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VW Passat TDI

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  • dieselbreathdieselbreath Posts: 243
    I agree about the Passat. And everyone knows that VW, like other makers, builds different versions in different countries for models that are produced in multiple locations.
    But its been my understanding that all Passats came from one factory (one line actually) and you simply can't economically produce multiple models on one production line at the same time.
    It makes sense for new Golfs to be manufactured in Germany and "debugged" at home before replicating the production line elsewhere (which takes a lot of time and money for tooling).

    You see that with Nissan of Mexico building the prior generation of everything that Nissan of Japan is building. I think in their case they don't duplicate the production line ... they simply ship the old one over after the new one if operational back home (in Japan)

    I think it would be very wise of VW to start up a second Passat line, since they can't keep up with demand now. But that is logical thinking, something that is seen too rarely from large multi-national corporations. But if the taxi companies ever clue into the Passat TDI, (VW should build a special model with tough vinyl seats and door panels) they could consume all North America bound production and then some. (simple math indicates that for a given gas price, there is a monthly mileage figure where a new Passat is free compared to fueling up a Chev Lumina given roughly half the fuel consumption in city driving -- and I believe that MANY taxis exceed that mileage figure)
  • dieselbreathdieselbreath Posts: 243
    following my prior post: (simple math indicates that for a given gas price, there is a monthly mileage figure where a new Passat is free compared to fueling up a Chev Lumina given roughly half the fuel consumption in city driving -- and I believe that MANY taxis exceed that mileage figure)

    Given a price of $2 per gallon, and a lease price of $400 per month ($0 down @ 3.9%), a driver spending $800/month on fuel could get the new car free.
    At 20 MPG for the current taxi (such as a Lumina), that's 400 gallons or 8000 miles per month, or << 300 miles per day. For cab companies that operate 24/7 in a city, that is common mileage.

    So, a Passat can indeed be free compared to its competition as a taxi: Lumina, Crown Vic, etc.

    And that's completely ignoring the fact that diesel is typically cheaper than gas (its 80% of the cost of Regular here) and the car will last longer and have a higher resale value compared to the alternatives.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    There are already diesel vehicles offered for use as Taxi in North America. London Taxi and Dodge Sprinter.

    If Diesel Passats are used as Taxi then there are fewer available for the rest of us. I can't recommend the Passat as a Taxi.
  • Classic VW in Orlando, Fl is advertising $21,487 in today's paper for the GL-TDI, which is $300 above invoice. When I looked at a Jetta TDI, they were offering it for 1250 below invoice with the trade-in of my 12 yr old car. In short go elsewhere if they won't deal.
  • weebil1weebil1 Posts: 10
    Thanks for the tip. I took a look on their website, and the car isn't available. The problem with "go elsewhere" seems to be availability at this point. My local dealer says they are only getting 4 cars. I do know they are using this to hook in some people on the regular gas Passats. I found on in Texas, but after tax and shipping, it wasn't any cheaper (No sales tax in Oregon).
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    Can you buy the Passat TDI in Germany and bring it back after a driving vacation? I thought about that for a new MB E320 CDI.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    VW no longer offers European delivery.
  • ncskibumncskibum Posts: 42
    The dealer here in Charlotte is sticking to the MSRP. Nothing over or under. They also won't budge much on the trade-in. I am waiting on a call to see if they come up any more on my trade. I am still wavering between the Passat TDI and Jetta wagon TDI. Only about $1400 difference between the two they have on their lot. Maybe by Friday morning, I will be driving a new VW TDI (my second) instead of an Avalanche.
  • Go in on the last day of the month and see if they'll deal. If they haven't made their quota for Q2 they might be willing to deal. Can't believe they are not dealing. Sales are off y/y but then again they might be milking the price on the only product they have that is moving right now.
  • machaanmachaan Posts: 30
    ..wait till next winter. All diesel cars are notoriously slow in warming the interior. So if you are in Midwest or North-East it not not worth the few fuel dollars saved.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    My TDI has started in -50 F with no need of heater or garage. The interior was warm very quick as it has heated seats. Toasty. There was heat in the interior w/in 3 miles.
    For those who can not wait even a few miles, there is www.tdiheater.com, me I don't need it.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    My TDI has started in -50 F with no need of heater or garage. The interior was warm very quick as it has heated seats. Toasty. There was heat in the interior w/in 3 miles.
    For those who can not wait even a few miles, there is www.tdiheater.com, me I don't need it.
  • champ203champ203 Posts: 4
    Took delivery of 04 Passat GLS TDI 2 weeks ago. 1000 miles later - tank one 32 mpg tank two 37 mpg. First tank was pretty much city driving. Second tank highway/interstate driving. Car exceeds my expectations. We bought it without even driving one (a first for us). Paid sticker (ouch). This is our 3rd VW (98 Jetta, 02 Eurovan). The radio (Monsoon with changer in trunk) is the best factory stereo we've ever heard!! So far this car is exceeding our expectations!! Email me if you have any specific questions.

    Peace,
    Don<><
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,456
    USA Today likes the Passat.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2004-06-10-vw-- tdi_x.htm

    They do say that it will only be here for one year. Is this true?
  • oldboyoldboy Posts: 59
    I too was sorry to read that the Passat TDI may only be available this year. Volkswagen has been keeping diesel cars alive here in the USA, but they are limiting availability. We have such high sulfer fuel that it makes it nearly impossible to provide a clean diesel car, even with EGR. Ironically California has lower-sulfer fuel available, but they won't allow new diesel cars to be sold there! Nor can new diesels be sold in the N.E. states that have adopted CA standards. By mid-2006 we will have ULSD (15 ppm) widely available, and it will be possible to provide low-polluting diesels then. However at that time new restrictions on emissions are coming into place, and it is not known if diesels will be allowed to be sold. Who knows what our politicians will do, with legislation that restricts people's choices? Given this uncertainty, it is no wonder that Volkswagen is taking a wait-and-see attitude.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...that the combination of the ULSD and the technology that they are now working on to meet the next level of EU emission standards will do the trick. But you're right, there are no guarantees. What VW and MB are doing in the labs right now, with Bosch and others as partners, seems to indicate that they will make the '07 national standards with some room to spare. But CARB in particular keeps moving the bar - we'll see...
  • I have been driving diesel cars since 1969. Your statement that "all diesel cars are notoriously slow in warming the interior" is simply NOT TRUE! Where did you get that mis-information?
  • jchagtdijchagtdi Posts: 55
    This is all relative. In cold weather (-5 to 15 F), my '03 Golf TDI would take 10-15 minutes before the heater would blow anything other than ice cold air. The warmer the ambient temperature, the less time it took to warm the interior. My '89 NON-turbo diesel Jetta would never heat up in cold weather like that.

    Regarding future availability of TDI Passats, we can look to the past. VW imported their B4 Passat TDI for the last two years the car was sold in the USA, 1996 and 1997. And nothing until '04. I would assume there will be no problems with getting an '05 Passat TDI, but I'm not expecting the next-gen Passat to be sold in the US with a diesel. There were many people who waited for the B5 (1998+) Passat diesel, but they waited 6 model years.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 15,160
    Yes, on the subject of #2 diesel availability, it was a passing concern of mine before getting a 2003 Jetta TDI. Any where that I have gone, (31,000 miles) I have NEVER once had an instance where I did not or could not get fuel. Some numbers indicate that diesel is sold at 1 out of 4 stations.
  • Yep, and regarding your first paragraph the same is true of a gasoline engine.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    I don't have any experience with TDI but on our Ford 350s with the Power Stroke Diesel we have an attached unit that kicks the engine idle up to 1200 rpm. The manufacturer claims that they should idle at that rpm range to keep warm enough in extreme cold temperatures. At 40 below they don't heat up as fast as the one gas PU we have. They last a lot longer before overhaul. Our service vehicles idle 12 hours a day in the winter. They may get 10-20 miles of driving in that period. Gas engines do not hold up under those conditions. I was against diesel until I experienced the difference in longevity.
  • jchagtdijchagtdi Posts: 55
    Are you saying that a diesel takes no longer to warm up than a gasoline engine?

    If so, this has not been my experience. Me and a friend tested this one day last winter. It was a very cold morning (5 F) and my Golf TDI and my friends Jetta gasser had be sitting all night. We wanted to see what the difference was in time to heat the passenger compartment. After going 6 city blocks to reach the freeway entrance, my friends gas powered Jetta was already throwing warm air. After 1 mile on the highway it was blowing hot air. It took another 7 miles before the TDI blew anything but freezing air.

    To say that a diesel and gas car will take the same amount of time to heat when very cold is misleading to the folks reading this forum.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 15,160
    If the expectation is for the diesel equipt engine for the heaters to heat as fast or faster than the gasser, you will be disappointed.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    My Jetta takes four miles before hot air begins blowing. Most of my gassers take about two. This is starting up, about 1/2 mile of slow speed driving and then 55-65mph country road driving. If I plug in my TDI heater, then the temp guage goes straight to 190F and heat blows immediately. If I drove short distances or just around town, I likely would not drive a diesel. The gassers will heat-up just sitting and idling where a diesel will not.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,233
    After going 6 city blocks to reach the freeway entrance, my friends gas powered Jetta was already throwing warm air. After 1 mile on the highway it was blowing hot air. It took another 7 miles before the TDI blew anything but freezing air.

    So in essence it's taking about 9 miles before your buddys TDI even blows warm air? He better have it checked out because mine takes about four miles. If I'm working in my home town office, my entire drive is only ten miles. My TDI is completely heated and I've turned the heat down to low at about the six mile mark. This was before I installed a TDI heater which gives me instant heat. Are you guys testing this using the method explained in the owners manual for maximum heating?

    Another thing I've found is that I don't turn the blower on until the temperature gauge starts to move upward. If you're running the blower hard right off from the start, you'll actually delay heating a diesel because you're moving cold air acrossed the coolant. You can also insulate the coolant pipes in the front radiator to help keep the cold air from further chilling the coolant.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,166
    If you live in a cold climate I cannot imagine you would park outside and not plug your vehicle in. Especially overnight. It is much easier on the battery, starter & engine. Then as has been said you get warm air immediately.
  • dolphindolphin Posts: 71
    Does anyone know the real story about the 2005's? Will there be TDI's for the 2005 Passat wagons?
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,456
    Hopefully there are TDI's for '05, and hopefully with a manual transmission.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Yes they will be available in 05 and they are same as in 2004. There is 5 speed tiptronic transmission only.
  • No, actually I agree that it takes a little longer to warm up, but I don't think it is enough difference to warrant a warning to summer diesel buyers and the statement that "it is not worth the few dollars saved on fuel". If it is that cold plug it in at night. I would do that even in the South if the temperature is going to be in the 20's or lower.
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