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Jeep Liberty Diesel



  • nescosmonescosmo Posts: 453
    I am in Central florida and there is no body selling biodiesel here; with the price going up and up why the government don't help a company to produce biodiesel nation wide is there a government cartel against the production of any alternative fuel?. The high oil prices are destroying this country if this keep on going there is going to be anarchy in the US
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,012
    It takes a lot of land, water and petroleum to grow the crop that you make into biodiesel. It may help supply and air quality but I don't think it's not going to help the pump price anytime soon. Check out the Biodiesel vehicles discussion for more.

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  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    new2diesel: I was told the clutches and tc were heavy duty and a harder shift was part of te difference. The trans tec is on vacation this week and I will ask him when he comes back.

  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    bmartinpe: It is my understanding that most of oil from that pipe line was sold to Japan> I really doubt this will be anything but another reason to hike the price of fuel. If we buy this crock of garbage from these oil companies that we deserve what we get. Only when people demand that there be a limit on profit made off the price of US servicemen and women who are protecting Iraq so the rich get riches. If we fail to see that oil is at the heart of this war we arevery nieve. I voted for our President, but he too like the VP has oil in their blood. I would rather pay $6.00 a gallon than one more US service person die over in Iraq!

  • zachinmizachinmi Posts: 228
    Biodiesel makes good sense because most of what's being made in the US is a byproduct from making something else. For instance, in my area of Michigan we grow tons of soybeans. You can press out the soybean oil and the remaining "soy meal" is still useful for animal feed or some food products. Soybean oil can be used in human foods and to some extent is, but it's not the most desirable and the supply exceeds food demand. So a lot of this surplus soybean oil can be made into biodiesel with little impact on the food supply or farming.

    My nearest supplier of B20 is selling it for 1 cent more than B2 ($3.10/9 vs. 3.09/9). Another station farther away is selling B20 for about 5 cents less than pure petrodiesel. Unlike E85, the gas mileage on B20 is essentially the same as on petrodiesel - it may be 2% lower in some lab testing, but in the real world you can't really tell that difference.

    The problem with soy biodiesel, like E85, is that current production methods won't allow us to make enough to make any significant dent in total demand, and therefore national average prices. But for the lucky among us who live in areas with biodiesel, it's a useful option.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,012
    This really isn't the discussion for it although it's come up before (link); check out the Ethanol - E85 FlexFuel board for that whole debate.

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  • anomiousanomious Posts: 170
    Hi! A 2005 CRD with a salvage title just sold on eBay for $17587. Sure beats a trade in!

    Peace! LK

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  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,349
    farout, $6 our economy may be able to afford but "WIA Not RTD" figures go way beyond the understanding or acceptation of our driving pleasure. It's time to make better use of fuel and the CRD comes at the right moment. Let's hope our authorities don't have cold feet and accept simpler emissions regulations that industry can provide reliably!
  • Oh please ! Go to the Michael Moore Forum for that lefty stuff.
  • nescosmonescosmo Posts: 453
    Smokinclatter....Lefty Stuff! MY CRD should be build with a commin engine not a vm motori engine, all of this company buy engines and what so ever in a foreign country knowing that there will be a monopoly on those parts. If we have an american engine, parts will be more cheaper than what we have to paid for now. DCX have all of this engine made in Italy, Germany, etc and the american engine and the american peaple have to pay big price for all of this none sense. -Oil the samething. What is happening to us is this America or WHAT.
  • nescosmo: Below is the part of the post I was refering to.

    Only when people demand that there be a limit on profit made off the price of US servicemen and women who are protecting Iraq so the rich get riches. If we fail to see that oil is at the heart of this war we arevery nieve. I voted for our President, but he too like the VP has oil in their blood. I would rather pay $6.00 a gallon than one more US service person die over in Iraq!
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,012
    How about we get back to the Jeep in here and leave the politics for another forum?


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  • That was my original request.

    My CRD does pull to the right a tad
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    My CRD does pull to the right a tad.

    Possible issues present here.

    1. Tire pressure is too low on the right side.

    2. Alignment problem

    3. Brake problem

    4. Drivetrain issue with front axle/differential/transfer case.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    Steve: I live 75 miles from a B-2 station, and I know of no place selling B-5 say nothing of B-20. After thinking this issue over If I had a chance to use B-5 on a regular basis I would. Perhaps I would even try the B-20. In a near by town they explored to see if there would be enough corn growers to make a Bio fuel plant. The results were there are not enough corm producers in a radius of three counties to make it pay for 1/2 of the cost over 5 years. Every bit of fuel here in Lake of the Ozarks. has to be trucks in from a longer distance, and because we are a recreational area the fuel is naturally a bit higher, but $3.20 a gallon seems higher than most of the state of Missouri. Organ has some of the highest prices for diesel in the US. This war and this pipe line (pipe dream) is going to really take a dent in a working mans pocket. How high do you think Diesel will go? Will diesel ever be much lower than gasoline?

  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    caribou: You impress me as a wise person. Here in the US people can't get enough horse power, no matter how much the fuel cost. Can we say "HEMI" DCX is not very responsible along the line of conservation of fuel. During the depression people were forced to conserve, with WWII the government gave coupons to car owners based on actual need. Most left travel only for getting food and doctors visits and work. Rationing fuel is a drastic measure, but when people and vehicle makers are irresponsible in making and buying these gas hogs, we just might be looking at some form of forced fuel consumption. I hate the thought.

  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    smokinclatter: I am NOT on the liberal side of politics! Thanks for your opinion. We all have a right to an opinion.

  • arvmanarvman Posts: 95
    This bio diesel topic is neat.In this town there is a co-operative getting together to educate people about bio-diesel and ethanol.I believe it will take a grassroots movement to get this process going.Once oil companies see this they will catch on I hope.I wouold like to see independent companies producing bio-d and groups like the co-op making bio.I won't make my own in order not to void the warranty,however,if I could get B-5 I would run it.They only supply bio to the large volume users here but there is a growing interst among the public to make it more accessible.This is coming everywhere,it will take time and a will on our part in all counties but especially North America.I bought this jeep for the diesel because I believe once the bugs are worked out it will be a good rig,I hope I'm right.By then,I'm hoping bio-D will be accessible and of a stable and reliable nature,not just garage brewers,though they may have refined the technique as well.Those guys are running it in VW rabbits and mercedes cars with no problems.It's either pay to drive,find another or don't drive,like Steve said let's keep the jeep in the spotlight here,mine's running awesome,cheers...
  • There are many websites that tell you how to make your own biodiesel at home, it is kind of complicated and you can only mix it with regular diesel at a certain percent. Look for Pete, the biodiesel guy.
    We just bought bikes, but we live 5 miles from anything. I may try to find oil in my back yard.
    Our 05 CRD is running great now but it just came home from the shop for the sixth time. We took it up to Branson and Fairfield Bay, Arkansas and back home to Louisiana with no problem, so far.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    I have the answer to the 462 on the side of the CRD transmission. This number 462 is a factory code number for the 545 RFE. The only reason the number 462 is on there is just the code # at the factory. This was amazing to me. I have had two dealers make up things that could not have been farther from the truth. What's wrong that people can't say "I don't know"?
    This information came from Dan at Yark Chrysler Jeep in Toledo, Ohio. He has been in the VM Motori plant and has been involved with DCX in what they were hoping would be the CRD for 2007. According to Dan, there is a tsb that calls for the circular filter to be replaced as well as the bottom filter, that was for 2005' only. The problem with this early built CRD's transmissions is a rattle noise in the pump. Should this go very long it makes toast of the tc and other problems. Also the transmission cooler is connected to the AC (I dont know how) and if the cooler line get plugged that's all she wrote.
    Dan said the biggest problem with the EGR going bad and repeating to go out is the TEC's are not replacing the PCM when they go out! The PCM is the reason these EGR's go out, especially the early build 2005 CRD. The PCM controls the EGR and that's the sourse of the EGR problems. The repeated changes comes back to an unchanged PCM.
    The reason the diesel was dropped is the fact the Liberty is a "Light Utility Vehicle", and the emission requirements for a LUV are even more strict than the regular truck. However there is a problem even with the 2007 Dodge Ram. The 6.9 has the same power as the old 5.7 diesel but fuel consumption is much more than to 2006 Cummins.
    According to Dan that any diesel pump that goes bad goes to DCX and if the barrings are scored they know Bio fuel higher than B-5 was used and it will not be covered under Warranty. These pumps are $2,075. + labor! and there have been enough pumps returned that this in effect now. DCX does nor encourage the use of any Bio fuel. They do come from the factory with B-5 only as apolitical effort in Ohio for the farm state. The big thing is to change the water separator filter to prevent water getting to the pump.
    Dan stated the main thing with the 545 RFE is changing the Transmission fluid every 30,000 miles. These transmissions are very strong, reliable, and will last a very long time. He has one that has 200,000 and runs well.
    The only engine to get a MB transmission is the 300 6.1 Hemi and one other but I did not write it down.
    Dan said these engine are tough and DCX has used these engines for more than 10 years, failure rate is almost unheard of due to basic block and head. There are some, but often relate to other issues. There is no reason these engine can not endure to 200,000 miles or more.
    The GC diesel will go into production Jan 15,07 and is the MB 3.0V-6 turbo diesel Bluetec. The power is less (I did not get less than what?) But a proven engine with more emissions than before.
    I hope this helps, and solves a few questions.

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