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VW Passat TDI

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  • mkarpmkarp Posts: 22
    When is VWOA going to release the prices for the passat tdi? Are they still going to be available in April?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    VWOA has already released pricing. The dealers have the information. Also, even www.KBB.com has the pricing listed on it's site.
    The Passat TDI is still scheduled to arrive by end of March.
  • I was just out at my local VW dealer yesterday to put in my pre-order on a Passat TDI wagon. I was told May/June for the arrival of the first TDI cars. But the sense from the dealer was early to mid summer.

    Pricing/options is available from your local dealer, some may even take a "pre-order".

    BTW, there is a recent article regarding the new particulate filter and low emissions on the new TDI, check out vwvortex.com.
  • I just skimmed this thread. I e-mailed the local VW dealer in Houston and was told the 2004 diesel passat would be available in April or May.

    Does anyone know what what mileage the Passat will get on the city/highway ?

    Why is VW introducing a 2004 car only 4-5 months before the 2005 car will arrive ? I'm hoping for serious discounts on the 2004 when the 2005 arrive especially in a town that hates diesel.

    Are there any reliability concerns with this second generation diesel ? I had a 1982 diesel jetta that was indestructible and got 50 mph on the freeway, but was noisy, smelly and woefully underpowered. It seems the new diesels have cured the traditional problems with diesels. I'm wondering if they will still be indestructible.
  • mike91326mike91326 SoCalPosts: 245
    I was planning on buying a Passat TDI when they came out but I have heard that they won’t be sold in California (I live in LA) until 2006. I’m now thinking of flying over to Las Vegas to purchase it and then drive it back to LA. Does anyone know if I would have any problems registering the car in California? Is there anything California can do with the car?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    2004 VW TDI do not meet the California emissions requirements. They are not CA certified for emissions. CA will not register a 2004 TDI.
  • jchagtdijchagtdi Posts: 55
    2004 TDIs do not comply with CARB (California Air Resource Board) emission requirements. So, it cannot be certified for sale in any state that uses CARB standards. Because it cannot be sold new in these states, the respective Departments of Motor Vehicles will not register a new '04 TDI. Once an '04 TDI reaches 7500 miles, it is then considered a 'used' vehicle, and can be registered in a CARB state. CARB has left a loophole wide enough to drive a TDI through!! The only problem is getting to 7500. Some happen to be fortunate and have a second home/address in a non-CARB state, so they get to drive a new TDI and not feel guilty about anything. The rest in CARB Kingdom have to either suffer without new TDIs, or scheme a way to skirt the rules.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    "California Law also prohibits a California resident or business from driving their vehicle to obtain in excess of 7,500 miles."
  • weaponousweaponous Posts: 38
    I have heard that the 2005 New Passat will not be available until April of 2005, similar to the launch of the 2001.5 which I believe debuted in March 2001. There will be a 2005 Passat released in September similar to 2001.5+ models.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    The current Passat including the TDI will continue until at least very late summer 2005. New body style will be a 2006 model year.
  • Basically, the consensus is that VW is introducing the Passat TDI only 18 months to 2 years before the whole Passat family will be redesigned. Is this correct ?

    Any idea of gas mileage numbers ?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    VW institutes running changes during the model year on it's vehicles so it is not unusual to have something new introduced outside of changes in model year.
    I'd estimate 28 mpg city and 38 mpg highway for the Passat TDI. Will have to wait for the official numbers.
  • weaponousweaponous Posts: 38
    Houstonken - Moparbad could be right, the new body style may not be released until Sept 2005 as the 2006, rather than a 2005.5. But it is true, you've got less than 2 years to pick up the existing TDI body style.

    They should have built it a long time ago, didn't see demand for it I guess
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    VW has always built Passat Diesels - what's "new" is they are finally releasing it in the U.S.. VW offers a variety of diesel engines and drive train configurations in other markets. You can get a Passat diesel wagon with 4Motion and a six speed manual in Europe. You can get a Quattro Audi A6 diesel and the V10 diesel in our Touareg is available in the Audi A8. My BMW X5 is available in Europe with an excellent diesel. Mercedes put a diesel in thier first AMG car this year, a C230 coupe with a high performance diesel engine.

    VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes have a variety of high performance diesel engines available in Europe. The main reason we don't see them is because of our high sulfer diesel fuel - this should be corrected by 2006 when federal law mandates low sulfer diesel in the U.S..

    I have an 03 Jetta TDI wagon with an automatic that has made me a diesel fanatic. I'm definately planning to trade my 01 X5 for the next generation Passat TDI wagon in a couple years.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Passat TDI was offered in 1996 and 1997 and certified for 1998 and dropped at the last minute by VW. It is amazing how high the residual values are for the 1996-7 year Passat TDI. The wagon in excellent condition still brings over $10,000.
  • jowettjowett Posts: 12
    Was at the B.C. auto show yesterday , checked out the new Passat tdi and obtained the official Transport Canada mpg figures for it.

    8.7 l/100 kms city ( 32 mpg imperial or about 27mpg U.S.)

    5.7 l/100 kms highway( 50 mpg imperial or about 42 mpg U.S.)
    I have found in the past that the converted figures are almost identical to the official U.S.figures when they come out.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    Those are excellent MPG figures. I'm looking forward to test driving a diesel Passat when they come out. I have an 03 diesel Jetta wagon that a perfect commuter.

    As for actually purchasing a TDI Passat - the main reason I won't consider the current Passat TDI is the next generation Passat will be here in a year or so and I can wait. The next generation Passat has a 2" longer wheelbase that's all in the back seat - huge incentive to wait.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    News is that the Passat TDI is expected to be at some dealers this week. It is at port now.
  • Should have brought my digital camera.
    It looks exactly like the other passats inside, but under the hood has the longitudinal engine with a big engine cover with cross-wise ridges mimicking an intake manifold.
    The engine is very compact .... you can see the wheels and ground past the engine ... not a totally jammed engine compartment like the Audi S4-Avant and RS6 that I checked out too.
    But they're still not expecting official delivery until June for regular orders.

    BTW: The Audi dealers claim they'll be selling diesel A4s and maybe A6s as 2005 models late this year. And I filled out a questionaire on diesel powerplants that asked (amongst other things) "how much of a premium would you pay for a diesel powered vehicle" ... but this wasn't VW or Audi ... it was BMW doing the poll! Plus Mercedes is taking orders on the diesel-powered SMART cars they'll be delivering in September.
  • Thanks for the link!

    I'm surprised that 24% of Golf sales are TDIs in the US.

    Did you see the report (10 months ago) "Ricardo reports first significant signs of Americans buying diesel cars" here http://www.ricardo.com/mediaCentre/newsArticle.asp?id=114&sec- tor=4 ???

    It looks like diesel awareness is spreading.
    Does anyone know how the diesel Jeep Liberty is selling?
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,918
    Hey dieselbreath - I like your user ID, and your profile is an interesting read. I noticed you've been a member for awhile, and I'm glad you've started posting. I enjoyed your review of the Chrysler 300C, and it sounds like you've got a lot to add to the VW perspectives. Welcome to Future Vehicles!

    As for the Liberty, I don't think it's available yet. I did some searches (including jeep.com) and couldn't find anything but reviews - but not from consumers. I got the impression that it won't be available til this fall, but I could easily be mistaken.

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  • I haven't been posting (or reading) for a few months. My business is taking off and we'll be short-staffed till I can afford to staff up, so I'm working 6 or 7 days a week till late. But it was exciting to finally sit in a TDI Passat, though not as exciting as it will be drive one!

    RE Chrysler 300 ... I was wondering if you had one of those and watched for a wrecked Sprinter van to sourche the 2.7 CDI engine, then once the DC warantee runs out the turbo-diesel should just bolt up to the tranny (although motor mounts and exhaust & coolant plumbing may have to be customized).....
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    dieselbreath Mar 26, 2003 1:54am

    How is your Passat TDI Wagon? How long have you had it? It has been a while since you ordered it in March of 2003. I feel cheated in the US since we still do not have the Passat TDI and you have had them since Sept. 2003 in Canada.
  • gcarpergcarper Posts: 2
    Went by the Dealer today and drove a 2004 Passat TDI Wagon here in Fairfax VA....very impressed with the power...window sticker was 28,600 with heated leather seats, monsoon, alloys & moon roof. I reset the trip computer before the trip and got 35MPG in mixed driving from a cold start. I tried to trade by 2001.5 wagon with the same specs...we couldn't agree on pricing so I will most likely end up in a 2004 Toyota Prius...for several reasons --I have had it with dealer, (sales and service) plus I can drive the prius in the HOV lanes here in Northern Virginia, plus the $4000 tax rebate!!!!...also Prius has HID lights, Climate control and Navigation, bluetooth etc and I still can get it for less than the Passat TDI, that doesn't have any of that stuff....Man I wanted this thing so bad....but I have had enough of the take it or leave it attitude ...looks like I will be shopping on ebay tonight.. If VW North America was smart they would take the Prius technology and marry it to the TDI and kick butt in North America!!!! I have a hard time paying almost 30,000 USD for a car without Navigation or HID headlights or Climate control...VW wake up...and take your PHAETON (or whatever it is called) and spend the money in R& D and Marketing for the US consumer.

    This would have made my 5th VW and my 3rd Diesel.....sorry I am going to defect to the Hybrid crowd... HYBRIDVORTEX just doesn't have a ring to it.....
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...about value vs price on a Passat TDI vs the new Prius. I too am considering both cars, and the price of the VW gives one real pause, plus all of the negatives about the dealer body as a whole and the likelihood of needing the dealer to solve more problems down the line.

    However, you'd better be prepared to be patient in taking delivery of a Prius - in many parts of the country, a realistic estimate is 12-18 months depending on what options and color you're willing to settle for, with no sign that supply is going to catch up with demand any time soon.
  • rickroverrickrover Posts: 602
    I'm looking forward to test driving a Passat diesel wagon. I have a Jetta TDI that's turned me into a diesel fanatic. I put a lot of miles on my Jetta, this gas crunch hasn't phased me in the least. I get just under 40 mpg in mostly in-town driving and it's an automatic.

    I wouldn't be concerned about problems with a Passat diesel, I had a 2000 Passat 1.8t that never gave me a single problem in 60k miles and now this 03 TDI Jetta wagon has 15k miles with no problems what-so-ever. Plus the diesel engine in the Passat isn't new, it's been available in Europe for years.
    I'm not about to trade the 03 for the Passat TDI, I know I wouldn't be happy with the trade $$ and the Jetta is fine for now. I'm waiting for the next generation Passat TDI wagon to come out in late 05 or 06 - I'll be all over that.

    The Prius is a fantastic package, interior room is amazing. I'd still wait for some other version of Toyota's Hybrid technology like the Highlander. I need more cargo room than the Prius provides - a hybrid Highlander would be perfect.

    What would really be cool is if VW made a diesel hybrid - 90 MPG!
  • I agree w/ your thoughts about the Prius and VW - and also looked at both cars (Prius and Jetta).

    I settled on the Jetta for a couple of reasons:
    1. I will be doing more highway driving than in-town and in-town is where the hybrids really shine mileage wise.

    2. I just don't trust the hybrid engines yet. I'm sure they are good quality - and Toyota / Honda has a good reputation - but I really question how these small, small engines will stand up to 80k, 100k, 150k miles. I just can't see these as serious, high mile commuter vehicles.

    Maybe in 5 years I'll be proved wrong - but I think it will be that long before this technology proves itself.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    A Passat TDI GL Wagon is $24,635 and a Passat 1.8T GL Wagon is $24,430. A $200 increase. Hybrid technology is said to add from $2000 to over $6000 to a vehicle AND the hybrid technolgy is being subsidized by the manufacturers. Diesel technology is much less of an increase.
    In my opinion I could not justify buying any Passat other than the TDI. It is simply the best value if you are buying a VW.
  • karl1karl1 Posts: 2
    I have read that in 2006 there will be new diesel standards in North America for emissions. Does anyone know how this will affect VW TDI engines? Will older ones still run? Will newer ones (after 2006) be considerably different? I'm currently saving up for a TDI, should I wait an extra year?
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