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Jeep Liberty Diesel

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  • bmartinpebmartinpe Posts: 51
    When I inquired today about an extended service contract for my Liberty, I was told that the non-Chrysler underwriter would not cover the EGR valve. The EGR valve was part of the emissions warranty, and therefore excluded from the extended warranty that this DCX dealer recommended.

    To extend the warranty to 7/100,000 on Chrysler's Max-Care plan with no deductible will cost me something over $3,000, or about 15% of the original cost of the vehicle.

    "These are the times to try men's souls." --Thomas Paine, Patriot
  • bmartinpebmartinpe Posts: 51
    Interesting that the buzz on the Grand Cherokee diesel is non-existent. I remember that this discussion on the diesel Liberty first posted in March, 2003 and accumulated over 500 posts before the first vehicles were delivered early in 2005.On the GC side there are only 3, count 'em, 3 posts for the diesel version.

    I saw my first diesel GC on a dealer's lot the other day. It was situated way to the rear of the lot, and sticker priced in the neighborhood of $48,000. That's over twice as much as I paid for my Liberty CRD.
  • 05crdjeep05crdjeep Posts: 59
    I just installed the entire selection of Mopar skid plates. The Limited I have came with the one plate in the front. I ordered three more, one for the fuel tank, one for the transfer case and another for under the transmission. The three of them were right about $200. Installation was fairly easy with all the holes already there. The fasteners were an interesting insert that deformed to fit the hole and gives you some threads to bolt to.

    If anyone has thought about adding them, I'd recommend the OEM plates because of ease of installation. I have an air wrench that made the install a snap. You need a torque wrench to snug them to specific pound feet of snugness.

    It was also a fun project.
    We are leaving MN in a couple of days for three days in Death Valley and four days in Yosemite, hoping to find some places to put some scratches into the skid plates!

    I have not had any problems to report, knock on wood.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    bmartinpe: By first glance I would say you have the legal discription of a Lemon Law vehicle. I would call DCX custome care line at 800 992 1997 and ask for them to consider a buy back. Our CRd was in the shop 25 times, but never overnight.DCX called us asking us to consider a buy back. By what my service thec. said DCX is buying a number of these back.
    There is a reason these EGR's are needing replacement. They have to find the cause instead of just replacing the same part over and over. 6 EGR's is just plane stupid, there has to be a cause.

    farpit
  • bravo6bravo6 Posts: 2
    I well know of the "looks" as you back up or drive off and this new jeep is making all of this noise! :blush:
  • bmartinpebmartinpe Posts: 51
    You won't get any argument out of me on this point. I am coming to the opinion that as designed and built, my Liberty will not pass emissions testing on a consistent basis year over year. As a matter of fact, when I was ready to relicense the vehicle last September, the engine light came on. We replaced the EGR, and I immediately took it to the testing station. After waiting and idling for over 45 minutes the light came on again as I pulled into the testing bay. That particular EGR didn't even give me 20 miles of service. The EGR warranty is for 3/36000, but I haven't gotten the first 36000 miles out of one yet. Ah but I do enjoy listening to that diesel hum along!

    P.S. Farout, I'd like to meet you sometime. I think you may have attended the same church as I do. Reply to me offlist: bill@martinstation.com
  • steve05steve05 Posts: 52
    Jeez, for some reason I have it in my head that the emissions system is warranteed for 100,000 miles by federal mandate. I'll google that here in a minute and see.
  • steve05steve05 Posts: 52
    24/24000 mi for the egr stuff, 8 years and 80k miles for the ECU and OBD stuff. Good link: http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/warr95fs.txt
  • roathd1roathd1 Posts: 4
    I would like to comment on the fuel mileage. I have 2005 CRD and today I got 29mpg on a flat road, outside temp 86 degrees, average speed 65 miles per hour. Normally I average 24-26mpg and commute daily about 110 to and from work on the German autobahn. The warmer the outside temp the better my mileage. I also think from other comments on this forum that the US spec fuels are the cause for allot of the problems in the states for the CRD. I have 33000 miles on my Jeep and only had regular service done the two recalls, (ball joints/Flash Computer) but none of the other problems. I did have the right rear brake caliper replaced due to dragging but overall it has been a great vehicle.

    DR
  • nescosmonescosmo Posts: 453
    Does any body have done the ORM? Well after me thinking about it i did it and the first day the engine radle some but boy after the third day the engine work like a sowing machine. I clean the map before i did it. It is smooth, power at take off increase and i get about 2 to 3 mpg better than before. The cell light is on but the result is well worth it. please let me know if you guys have do it and what could happen.

    Nescosmo.
  • campymancampyman Posts: 13
    I am a diesel enthusiast and used to own a dodge 2500 4x4, am about to purchase new vehical and want to know what you guys think of the lib diesel. Would yall purchase another ect.
  • synlubessynlubes Posts: 184
    go for it you can make sum good byes out there now and the forum guys are working out the few problems
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    campyman: I would look very, very deeply into how much it costs to keep the warranty inforce, and the many recalls that have been done, and this CRD engine is not designed to use anything above B-5.
    Our CRD was in the shop 25 times, DCX bought it back from us. I am not the only one DCX has bought back their CRD. You either get a great one or a CRd with problems that never stop.
    In fairness there is always a number of vehicles in any production that are faulty. The majority of CRD's on this forum have had good experiences with their CRD.

    farout
  • hamchamphamchamp Posts: 33
    Campyman,Just had DCX involved with a replacement vehicle. They did fix it, but took them 110 days to repair the F-37. Just thought I'd tell you my experience. Hamchamp.
  • coolridercoolrider Posts: 84
    Its been a love and hate relationship. egr, egr, balljoints, egr, tranny, egr vs good economy, power, 4x4, towing and generally like it. :confuse: overall if I could find a brand new leftover CRD yes I would buy it but only in new untitled condition.
  • coolridercoolrider Posts: 84
    farout: Would you be able to describe how DCX treated you? Did you do an exchange or buyout? Mileage charge? What else to expect? :sick:
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,801
    I have a 2005 CRD and am quite pleased with it. With a bit more than 20K miles on it, it has not been perfect, but then nothing is. Except for a couple of recalls and two or three brief visits to the shop, I am as I stated previously, quite pleased.

    Would I purchase another one? My answer is, in half a heartbeat.
  • coolridercoolrider Posts: 84
    campyman: Post 9111 was meant for you, I will learn to do this right!
  • zoomy2zoomy2 Posts: 50
    Auto Trader has 284 of them listed both 05 & 06 models. Just check them well for serivce history (documented) and recalls.

    I have 43,000 on mine, winter diesel averages 24.2 and summer diesel is 26.2 mpg.

    Have the dealer change the rires if is has the Goodyear ST's.

    I have been thinking buying a second one. :shades:
  • tjm3472tjm3472 Posts: 11
    Love my 2006 Sport, over 30K miles and average 23 mpg city/highway using B20. Still have the original EGR valve. :shades:
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    coolrider: The Customer Care center asked if they could have the higher up person look at my file as this seemed too many problems. From there a manager said they were refering it to DCX headquarters. In three days the DCX manager said he would like to suggest a buy back. Then the zone rep called and the service amnager told the zone rep. he did not want this CRD back in the shop. Fronm the time the DCX manager told me he was suggesting a buy back on Fe, 16, 2007, it was April 5, 2007 when we got our Compass, and it was May 7, 2007 when everything was totally complete.
    We were charged the lowest cost the zone rep had ever seen, 5 cents a mile. Remember we had been to the dealer 25 times, and put more than 2,500 going to and back to the dealer. Also the time spent in the dealership waiting for the repairs was almost like having a home away from home.
    You must call customer care everytime you take your vehicle into the shop and get them to see how much time is being spent.
    I NEVER insluted the thec's or the Service Dept. I alwasy said how hard they were trying to solve my problems. DCX has mad customers all day long. Honey gets more attention than insults.
    If you have more than 36,000 miles DCX will not do a thing! we had 28,500 miles when we were told they wanted to buy it back, and 30,000 miles wen we turned it in. Our extended Chrysler service Contract was transfered over to our Compass. We could not have been treated better. Hope this helps.

    farout
  • I have 2 liberty diesels one is a 2005 and a 2006 05 has 23k 06 has 10k love them both only had a couple of problems the recalls on the 05 ball joints and torque converter dealer fixed all of it no problems since the 06 I've had it just 3 weeks only been in for a bulletin on the rear brakes both are getting over 30mpg highway they are awesome and if I could find one I would have 3
  • try using a different diesel fuel my 05 shuddered for awhile when I used a certain diesel fuel I switched to a different fuel and the problem went away
  • coolridercoolrider Posts: 84
    farout: Thank You very much for the reply. Good info!
  • bullheadbullhead Posts: 125
    Normally, when the EGR opens, I am guessing the injection timing is advanced more to offset the degraded combustion conditions. Preignition may result if that timing advance remains after doing the Off-Road Modification. Preignition can severely reduce the life of the engine. Does anyone have insight as to how the injection timing may be bound to EGR function?

    I tried the ORM for a few miles and did notice the smoothness and power on demand. I chickened out for the above reason before I could check any mpg changes. Too bad, because I'm guessing my in-town fuel efficiency would have benefitted a lot.
  • nescosmonescosmo Posts: 453
    Bullhead.... I been using the ORM for about a week and the CRD work good and the mileage are great. I used to have a lot of smoke when i clean it nose but now no smoke at all. Yesterday i disconnent the egr valve and i notice a lot of power, but today is been raining all day long and i couldn't test the experiment well. will see what happen, in the meantime things are doing ok so far. if worst come i will put things back the way it was.

    Nescosmo.
  • arvmanarvman Posts: 95
    Hello all.having tranny issues.tech says it's a module and shift solenoid,would be a real quick fix if they didn't have to wait 5 days for parts.Service dept is great and warranty covers rental,dealer will cover any additional days needed on rental while waiting for parts.I really like this rig when it works but every 6 months it's in the shop.Starting to look at the ram diesel,it is known for reliability.the sales manager sais he'd give me a good trade in for the heep.I'm gonna give it some more time after this repair for the rig to redeem itself.
  • synlubessynlubes Posts: 184
    has the torque converter and pump been replaced mine did the same had to replace converter and pump no problem since
  • campymancampyman Posts: 13
    Preciate it, I am new to this and did not notice. I am so hooked from my previous ownership of a diesel that I can not see purchasing a gasser again!
  • coolridercoolrider Posts: 84
    Looks like you got some decent feedback. thanks guys.I am now in the situation for another vehicle (Thanks for your reply "farout"). Believe it or not I was Interested in the new JGC CRD. Friday DC announced 1500 rebate and 1000 bonus cash to buy or lease now I am seriously considering it! I have left posts for new JGC CRD owners to respond with details and impressions but nothing back yet. Have you guys looked at them? I digress, sorry but looks like I am hooked on diesel too. The resale values are showing that the Liberty diesel option is returning the investment so far. Did I mention that the service interval is doubled from the Liberty CRD to 12500 miles? I would consider a low mile 2005 CRD with the 7/70 because the DC service contract is still available for it. Good Luck shopping! :shades:
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