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VW Passat TDI

I heard rumors about VW putting out a diesel version of its Passat. If this is true, sign me up. I have been looking for the diesel version of a quality vehicle like the Passat for a long time now and hopefully it will come true. Any ideas?
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  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    yes, it's about time. The last Passat had a diesel option.
  • idletaskidletask Posts: 171
    It will be interesting to see that. The Passat exists with 3 Diesel engines here: 100, 130 and 155hp.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    the most hp of course!

    or torque, I guess its diesel here...
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    it is 130 1.9 TDi (155 is V6 TDi), which is coming this fall.

    Krzys
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    excellent! 5 speed avail I hope .....any mpg figures?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    5 speed yes, but only automatic.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    OH THAT MAKES no sense
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    The 2.5L V6 TDI makes 150 bhp
  • argentargent Posts: 176
    In European trim, the 2.5L V-6 Passat diesel is rated 150 hp, with 228 lbs-ft of torque at 1500 rpm, getting 54.3 mpg on the European extra-urban fuel economy cycle and 41.5 on the European combined cycle. As a point of comparison, the SEAT Toledo (a SEAT-badged version of the Jetta/Bora sedan) with the 1.9L four-cylinder TDI engine has 110 hp, 173 lbs-ft of torque, and rates 54.3 mpg on the combined cycle.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    is that for a stick or a auto...also what are the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    04 TDI's.
    VW will be offering the following engines for '04, 1.9 Liter PD, 100 HP (New Beetle, Golf and Jetta), 2.0 Liter twin-cam, 134 HP (New Passat, with an SOP of 45/03), 5.0 Liter V10, 310 HP (New Touareg SUV, SOP week 45/03).

    All of these engines will be "45 State" legal and can't be sold in CA, MA, NY, VT, and ME which all adhere to "CA emission Standards".

    This may change because California is looking at their current (diesel) standards and may roll the back due to their impact on this issue.

    VW is working on this problem an anticipates a "50 state car" at some point.
  • I was reading in the WSJ about VW rolling out new models. Do you mean by "New Passat" an entirely redesigned model? I hope it is as nice at the current model.

    2.0L TDI? Is this a new engine? I am ecstatic about a TDI Passat.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    2004 Passat will be same body style as current with newly available 2.0L TDI engine. This is a good thing. Buying a first year entirely new model from VW is just asking for problems and the Passat will be all new in 2005 or 2006 at the latest. The TDI is a great engine and has a good reliability history, so the new 2.0 TDI in the Passat should be an excellent risk.
    The 1996 and 1997 Passat diesels still sell for a premium.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    the get really good mpg too.
  • argentargent Posts: 176
    The Passat 2.5L V-6 TDI has the following official numbers, per VW's British website.

    6-speed: 0-62 mph: 9.6s; top speed: 137 mph; 40.4 mpg (combined cycle)
    5-sp. auto: 0-62 mph: 10.7s; top speed: 133 mph; 34.9 mpg (combined cycle)

    For the 1.9L TDI PD four-cylinder, it's:

    6-speed: 0-62 mph: 10.2s; top speed: 125 mph; 47.1 mpg (combined cycle)
    5-sp. auto: 0-62 mph: 11.9s; top speed: 122 mph; 38.7 mpg (combined cycle)

    The 1.9 TDI PD is also available with a 6-speed and 4Motion (Quattro) AWD, which slows 0-62 mph acceleration to 10.5s, costs 3 mph in top speed, and 4.3 mpg in the combined cycle.

    Note that these are official VW test numbers, and acceleration times are 0-100 kph (62 mph); 0-60 mph would be a tick or two quicker.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    they oughta consider revising the gearing a bit, to drop the 0-60, and the top speed....we don't need a diesel commuter car to go 140mph on an autobahn in the US..

    40 mpg is killer tho
  • argentargent Posts: 176
    Keep in mind that diesels -- especially the modern turbodiesels -- are less about high-end power and dragstrip acceleration times, and more about torque. In normal, low-rpm driving, they're more muscular than a lot of petrol engines with more rated top-end horsepower. The 1.9 TDI PS engine, for example, may have only 130 hp, which seems anemic compared to a lot of 2-2.5L petrol engines, but it has 228 lbs-ft of torque at only 1900 rpm, which is more than many petrol engines of similar displacement EVER develop.
  • Argent is right. A turbo diesel is very well suited to the general type of driving we do here. It's all about touque and little about horsepower. I don't need a car that will run the quarter mile, but I do want the oomph to get moving smartly while getting very good milage. Diesels are the only way in my mind to get both.
  • They sold a handful of 1998 Passats with the TDI engine, you could always try finding a used one
  • 8u6hfd8u6hfd Posts: 1,391
    and...you want more torque?

    Add a chip or a tuning box (though the tuning box tends to interfere with the MFA a bit)
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    Imperial galon is bigger than US one. Roughly 25%.

    Krzys

    PS US and British mile are identical - how come ?
  • idletaskidletask Posts: 171
    When will the US switch to the metric system, eh? :)

    The end of all conversion problems! US and UK are the only two countries that I know of to persist with the foot/inch/mile system. And they even can't agree on the definition of the gallon ;)
  • argentargent Posts: 176
    Okay, let's convert these numbers to U.S. mpg. Using the metric numbers (courtesy volkswagen.fr in this case), we find the following numbers, first in liters/100 km (European comibned cycle) and then in U.S. mpg:
    (first number is 6-speed, second is Tiptronic)
                                l/100k -- mpg
    Passat Sport 1.9 TDI 130: 5.6/7.1 -- 42.2/33.3
    Passat Carat 2.5 TDI V-6: 6.9/8.0 -- 34.3/29.6

    Not as impressive as the Imperial mpg, but not bad.
  • ...better than what we get with the V6 for sure.

    Just realized that '98 was the first year for the current body style. A used Passat TDI would be acceptable for the time being...
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,350
    I am somewhat surprised that the mileage is as much lower with Tiptronic than with a 6-speed, since diesels tend to be torque monsters. Is the gearing radically different or is the combined cycle heavy on start and stop?

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • argentargent Posts: 176
    The gearing is not radically different; I think the 5-speed Tiptronic eats a lot of power. It's not an especially efficient transmission, and I've heard that even VW engineers are not pleased with it. The amount of performance it costs is substantial -- nearly a second in 0-60 times even with the V-6 -- which suggests that its mechanical efficiency is not so good.
  • vgc79vgc79 Posts: 1
    After looking at several reviews, it looks like Audi has a good thing going with its CVT. Some reviews said it has shaved a second off 0-60 mph and way more fuel efficient than the Tiptronic. Is there any technical reason why it would not work on a diesel passat?
  • idletaskidletask Posts: 171
    The Passat has this very particular design feature that while it's a FWD car, its engines are mounted longitudinally. The hood not being that long and high, it restricts the choice for engine/transmissions combos. Maybe that's why there is no CVT?
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,350
    I had heard that CVT transmissions were until recently limited to use in smaller cars because of limitations in their torque handling capabiliy. In fact their use with the Audi 3 liter engine was considered a breakthrough.

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • argentargent Posts: 176
    The only reason VW does not use the Multitronic CVT on the Passat is probably cost, production, and/or image-related. Audi DOES offer Multitronic with the 2.5L TDI V-6 on A4 and A6 models. Since the current Passat shares its platform with those cars, there's no technical reason it couldn't use it as well.

    The diesel V-6, with 228 lbs-ft of torque, represents about the limits of the Multitronic transmission's present torque capacity, however, and Audi still has not worked out how to make the CVT compatible with Quattro, so it's only used in FWD applications.

    Future Passats are rumored to be returning to a transverse engine layout, so the W8 engine and the bigger Audi engines will no longer fit. VW AG will probably develop a version of Multitronic for transverse engine layouts, so I'd expect it to appear on Golfs and Passats as well as Audis at some point.

    I imagine they're working on making it compatible with Quattro, although they haven't gotten it sorted yet. In any case, future transverse-engine Passats would have to use the Haldex all-wheel drive system (like the European-spec Golf 4Motion) rather than Quattro, so that might present even more complications.

    (The brand names are a little bit confusing. "Quattro" and "4Motion" are used generically for Audi and VW all-wheel drive cars, but only longitudinal-engine models -- A4/A6/Passat/A8 -- use the Audi Quattro system. transverse-engine models like the Audi A3/S3/TT and the Golf actually use the Haldex system, whatever the badge says.)
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