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Jeep Liberty Diesel



  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    While attempting to change the serpentine belt by myself (failed), I managed to drop a socket wrench down the driver's side of the engine toward the front of the engine bay. I am unable to locate the wrench by sight or by feel and it is not on the ground.

    I was able to remove the two bolts at the rear of the skid plate but could not find the attachment point(s) at the front. Any help would be appreciated, especially with pictures.


  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,349
    Try to flush it away with a large flow of water. If it doesn't move out of it's location leave it there. At least one of us will know where his rattle comes from ;)
  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,349
    Hi Farout,
    What you discover today was thoroughly explained before the conflict began by this person:

    The CRD was an "option" oriented towards energy independence. It was made too sophisticated to start and you were not given the chance to train service people before the vehicles were delivered.
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796

    Your idea is interesting, but I think the wrench is wedged in front of the differential. There is no rattle but I just do not want the wrench to get caught in the machinery.
  • Correct me if I am wrong, but I recall reading that the USA consumes 46% of the worlds oil supply, and produces only 6%. Thats why Canadian oil is so popular,
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    The CRD was an "option" oriented towards energy independence. It was made too sophisticated to start and you were not given the chance to train service people before the vehicles were delivered.

    Farout, I must disagree with what you say here. The technicians at my dealership were well trained prior to the appearance of the CRD. Also, these same technicians have been trained to deal with the GC CRD and the Cummins diesels in the Dodge trucks. They spent a week in school for each application including hands on.

    The quality of the service you receive very much depends on how motivated the technician is to do the best job he or she can. Perhaps I have been fortunate to have such good technicians.
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796

    I get several consumer e-zines and one of them strongly suggested that getting a hybrid like the Prius was not a smart thing to do. Apparently they are not holding up as well as their maker would have us believe.
  • faroutfarout Posts: 1,609
    storageguy: I really don't know, other than it's close by? I have seen figures that conflict on several places. Maybe people use figures to twist things to their point of view? Personally I do not see the answer is for our energy problems as anything the US Congress is even close to working on. I do think the Electric vehicles are well worth putting more research into, that and Hydrogen.
    I do know that when oil hit $90. a barrel that the more costly way of putting steam down the wells became affordable to get the oil out of deep rock that's holding the hard to get thicker oil.
    With China expanding so rapidly they have become keen competition in the open market for oil, as well as Japan, and every other place that needs oil.

  • zachinmizachinmi Posts: 228
    Winter2 - you are very fortunate to have a good dealer. Maybe if I could have found one I would still have my CRD. We have our Ram/Cummins still and intend to for a very long time. (The Dodge dealer we bought it from is pretty good, but doesn't sell Jeeps so I have no reason to think they would have done a good job with, or even wanted to touch, my CRD.)

    Amusing story (at least to me) - I had the Ram into its Dodge dealer a few days ago for service. Noted a green Liberty CRD on the lot. This Dodge dealer is 1/2 mile away from where I traded in my CRD to a Chevy dealer last October. I took a look at it, up and down, and thought it was my old CRD. Had 43k miles vs. the 36k I traded at, but hey, maybe a salesman demo'd it. I had kept my CRD clean so there were few identifying marks, but there some small water stains on the front seats (if your Liberty has the cloth seats, you know what I mean) and I thought they were the same as the stains on my old CRD. I memorized the last 6 digits of the VIN to see if it was mine... got home and discovered it was nowhere close. Funny, given that it seemed identical down to cloth stains and everything.

    No price posted on the not-mine CRD, in fact nothing but a "balance of factory warranty (ha, ha) sticker on it. Wonder how much they want and how long it's been there. No, I'm not missing mine - just curious. I have done some driving cost calculations and with the current costs of diesel and gasoline, and the CRD maintenance requirements, my Suburban costs no more to drive than my old CRD, despite its size and lower mpg. I keep reading silly news articles saying diesel is the future, but if diesel continues to cost 80 cents/gallon more than 87octane, it's the future only for people who can't do math.
  • siberiasiberia Posts: 520
    Hi Winter2,

    The front bolts are recessed. You will need to go through the round holes at the front of the shield with a socket on and extension to reach the bolts. Your may have already noticed that the rear holes are slotted and open so that you can just loosen them, leave them in place and slide the shield forward when the front bolts are out. This helps putting it back on too. Mine has been off a few times for changing the front differential oil, looking for the rattle and once for something I dropped.

    I did not have a box end wrench long enough to reach the tensioner. So, I clamped one end of the longest box end wrench I have in a vice grip to make it longer. It actually works pretty good since the vice grip can be angled on the wrench to fit in a little better.
  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,349
    Farout, we've seen several "scientific approaches" explaining that thicker oil extraction in Canada had a horrible impact on nature. The used water coming out of the wells is highly contaminated and too expensive to neutralize.

    We could push a bit more to recycle our waste cooking oil without creating conflicts but as of today the food chain is financially stressed worldwide. We had the same stressed situation between currencies before the Euro was introduced. Is it the same group of people creating this mess? Hands are rising and fingers are pointing to a common direction :surprise:

    As of China, they often use air-air heat pumps for heating apartments because it's cheaper than oil and most of their privately owned (small) vehicles run on gasoline. They have a "modular" diesel engine that can power small trucks, compressors, tractors, etc... This type of engine produces black smoke as if you would burn tires.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,936
    We're having some good back and forth on oil over in the What will you do when gas price rises above $4 a gallon? discussion. Love to have y'all join us there.

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  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,349
    Hi Steve,
    $4 a gallon, but for which currency? The "$" sign is used in several countries ;)

    On the way to work this morning I heard the barrel of crude oil is quoted 117USD. The "TOTAL" filling station prices are 1.51 Euros per liter of premium gasoline and 1.34 for the ULSD diesel. When you convert these prices you come to more than 10 USD per gallon for gasoline. British television reported that people need to lock their home heating oil tanks because of theft of fuel. Wasn't this part of the story in "Mad Max" movie?

    There are many people throughout the world who are paid from a different country than where they have to work and live. I call these the educated poor :cry:
    Unfortunately there are many North-Americans in this situation.

    I haven't yet found the way to increase mileage on the CRD. Driving at 50 or 75 mph makes no difference in my case. Perhaps the tuning chip will become my last resort. I tried different oil and air filters, different fuels, different tire pressures, different lubricants; in all combinations temperature is the main factor influencing mileage.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,936
    And did you compensate for the Imperial gallon too? :shades:

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  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    I think you meant to use the lower case dollar sign! ;)
  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,349
    Radio info today at noon:
    - there are 350,000,000 wealthy middle class individuals in China, in equivalent to US and EU standards.

    In which case of the d_0_llar or the eur_0 do you think we stand? We need brains, will and a vigorous industry to get out of this mess. Our interests are too related to the petrol industry. How do you explain we made a sophisticated and unreliable engine out of a rock solid technology?
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    In which case of the d_0_llar or the eur_0 do you think we stand?

    Frankly, I think the U.S. dollar is valued about right while the Euro is overvalued. But I don't think this is the most suitable place to get into debates on international monetary policy.

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796
    As lucky as I have been, my CRD is in the shop to have an oil leak evaluated that is the rear seal on the trans or the front seal on the transfer case. I have been getting drops from time to time on the driveway.

    As to the cost of diesel versus gasoline, the price differential is closing here in MD where I live. Regular unleaded is running close to $3.60/gallon while diesel is still available for 3.999 in a few places. The price of gasoline is rising much faster than the price of diesel and I expect gasoline will be more expensive by the middle of this year, but I have been wrong before.

    Curious about the CRD you saw. My CRD has leather so water stains are a non-issue. When I ordered my CRD, I wanted the front passenger seat to be adjustable for my wife and the only way to do that was to get a leather interior. All that cost $1500, so in a sense I have put my wife on a pedestal.
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,796

    Thanks for the info. The dealer is going to print instructions for me and their diesel tech is going to show me too.

    To change the belt, they have a special long wrench with some crazy curves in it that makes changing the belt a breeze. I just may buy one if the cost is not to outrageous.

    On another note, it looks like we will be heading for another ball joint recall and this time it will be the upper joints. There was an item on the local news radio station concerning collapsing front ends on 2002 and 2003 Libertys. They attribute this to ball joint failure.
  • caribou1caribou1 Posts: 1,349
    The CRD we own is similar all over the world. The monetary policy has its effects:
    - You buy European technology at a lower cost than we do
    - We buy an "American vehicle" with a much higher price tag

    Put this in a blender and what do we have:
    - High prices for a standard technology in the EU
    - Decent prices and help from Heaven in the US

    When currencies match, you don't need Heaven anymore.
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