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Lexus RX 330



  • You quote the manufacturer published 0-60 times then tell us what you are capable of doing..... what are you a race car driver? :)

    Seriously, are you timing yourself while you put these cars through their paces? Or do you have a few friends with stop watches and radar guns? Since in the RX the passenger really can not see the guages in the instrument cluster, I don't guess there is someone sitting there with a Timex.

    Since you don't own a RX yet, is someone really letting you rag thiers out?

    I am not sure about the poor seating position - I'm 6'2" 185# and have no trouble. In fact I think it is quite comfortable. Why would you consider getting an RX after citing the poor performance, conservative "errors", and the poor seating position? You might prefer the MDX with the all familiar Honda components and faux wood trim everywhere.
  • Since my accident of 7/23, the body shop has informed me that some parts are on "national" back-order. I guess that's the downside to driving a new model. If only I hadn't been watching a DVD.....those darn BMW films!!
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Actually what I find interesting is that the Sienna and RX both have been tested by car mags at 7.8 seconds. The Sienna is bigger, heavier and less aerodynamic. Maybe the transmissions have different ratios? I figured they must have tested a ringer Sienna since it even out-accelerates the lighter and more powerful Odyssey.
  • I am sorry if I offended some by pointing out some shortcomings of the RX 330. My intent was to provide objective information and solicit clarification on a few issues.
    The RX 330 is a great vehicle - possible the best we've seen in this class. Just because there is room for improvement, doesn't mean we should pretend that it is perfect.
    Getting back the the point in question....the acceleration seems to be overstated - more so than some of the competition. Times from 0-60 are always a source of argument because nobody in just about any car is able to get the times the car magazines, let alone the manufacturers, supposedly achieve. The times are, however, often used to compare vehicles - even by those who refute the numbers. In this case, a comparison of the RX with the MDX would lead one to believe that the RX does 0-60 faster when, in fact, it is actually noticeable slower.
    I am not a race car driver. If I were, then maybe I could get the RX to go from 0-60 in 7.6 seconds like some magazines. My time (8.8) is over a full second slower. I don't think that is splitting hairs or talking about tenths of seconds. With the MDX I am closer, but still over what the car magazines get.
    The RX has the best fit and finish in the class and it handles well to - better than the MDX. I already own a 2003 MDX (for my wife) and am looking for a vehicle for me. It would be nice to have two vehicles that we both really like. However, for those who believe pointing out shortcomings of the RX means I think the vehicle is inferior over all: The RX will make a good second car.
  • tomjavatomjava Posts: 136
    Off course no car is perfect. IMO, LEXUS knows extremely well about the US market. Remember, Luxury is the only way to drive on US freeways. We still have speed limits.

    If you want fast, you'd buy FX35.
  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    We had an '01 MDX for almost 3 years. We sold it and purchased our RX 330 about one month ago.

    I agree that the RX 330 throttle seems a little more relaxed, but when pushed, I think it is slightly faster than our former MDX. I emphasize that it seems only "slightly" faster. I doubt this would be true against the new MDX. My test drive of the new '03 MDX (260hp) led me to believe it would probably out-acclerate the RX.

    I also look at manufacturer's 0-60 times as relative data for comparing the different vehicle's acceleration capabilities. (A standing 5mph start, which some magazines perform during their car reviews, seems to more accurately reflect real world capabilities.) If the new 260HP MDX is rated slower than 7.8 seconds, then I would agree Lexus might be more aggressive, and less realistic, then Acura.

    On the other hand, maybe the 7.8 second specification might be more realistic after the engine is fully broken in?

    Regarding FWD versus AWD, I was happy to save the money and weight on the FWD model. For sunny California, you shouldn't see much of any advantage with AWD, unless you plan to take it on dirt, or if you plan to drive aggressively and take some hard corners. I suspect the AWD model will provide a little better grip on turns? (It is a full-time AWD system, isn't it?) The RX leans a little bit more than the MDX, and so I don't know if any added grip from the AWD system will ultimately help matters that much.

    By the way, I find the seating position slightly better in the RX 330 than our previous MDX. I missed having a telescopic steering wheel (which has been a common feature in European automobiles for many years) when driving that MDX. Also, I thought the minimum seat height setting in the MDX was too high. There were times when I wanted to adjust the seat a little lower.

    From a safety perspective, the MDX is behind the curve, especially considering they haven't yet incorporated head-protection airbags.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Actually, based on my limited driving experience in the U.S, quick acceleration should be important because often you have to really gun it to merge from on-ramps. So if the RX is soft in this aspect, that may be cause for concern.
  • ctk1ctk1 Posts: 79
    or a Ferrari. I am sure you have no problem of merging into traffic.
  • wco81wco81 Posts: 495
    I've driven an '88 Integra automatic for years. Probably over 10 seconds on 0-60. 118 horsepower.

    No problems merging. EDIT: Around here, at rush hour times, the on-ramps are metered anyways, so you don't have to go 0-60 in as short a time as possible.

    0-60 times under 9 seconds is fast by most standards. Not sports car fast but you're talking about a high center of gravity SUV which weighs more than sports cars or performance sedans.
  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    When I stated the RX has a relaxed throttle response, I meant that a soft push to the gas pedal doesn't provide the same level of push-you-back-into-your-seat acceleration that I noticed in such SUVs as the FX35. However, if you step on the accerelator with some authority, it will get up and go rather quickly! I think it accelerates quicker than our previous '01 MDX -- both from a stopped position as well as at highway speeds.

    Don't worry about on-ramps in the RX 330. It can quickly leave many other SUVs in its rear window.
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Posts: 811
    ...of vehicles...not bad after a demo drive....but then I walked down the automall a few blocks and saw a new Ferrari Enzo in the showroom - dude, it was like a no brainer!

    The Enzo was a LOT faster on the demo and it whooshed and zipped thru curves a LOT faster - who would want an RX? Hey, I know the payments are probably higher but you gotta be kidding me.

    As for AWD, I dunno about the RX 'cause I forgot to look but the Enzo had All Wheels-Dubs so it passes, right?!

    Next, I checked the most important feature - Navigation. I mean, if you get lost downtown when you're trying to find that Special Someone, if you catch my drift...well, that's gonna be one shaky shaky night at the ol' ER! So Nav be very important to me that's for sure. The RX had a decent system - but hey, the Enzo beat it hands down with NEW, voice-activated technology!

    Just push one little button labelled "Many Objects to Buy" (MOB) and this Italian guy comes on the speaker asking how many grams, how much cash you got - everything! Wow wow wow!

    I can't believe that anybody would buy an RX with that Enzo right next door - you gotta be kidding me.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Motor Trend tested the RX in its September issue at 8.5 sec. That seems consistent with what damormino and cotmc have been saying -- slower than the current MDX but probably on a par with the "old" MDX.

    BTW, Motor Trend was not complimentary in its assessment of the RX's handling. They said there was lots of body roll and pitching motions. And they were testing one with the sport suspension too.
  • wco81wco81 Posts: 495
    You say the one with more HP is faster? Which gets better mileage?

    It'll be interesting to see if the hybrid performs like a V-8 while achieving V-6 or better fuel economy as Toyota claimed.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Probably the RX.

    I know it's no surprise that the MDX with 260 HP is quicker than the RX. But C & D had earlier tested the RX at 7.8 which seemed to defy the laws of physics. So I was just trying to say the Motor Trend results seem more logical.
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    I tend to believe Car & Driver more than any individual's "seat of the pants" estimate, but I realize that individual samples will vary from car to car. Also in their acceleration tests, C&D does get the RPM's up a bit (while holding their foot on brake) before mashing the gas pedal, to extract maximum possible performance out of each run. Of course, most owners are not going to subject their own vehicles to this kind of abuse very often, and usually never. Also, if C&D's method results in excessive wheelspin (not a problem with either the MDX or RX) then they do another run and back off the pre-launch RPM's a little. In any case, their testing method is going to result in a better time than most owners are going to get in the "real world" but the important thing is that C&D is consistent in testing each and every car, so they are good for comparative purposes.

    Checking this month's issue, here are the results:

    ........'04 RX300..........'03 MDX............

    1/4 mile...16.2..............16.1...............
    Top Speed.110 ..............119...............
    70-0........176 ..............200...............
    Skidpad...0.75 .............0.74...............
    EPA City...18 ...............17...............

    Pretty close, I'd say --


    '04 RX330
    '03 FX45
  • bmwbob27bmwbob27 Posts: 35
    Right on "jeffmust2" What difference does it make with a few 1/10's of a second clicks on the clock?? Face it. All of the compared here SUV's are slugs. You haven't any idea what real horse power is. Aim it and stab a 650 hp vehicle and then you know power. Stop bickering over these vehicles' acceleration.
    Ok, I'm done.
    A note about a possible road noise. The cross bars on the roof rack (sorry multi-panel owners) can rattle. I found the rear most bar was not held tightly and could be shaken and then it makes a rattle. Solution is to remove them and cut down on the wind noise also.
    Now, I'm really tired of this quality vehicles "climate control" system. I've talked to 2 Lexus' service managers and received the same answers. Seems like Lexus has prompted the service departments with the explanation to the owners. Their instructions are to always leave the AC on and the system on Auto. Set the tempeture above 78 degrees and then there will be heat mixed with the cold AC air until it reaches your comfort level???? What the hell is wrong with all of my other vehicles system when you set the desired tempeture at 72 and if it's colder inside the vehicles the heater comes on and raises the tempeture. If hotter, then the AC cools down the interior. DuHa!!! Why do you want the AC constently running and pumping cold air into the vehicle with a very slowly entered warm air mixed in? If I want noticable heat I have to select "Hi" and them it runs you out of the car whith the fan running wide open. The reason stated that you have to leave the AC on is that the interior of the vehicle will "Fog up" unless you do. What a bunch of crap. This system sucks!!! As stated before,"the engineers are rethinking this one". Does the old 300's have the same system? How does it work? I'll be damned if I'll go down the highway with the AC on when the outside temp is 55 degrees with cold air and ice cubes spitting out of the regesters. Set it on 78!!! Bull Spit!! A word of caution to you future buyers: Take a long test ride and have the saleman demonstrate this disasterous climate control sysyem to you. Take your time and let me know if I'm wrong. I hope that someone can enlighten me because if I have to live with this "BS" then this RX330 is for sale with 1500 miles on it.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Wasn't wwest hammering on this exact same issue awhile back?
  • jeffmust2jeffmust2 Posts: 811
    Ye know not what Pandora's Box ye just opened.

  • cotmccotmc Posts: 1,081
    Jeff, Bob, etc:

    Yes, the oozing sarcasm was quite funny, but I'll bet you a dozen rear-seat DVD systems there are MANY potential buyers who have an interest in reading what RX 330 owners think about the vehicle's on-road performance. Hey, some may even want to know how it compares to the competition. Most understand that the RX will not have any problems merging onto the shortest freeway onramp. I'm also thinking that most people understand it is not a BMW 330i, much less a Bugatti.

    Back in 1999 I made the mistake of purchasing a new ES300 for my wife (which we both drove from time to time). Edmunds and the magazines gave it reasonable 0-60 numbers, so what's the problem?? It had a 4-spd auto tranny, and 2nd was geared way too high, imo. That thing was a complete dog when turning out of intersections, or anytime we had to brake below 15mph. It resisted downshifting to 1st, and there was little low-end torque at 1400 rpm as it tried to pull its way through 2nd. The magazines never mentioned this, and we didn't catch it on the test drive. We traded it in less than a year later! Sorry for the rant, but this is one specific example of why people may have an interest in hearing performance feedback before making their decision between an RX 330, MDX, FX35, Murano, XC90, XC70, etc. On-road performance feedback may not be as important as an ergonomic design flaw with the climate control system, but it's still worth discussing, isn't it?
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