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BMW 3-Series 2006

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  • wstevecwstevec Posts: 126
    Woodcliff Lake, NJ - December 10, 2004…"The all-new 5th generation BMW 3 Series will make its North American debut at the 2005 New York International Auto Show and going on sale in the U.S. in spring of 2005." By the way has anyone placed an order yet? I plan on placing mine mid January but would like to have some pricing/ordering information. I imagine that they are currentyly being built in Germany rather than the 2005s. Thanks
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,674
    '05 production continues through January.. I think they start production on the new ones in February, with them going on sale in Germany in March..

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  • Talked to a salesperson at local BMW dealer today. Stated that the new 3 would be in showroom in February with delivery possible by May.
  • wstevecwstevec Posts: 126
    That's great news! Any price/order information? My dealer is pretty useless, it seems I have to keep him informed. Anyone got an American brochure? Thanks.
  • planomlplanoml Posts: 244
    The German prices are floating around. Compared to the 2005 German prices, there is a very small increase. As the options list is not available yet, we don't know what the net-net configuration price will be.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,674
    Please stop back and tell us if this happens.. North American debut of the E90 is supposed to be at the auto show in March.. I'd be surprised if any dealer has one in February, but it wouldn't be impossible.

     

    Salesmen at dealerships are usually the last to know the correct info.... but, stranger things have happened..

     

    regards,

    kyfdx

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  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    had a front page artice last week on the decline of the Dollar to the Euro, Yen ect..

     

    hopefully the E90 wil not follow suit IE Audi A6, LandRover LR3, and have had enormous new model price increases.

     

    DL
  • kyfdx,

    Actually, the sales person called me I believe to entice me into a x3; talked about new pricing for the 3.0 for 2005. I drove a 2.5 at his dealership a couple of months ago (2004) and just was not impressed. He then stated that they would "probably" have the new 3 in the showroom to "look at only" but could begin taking orders about then.

     

    Anyhow, how do people think the new 3 will compare to the new body A4 (audi). I am partial to the BMW, but don't want to be set on the 3 if the a4 has comparable equipment and performance for a perhaps lower price. Any thoughts?
  • m4d_cowm4d_cow Posts: 1,491
    well the new 3er is a complete redesign for sure, while the new a4 is just an update-facelift from the previous one.

    but the fact remains that audi is always better equipped, and comes w/ better material quality. engines on both cars will be practically the same, somewhere around 250 horses, the thing is a4 is heavier (current ones), making it slower in acceleration, so im looking forward to see if the new a4 will use lighter frame.

    and since the new a4 is more of a facelift id say the price wont rise as much, compared to bmw w/ its complete redesign.

    one thing thats gonna be a real pain is 330is will come w/ i-drive, itll make me think twice before buying it, though i think its quite easy to use its still a distraction the road.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "but the fact remains that audi is always better equipped, and comes w/ better material quality."

     

    Kind of subjective, and also depends on the specific models of cars being compared.

     

    "engines on both cars will be practically the same, somewhere around 250 horses,"

     

    On paper maybe, however, stat for stat, the BMW engines have always seemed to significantly out perform similarly rated Audi engines (except for the blown versions at altitude).

     

    "one thing thats gonna be a real pain is 330is will come w/ i-drive..."

     

    It is my understanding that iDrive will be an option on all E90s. Left to my own devices, it would make sense to me that BMW would only require iDrive on cars equipped with NAV.

     

    Since I certainly can live without NAV (unlike my directionally challenged wife), that would leave me with the option of not ordering iDrive, assuming that after a test drive or two I decide that I don't like it.

     

    Best Regards,

    Shipo
  • planomlplanoml Posts: 244
    I will not buy the car if i-drive is not an option I can opt out of. I have a friend that is on his third 745, due to i-drive related issues. This may be a very limited issue, but his second car caught on fire on his way home from the dealer. I have been a BMW owner for the last 10 years, and love everything about the car except i-drive.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Well, assuming my logic proves to be correct, unless you REALLY WANT a car with NAV, you will probably be able to opt out of iDrive. ;-)

     

    Best Regards,

    Shipo
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "but the fact remains that audi is always better equipped, and comes w/ better material quality."

     

    People kept saying how superior the Tourareg interior is to the BMW and competition. When I test drove it I was totally underwhelmed both inside and out. If people think of that as being heads and shoulders above the competition, I'm going back to cloth seats.

     

    I now do not believe Audi interiors are better than BMW interiors.
  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280
    The Touareg is sold as a VW.
  • Sure Audi's interiors are nicer than BMW's. Acura's new interiors are nicer too. You have seen the new X3 you call that high quality at a BMW level and price? Honda's $33K Pilot has better effort and execution than that.

     

    The new 5 series interior has been hit with the cost cutting pen also compared to the previous model. The new 3 series surely is not going to top the 5 series in materials since the 5 's a more upmarket car. Sorry, others don't live in the perfect utopia, find nothing at fault with BMW because your an owner of one. BMW has learned that I-drive has to be optional or they will be in deep doo-doo.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Nicer" is qualitative not quantitative. I think the new 5 series interior is nicer than the previous, the cockpit issue not withstanding.

     

    But after driving a Tourareg and hearing about how people rave about the interior I was not impressed. To me the VW/Audi/BMW interiors are on par, with the BMW being the most driver oriented.

     

    The X3 is in a different market. To me BMW wanted people to thing the interior could take some punishment. There is absolutely nothing worse than buying a vehicle such as a SUV and being afraid to rip the leather. There are no such worries with an X3 and I can appreciate that due to the "tougher" interior. The worse punishment an RX330 could have is a cold yogurt container on the leather.
  • bmwcccbmwccc Posts: 234
    Also the 2005.5 A4 has a new engine as well. A 3.2 FSI engine producing 255hp with 243 lb torque. This version will be out in the 2nd qtr with the 2006 model coming out in the 3rd/4th qtr with the S-Line package available and new options for interior etc. The 2005.5 version will not offer a manual, only Tiptronic. Maybe the 2006 will offer manual.

     

    So, I would say there are some major changes happening on the A4, the first being the 2005.5 A4 for the March/April version but to compare directly to the 2006 330i, you should wait and see all the available changes for the 2006 A4.

     

    I will look at the 2006 A4 if available at the time of release of the 330i but prob. will lean towards bmw for interior and exterior looks as well as performance etc.

     

    my 3 cents worth
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    "he 2005.5 version will not offer a manual, only Tiptronic. Maybe the 2006 will offer manual."

     

    In this performance segment of the market, not having a manual is a big flaw for the A4 3.2 FSI. This market is defined by the many who love their stick shifts. Definitely prefer the manual BMW E90 over the new tiptronic Audi A4.

     

    Also I am awaiting the e90s equipped with x3. I am sure the new x3 system is superior to Audi's quattro system.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,663
    Are you sure there will be no manual.

     

    As far as I've read only the A6 will forgo the manual.

     

    The new A4 offers a 5 or 6 spd manual with all engines, a CVT for FWD and an optional 6spd auto sport tiptronic for quattro models.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    RE:"not having a manual is a big flaw"

     

    unfortunatly doing a inventory check of Dallas area BMW and Audi dealers they stock less than 1% manuals and for the most part require a special order, which is fine with me.However i can see where 95% of buyer are not driving enthusiast , but rather status buyer types could care less about a manual availablity.

     

    DL
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