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Transmission problems with Lexus ES?

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  • Test drove a 2005 ES330 last week and noted that the transmission HAS CHANGED. The gear ratios are a little tighter and the final compression ratio is a little higher. The brochure shows the 0-60 at 7.2 seconds whereas the 2004 is at 8.9 seconds (or something like that). Didn't notice much of a hesitation but then again I only drove it for 10 minutes or so. By the way, I test drove this one in Canada.
  • Canada - that's the difference.

    Canadian ES cars are not ULEV - and don't have the problem. Even the '03 and '04 ES Canadian cars didn't have the problem.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    8.9 0-60 time?? I think the last time a magaine tested a ES300 it was around 8 seconds flat 0-60.
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Posts: 1,207
    Canadian ES330 is ULEV.
  • OK. So it's ULEV II for the US and ULEV for Canada. Anyway, there's a difference in the pollution standards which apparently accounts for some of the problem.

    You can find the details at the Lexus Owner's Club forum.http://us.lexusownersclub.com/
  • The US version is SULEV (Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle) while the Canadian version is ULEV. Consequently, the transmission and throttle are calibrated differently.
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Posts: 1,207
    The US version is SULEV (Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle) while the Canadian version is ULEV.

    That is not correct, as pointed out by a previous poster the US version is ULEV II. See this link ES link
  • The brochure says the Cdn. version is also ULEV II. Has anyone ever asked to see if there were transmission changes for the US version for 2005? The 2005 Cdn. brochure doesn't explicitly state anything. It was the salesman who pointed out the change and the change in the performance numbers in the brochure. It does have a different final drive ratio and compression number.
  • kadskads Posts: 27
    Texas83

    We've got a hesitating Highlander, same 5 speed auto/drive by wire problem as the ES and RX.
    Am very interested in your posts as we're about to file under Texas' Lemon Law.
    Wondered if you could give me any pointers on working thru the system and any specifics of complaint claims that seemed to carry the most weight?

    Looking forward to your reply. Thanks

    KADS
  • I test drove a 2005 and also didn't notice the hesitation (in the U.S.). Has anyone else purchased/test driven and noticed the hesitation problem? Previously, I test drove a 2003 and did notice the problem. Just curious if the problem might finally be fixed in 2005 models.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,779
    To Those of You Who Have Been to Arbitration:

    Did you get a decision right after the meeting or did you have to wait a few days?

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  • kadskads Posts: 27
    Thanks much for the pointers.
  • davidzdavidz Posts: 35
    After starting my 2004 ES330, putting it into drive and taking my foot off the brake, the car lurches forward big time. Does anyone else have this problem?

    Is this part of the well-known tranny problem or is it something else? It's not so bad as to be a safety issue, but it's pretty poor considering the price of the car and the "pursuit of perfection" blah blah, blah...
  • i have a question i have a 1992 es300 when i put the car in drive it moves put when the rpm falls below one the car doesn't move this just happened two days prior i noticed that when i put the car into reverse it would shake a little but when in drive it rode sweet until today i was driving and the car started slowing down and it wouldn't budge what does that sound like
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,779
    lexuswows---you have a duplicate post here. Try to avoid that if you can. Your question was addressed in the other forum in which you posted.

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  • I took my Lexus to another dealer who had no problem identifying the rattling problem with the front seat and replaced it. This dealer listen to what I had to say, checked the seat out, and decided that there really was a problem. The first dealer just put the seat in a position where it didn't rattle and called it no problem.
  • "Upon further review of your service history, Lexus has determined that there is nothing defective with your vehicle's transmission. It is operating as designed."

    Thank you for sharing this documentation from Lexus allig8r. This legally and politically shrewd B.S response is a recurring theme which tells me (as a newbie) they are well aware of the problem, but chose to ignore it. Saying that it doesn't exist doesn't make the problem go away, yet that seems to be their key response.

    I was seriously considering buying a ES330, but am back-peddling after reading this thread. Until an accident or class action suit occurs, the only other action I can think of (in addition to what people are doing, especially in contacting the media) is building power in numbers through protest aimed at their bank accounts.

    I know one person is a drop in the bucket, but I wish to write to them and tell them why I am declining Lexus in the hopes of helping others. I would encourage others in my position to do the same.

    I am disappointed because I really like the smoothness and speed of the car, which I have only found in more expensive vehicles. If it weren't for this one (substantial) problem, my exhaustive search would be over. Further, the "passionate pursuit of perfection" claim is offensive and in my mind, a fraudulant statement, especially given the growing number of complaints over such a long period of time.

    I went to their website, but there is only a PO Box for Customer Assistance. I would imagine that such a letter would get put in the "whatever" file. Does anyone have a name and address for a key decision maker at Lexus?

    My sympathies to everyone who has suffered from this and thanks for all the information.
  • I just got my decison and I lost. They said in a 5 mile test drive my car operated as designed. Did not even look at the evidence that I put on the table for them to review. I went though the NCDS in Dallas. Who did you go through? I need to try another angle to get rid of this very poor automobile.
  • Please let me know how your case goes. I lost mine, but it does not mean I will accept it. They did not even review the evidence I put in front of them and based some of their decision on a 5 mile test drive. You can contact me @ 214-707-8840
  • I had mine on 11/12/04 and received my response on 11/23. For me it was bad news, but I went through the "Lexus Dispute Settlement Program". Have to wonder if the name had any bearing on my case. Should have gone throught the BBB.
  • I was just curious as to how long your test drive was. I was allowed 5 miles to prove my case. I asked for a comprehensive drive but was denied by the arbitrators.
  • I just trade in my 2004 es330 with 2000 miles on it. I took a big loss for my worset dicison to purchased a Lexus months ago. It was a beautiful car, but driving the car is mentally torture, My 1987 nissan pick up was running much smooth than the es330.
    Before anyone ready to purchas the es330, make sure you test drive the car you want to buy. Do stop and go in slow speed severl time as well as stop and go in traffic ligh sititution.
  • toad2toad2 Posts: 9
    I have read the many posts regarding transmission problems in the ES330 and ES300. I test drove a new 2005 ES330 today. The vehicle drove well and I could not find any hint of hestitation or lurching. At want speed or condition do you find the transmission acts up? Do you find that the transmission starts to show the defects only after the break-in period? I liked the vehicle but I am a bit gun shy. Your comments would be appreciated.
  • What cars/vans you're and/or previously driving?
    I think the hestitation experience could be in relevant to what you have driven before. In other words, if you're used to 1 sec. hestitation, you may not notice anything if it's 1.5 sec. and also depend on how hard you press the gas pedal, some people never get in to the situation of down shifting, then they won't notice the even longer hestitation in down shifting.
    I've noticed many toyota's have longer pause than honda's in shifting. And if you're coming from a manual shift, which has 0 delay and 100% control, the hestitation in toyota's auto transmission may become even worse, and may make you very uncomfortable and worse yet feel the car uncontrolable.
  • Toad2 - See my post 639. I agree with you. I didn't notice the hesitation problem. Back in 2003, I test drove a 2003 model and did notice the hesitation problem. By the lack of response to my question, it may be that the hesitation problem has been fixed in 2005, or that many of the posters have not test driven a 2005. The other problem (harsh downshifting) I didn't notice in the test drive of the 2005. Did you? I agree that the 2005 ES drives very well. I too am considering a purchase but have been gun shy with all these posts.
  • I had gotten an 02 ES300 from my dad as a grad. gift. I had lightly wrecked the front passenger side in may, but the car was professionally fixed. I have 39000 miles on it right now. I always had the hesitation problem. My check engine light came on last night and this morning, the car just died after slowly braking. I was stranded for 2 hours. Roadside Assistance brought the car down to the Lexus dealership(1.5 hours away). They told me some throttle mechanism had to be replaced and blamed it on the accident. Being 18 the dealership would not give me a loaner car. I had to wait 3 hours for my dad to come sign the loaner paperwork. They gave me an ES330. On my way home, the car had the same hesitation problems like my ES300. Just wondering: Has anyone else had a throttle mechanism replaced? Hope this fixes my problem.
  • SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
    Summary from a member's experience (not mine, so please don't email me about it...)

     

    In Texas, you need to have presented your car to the dealership four times for the same problem. Be sure you keep receipts. You must also contact the manufacturer, not just the dealership. I would recommend a return receipt mailing to present at the hearing. It costs $35 to file and there is a website that tells you what qualifies for a hearing (through the Texas Lemon Law Ct.)

     

    The judge will give you an opportunity to settle things before the hearing gets going. That failing, you present your documentation and discuss the issue a bit. Then you drive the car. You come back and discuss the issue some more, possibly present more evidence if you have it. The judge may make a decision then and there, or he/she may take 60 days. At the hearing, Lexus agreed to buy me out less some cash. I was appreciative. I'm through with the process and wish the rest of you the best of luck in your endeavors.
  • CANT BELWAVE I READ THIS POST. A WEEK AGO WE JUST TRADE IN OUR 2004 SE330 WITH 2500 MILES ON IT, ONLY BECAUSE ITS HISITATION AND SHIFTING PROBLEMS. WENT TO HAYWARD NISSAN FOR THE TRAID IN AND BOUGHT A 2004 MAXIMA. IT RUNS GREAT AND LOOKS GOOD WITH ALL THE PLUSSES. WE ARE DOWN 8000 BUCKS AND JUST LEARNED THAT HAYWARD NISSAN DEMANDED A NEW TRANSMISSION FOR OUR TRADE IN AND GOT IT. OUR PROBLEM WAS WE ASKED FOR A FIX FOR OUR TRANSMISSION PROBLEMS AND WAS TOLD SEVERAL TIMES IT WAS "DRIVING AS DESIGNED". THE LEXUS SERVICE MANAGER EVEN TOOK OUR ES330 HOME FOR TWO WEEKS TEST DRIVING IT. WE LOST ALOT OF TIME AND MONEY. THE LEXUS IS A LOOKER ONLY. BUT WE DO HAVE FRIENDS WHO OWN THE SAME EXACT CAR AND LOVE IT DESPITE THE HISITATION ISSUES.
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