gonna be a real pain is 330is will come w/ i-drive, itll make me think twice before buying it, though i think its quite easy to use its still a distraction the road.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "but the fact remains that audi is always better equipped, and comes w/ better material quality."

     

    Kind of subjective, and also depends on the specific models of cars being compared.

     

    "engines on both cars will be practically the same, somewhere around 250 horses,"

     

    On paper maybe, however, stat for stat, the BMW engines have always seemed to significantly out perform similarly rated Audi engines (except for the blown versions at altitude).

     

    "one thing thats gonna be a real pain is 330is will come w/ i-drive..."

     

    It is my understanding that iDrive will be an option on all E90s. Left to my own devices, it would make sense to me that BMW would only require iDrive on cars equipped with NAV.

     

    Since I certainly can live without NAV (unlike my directionally challenged wife), that would leave me with the option of not ordering iDrive, assuming that after a test drive or two I decide that I don't like it.

     

    Best Regards,

    Shipo
  • planomlplanoml Posts: 244
    I will not buy the car if i-drive is not an option I can opt out of. I have a friend that is on his third 745, due to i-drive related issues. This may be a very limited issue, but his second car caught on fire on his way home from the dealer. I have been a BMW owner for the last 10 years, and love everything about the car except i-drive.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Well, assuming my logic proves to be correct, unless you REALLY WANT a car with NAV, you will probably be able to opt out of iDrive. ;-)

     

    Best Regards,

    Shipo
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "but the fact remains that audi is always better equipped, and comes w/ better material quality."

     

    People kept saying how superior the Tourareg interior is to the BMW and competition. When I test drove it I was totally underwhelmed both inside and out. If people think of that as being heads and shoulders above the competition, I'm going back to cloth seats.

     

    I now do not believe Audi interiors are better than BMW interiors.
  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280
    The Touareg is sold as a VW.
  • Sure Audi's interiors are nicer than BMW's. Acura's new interiors are nicer too. You have seen the new X3 you call that high quality at a BMW level and price? Honda's $33K Pilot has better effort and execution than that.

     

    The new 5 series interior has been hit with the cost cutting pen also compared to the previous model. The new 3 series surely is not going to top the 5 series in materials since the 5 's a more upmarket car. Sorry, others don't live in the perfect utopia, find nothing at fault with BMW because your an owner of one. BMW has learned that I-drive has to be optional or they will be in deep doo-doo.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Nicer" is qualitative not quantitative. I think the new 5 series interior is nicer than the previous, the cockpit issue not withstanding.

     

    But after driving a Tourareg and hearing about how people rave about the interior I was not impressed. To me the VW/Audi/BMW interiors are on par, with the BMW being the most driver oriented.

     

    The X3 is in a different market. To me BMW wanted people to thing the interior could take some punishment. There is absolutely nothing worse than buying a vehicle such as a SUV and being afraid to rip the leather. There are no such worries with an X3 and I can appreciate that due to the "tougher" interior. The worse punishment an RX330 could have is a cold yogurt container on the leather.
  • bmwcccbmwccc Posts: 234
    Also the 2005.5 A4 has a new engine as well. A 3.2 FSI engine producing 255hp with 243 lb torque. This version will be out in the 2nd qtr with the 2006 model coming out in the 3rd/4th qtr with the S-Line package available and new options for interior etc. The 2005.5 version will not offer a manual, only Tiptronic. Maybe the 2006 will offer manual.

     

    So, I would say there are some major changes happening on the A4, the first being the 2005.5 A4 for the March/April version but to compare directly to the 2006 330i, you should wait and see all the available changes for the 2006 A4.

     

    I will look at the 2006 A4 if available at the time of release of the 330i but prob. will lean towards bmw for interior and exterior looks as well as performance etc.

     

    my 3 cents worth
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    "he 2005.5 version will not offer a manual, only Tiptronic. Maybe the 2006 will offer manual."

     

    In this performance segment of the market, not having a manual is a big flaw for the A4 3.2 FSI. This market is defined by the many who love their stick shifts. Definitely prefer the manual BMW E90 over the new tiptronic Audi A4.

     

    Also I am awaiting the e90s equipped with x3. I am sure the new x3 system is superior to Audi's quattro system.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,669
    Are you sure there will be no manual.

     

    As far as I've read only the A6 will forgo the manual.

     

    The new A4 offers a 5 or 6 spd manual with all engines, a CVT for FWD and an optional 6spd auto sport tiptronic for quattro models.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    RE:"not having a manual is a big flaw"

     

    unfortunatly doing a inventory check of Dallas area BMW and Audi dealers they stock less than 1% manuals and for the most part require a special order, which is fine with me.However i can see where 95% of buyer are not driving enthusiast , but rather status buyer types could care less about a manual availablity.

     

    DL
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,669
    That might not be a bad thing. Some people just shouldn't drive manuals.

     

    I recently "took" a 330 from a rolling start in my 03 Accord I4 5spd. It was a mutual semi-race...he just couldn't shift into second properly. I felt embarrassed for him.

     

    I’m not delusional to think the I4 Accord should be mentioned in the same sentence as a 330…just to illustrate that for some people, a reality check is in order, and an automatic should have been.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    I personally think there's be a lot less problems on the road if everyone drove manuals. You need to know a little more about the car works and think about that you're doing.

     

    I was at a BMW dealer here in chicago, and there wan't a manual 3-series sedan in stock to test drive. The saab and merc dealers had 'em though (9-3 aero, 9-5 aero, and c230SS )

     

    I think the next a4 will have DSG instead of a 3-pedal arrangement. DSG is like SMG.

     

    dave
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Even if manuals are sold to a shrinking minority of North American enthusiasts, they should still exist.

     

    Is it mere coincidence that Lexus realized their mistake by belatedly introducing a manual IS300, the Infiniti's delay with a manual G35 and Acura's delay in providing a manual for the previous TL model.

     

    Germans listen to the Japanese! Dont be contrarians to the Japanese and remove stick shifts . Once the enthusiasts get disgruntled they will flee elsewhere.(Japanese competition)

     

    Although a minority of drivers are enthusiasts, they tend to be opinion leaders. If their opinions turn negative---many of the followers(majority of the population) will follow their lead and buy automatic versions of whatever manual models enthusiasts buy! This is why the Japanese provide tranny options for this specific performance segment of the industry. And this is why hisorically Germans were famous in this segment of the industry(it would be stupid if German automakers change and remove manual versions)
  • planomlplanoml Posts: 244
    will consist of a base 6 speed, available on both the 325 & 330. There will be an improved optional step. The 330 will also have an optional SMG. In later models there will be a VW DSG styled trans.

     

    I like the way BMW is giving us a lot of choices. If I could have my cake & eat it too, I would like the very early E90s to have the DSG style trans.
  • m4d_cowm4d_cow Posts: 1,491
    "On paper maybe, however, stat for stat, the BMW engines have always seemed to significantly out perform similarly rated Audi engines (except for the blown versions at altitude)."

     

    true, cos audi weighs a couple hundred pounds heavier than the bmw

     

    ivan99: well what can i say, stick drivers are minorities nowadays, even lots of teens have no clue on how to drive w/ stick.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "true, cos audi weighs a couple hundred pounds heavier than the bmw"

     

    2000 A4 vs. 2000 3-Series sedan weights (manual transmission):

     
    2000 A4 1.8t: 2998

    2000 323i: 3153

     

    2000 A4 2.8: 3164

    2000 328i: 3197

     

    I just chose these two models and that year at random, however, it seems that at least in this case, the BMWs were heavier.

     

    Best Regards,

    Shipo
  • bmwcccbmwccc Posts: 234
    I should specify I was only referring to the quattro for the new 2005.5 and 2006 model coming out next year.

     

    So my point was they only offer the Tiptronic for the 3.2 FSI quattro. And comparing that specifically to the 2006 330i.
  • bmwcccbmwccc Posts: 234
    Maybe on the 2006 model, for sure not on the 2005.5 model.

     

    That would peak my interest and would be a fair direct comparison to the A4 2006 3.2 FSI quattro.
  • Do you know if the new engines will be incorporated into the x3, x5 and 5 series? Meaning will the new 215 hp be the new base 2.5L in the x3? I am hoping to purchase a new x3 or x5 but am debating whether to wait to see if the new standard 3 series engines will be used in the x5 or x3. Thanks for any help you can provide.

     

    Jason

     

    PS I have a 04 325xi fully loaded and wouldn't trade it for the world! Only regret is not getting the extra hp. (330)
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    I learned on a manual. As an accident investigator i would have to say that we are sorley lacking in whats required for a drivers license compaired to lots of countries. Also i have noticed that far less manual drivers are involved in crashes.Its a little harder to put on make up, talk on cell phone, ect ect and try to control the vehicle.Me thinks technology isnt allways good.

     

    ill stay on topic next time, :)

    DL
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