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Transmission problems with Lexus ES?

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  • user777user777 Posts: 3,341
    my position is - a driver who does not feel confident operating their vehicle, being unable to predict the automobile's response to control inputs, with system behaviors colliding or being discrepant with potentially decades of sub-conscious cause-and-effect learning *IS* at risk, including his/her passengers, and other people on the road. the degree to which this is an absolute truth will be a function of many factors, some of them under the control of the driver, and many which are not.

    this position is not limited to a particular manufacturer or particular vehicle, or isolated to an issue with hesitation in vehicle acceleration.

    regards.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...a person's personal feeling about something DOES NOT establish it as a fact..."

    Well it certainly does for the person having the experience!

    FEAR has differing levels of affect on each of us. Put almost any of us in a potentially life threatening situation, one that we haven't experienced before and came upon us unexpectedly, and the result oftentimes is to FREEZE our entire mental process.
  • montiemontie Posts: 10
    Are we all becoming shrinks here? We are supposed to be dealing with hesitation questions. Insted we get a bunch of psycological advice to the lovelorne and stuff like this.
    "montie, if a person driving their car feels unsafe, they are unsafe no matter what our opinions may be"
    Everyone knows that. I accept that also. I certainly don't doubt that poster's feelings about what he sees as a problem. All I said was NHTSA doesn't think it is a safety problem because they didn't investigate it. I don't think its a safety thing, NHTSA doesn't either, but that is not saying someone else can't feel different. Honest guys, I don't need all that councilling, but thanks anyway!

    Now then. Back on track please? I asked some questions about hesitation. Does anyone care to answer them?
    Where does Lexus say that a hesitation or delay is built in to all their transmissions?
    Why do most of them not do it and others do? Mine doesn't so why does someone elses?
    How many actually do this? Doesn't look like very many do.
    Where does Lexus say that the hesitation is there to protect against exces wear of some internal parts like Clutches?
    Where does Lexus describe their transmissions will have the same things people here say they have happening?
    Someone said there were articles about these questions. well I cannot find any so can someone point me in the right direction?
    Thank you.
  • shepalishepali Posts: 72
    Montie - goto http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/
    Select 'Consumer Complaints', 'Search Complaints'
    Then follow the right side prompts.

    Unfortunately, you have to start with a specific year, and then a specific model. This particular hesitation problem has been ongoing since 2002, so you have to search each year since then. And...the models are sometimes split between 'ES' and 'ES300' and 'ES330' - so you have to search each one separately. I have not counted - but I would venture to guess there are between 50-100 complaints, maybe more!

    Hope this helps.
  • montiemontie Posts: 10
    Thanks for the help. I did that already. There aren't as many as you guessed there are. I counted abot 20 since 2002. There are a lot of duplicate ones. there are some about unintended accelleration.
  • billranbillran Posts: 113
    In the announcement that the Camry was the top selling car for the 4th year in a row, they mention that in 2005 Toyota sold 432,000 Camrys. If only half of those were V-6s, then there were at least 200,000 V-6s Camry's sold. If you add to that the sales of ES-330s, RX-330s, V6 Highlanders and Siennas I would guess that at least 300,000 total new V-6 5 speed drivetrains were put on the road in 2005. Multiply that by the last 4 years and you have well over a million. And I believe that is a very conservative estimate.

    Now, if every single one of those cars had this glaring "safety" issue, where are the complaints? If even only 1 out of 10 people actually complained that you be over 100,000 complaints, and that would certainly get some attention. Yet all we can find is maybe 50?

    Over a Million people driving cars with a defective drivetrain and safety issue and only 50 complaints? Just does not add up.

    Now imagine this. I buy a car but don't like to way it performs. I complain but no one listens. Now, if I can portray it is a Huge Safety issue that affects all similar cars, mayby now somebody will listen
  • shepalishepali Posts: 72
    I couldn't agree more with your 'title'!

    For those of you who don't have a problem, and don't have any advice for those of us who do - can you please refrain from posting.

    I too am VERY tired of hearing this is just MY problem. This problem is VERY REAL for those of us who experience it. I understand that not everyone one does - but that does NOT make it OK, NORMAL, or RIGHT. I have owned and driven a lot of cars in my life - and I have NEVER experienced a car THIS BAD!!!

    I'm not JUST experiencing a slight hesitation when accelerating. This car is absolutely HORRIBLE to drive - both from an experience perspective, AND a SAFETY perspective. This is a NON-STOP problem that I experience at ALL TIMES I am driving my car, EVERY DAY I drive my car. It is worse in slow maneuvering and stop-and-go traffic - but it occurs ALL THE TIME.

    But regardless of all of your opinions out there - when a car that you pay this much money for makes you THIS unhappy and is THIS HORRIBLE - then the dealer or the manufacturer should DO SOMETHING.

    I have asked both the dealer and the manufacturer to just buy this car back at an amount where they would either break-even, or maybe even MAKE money. But neither are interested. Thus, I am in the process of filing a DTPA suit against the local dealer, and a Lemon Law claim against the manufacturer - please wish me luck, and let me know if you have any pointers on either of those fronts.

    I also have messages via email, phone and fax into the NTHSA as to the status of my complaint and any investigation into the matter - but I'm not very hopeful on that front.
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    For those of you who don't have a problem, and don't have any advice for those of us who do - can you please refrain from posting.

    Why ???? So the forum becomes a venue for anti Toyota/Lexus drivels most of them without merits. This forum is open for anybody who has an opinion about the issue. This forum certainly isn't only for "this car is a death trap", "this car is a piece of junk" crowd. And those of you who have this so called "hesitation issue" what exactly meaningful have you contributed. I see the same anti Toyota/Lexus message over and over again.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    in post #923 I proposed one possibility for which a very few owners might experience the hesitation problem. Post #940 goes into even more detail as to why the uniqueness of some FEW driving "styles" might more readily open the "trapdoor" type design flaw in the Toyota/Lexus engine/transaxle ECU firmware.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    For those of you not experiencing the hesitation symptom, obviously the clear and certain majority of owners, why not assume my theory is correct, that those experiencing the problem have an as yet undefined uniqueness in there driving style which by pure happenstance results in inadvertently exposing the otherwise MINOR firmware deisgn flaw.

    And for those of you who do not wish to think of it as a design flaw look at it this way.... With this type of adverse publicity going on continuously wouldn't Toyota immediately issue a TSB as a "fix" if they could nail the problem down?

    So why don't we proceed along those those lines? Then there will be no reason for anyone on either side of the "fence" to be insulted or offended by the discussion.
  • Probably if participants strove to avoid genuinely hyperbolic statements on either extreme (e.g. "the problem is imaginary" or "it's a death trap") then most people would sit on their hands and avoid personal comments.
  • jonpnjjonpnj Posts: 52
    I see this discussion is on the hot list. I have driven quite a few cars in my life. In a few of them, I have noticed what I consider a lag from initial acceleration. It can be annoying. It seems to be more pronounced in some cars than others. I am wondering if the transmission in the Lexus is the same as in its Camry sister. They are speed automatics, correct? I can't imagine the ES having its very own transmission when it shares so much of the Camry parts bin.
  • hylynerhylyner Posts: 216
    Isn't that the truth!! Your questions are perfectly OK,and completely valid. Because no answers are forthcoming by those making the statements leads to a belief they were made out of frustation as opposed based on fact. Frustration by those who claim they have the issue runs high, so you'll have to excuse them if some responses aren't always friendly.
    Some advice: Try not to respond to "suggestions" that you're not welcome here and should not be posting. It's happened to others, myself included, and you just have to roll with it. I sometimes wonder if those comments aren't intended to throw everything off track, but it stands to reason that anyone who considers this hesitation issue a big deal will be a little testy when they think someone is challenging them.
    Don't allow a little testiness to discourage you from posting here and asking some good questions. They should be asked, and it's OK to do so.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Worth a try.........??

    For those of you having hesitation problems you might try applying a (VERY) light touch with your left foot to the brake in instances where you foresee the possibility of a quick return to "acceleration" mode.

    The 2004 RX330 Lexus shop manual indicates that the transaxle will drop out of O/D the instant the brakes are applied. So just maybe it might prevent the upshifting of the transaxle during brief periods of coastdown.

    The engine/transaxle ECU firmware appears to be sensing that the driver wishes to go into cruise mode when the gas pedal is released or slightly released (coastdown..) and therefore it quickly upshifts to attain the best fuel economy.

    If instead you "apply" the brakes the ECU firmware is more likely to assume your wish is NOT to enter cruise mode but to slow the vehicle. It might therefore leave you in the current gear or maybe even downshift.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Proposal for an aftermarket device to fix hesitation problems in all Toyota/Lexus 5-speed transaxles.

    Constantly monitor the gas pedal position via the OEM hall effect sensors. If/when the gas pedal returns to the "neutral' position check to see which gear the transaxle is currently in and automatically change the "shifter" electrical gear control contacts (there is no mechanical connection) to "command" a one-level downshift.

    If the brakes are applied simultaneously with the gas pedal being returned to neutral then "command" a downshift all the way into first. The vehicle will not downshift until the appropriate lower speed is reached.

    In both cases while the transaxle may not actually downshift due to roadspeed being too high it certainly would not upshift and later leave you waiting 2 to 3 seconds for it to downshift back into the most appropriate gear ratio for the acceleration level dictated by the new gas pedal position.

    If these were RWD vehicles I wouldn't hesitate to bring such a product to market but with FWD we would be incurring the liability that arises from FIRM engine compression braking on the front wheels.
  • scoti1scoti1 Posts: 676
    re the NHTSA reports. We could argue this until the cows come home and everyone coming up with different answers. Another complication is that not all complaints are filed under the same component or are filed under several different components. I took the time to check individual complaints, eliminating the duplicates and eliminating the unintended acceleration, for the 2002 Lexus ES300 when this was first being discussed and found over 40 complaints under this one model for this one year. Didn't look at other years. Didn't look at the Camry, Avalon, Highlander, RX-300, etc. So I would say you are low-balling it, Shepali.

    Anyone reading this who has the problem, file the complaint if you are dissatisfied. I think it is important also for those who had the TSB performed and still have the problem to make a complaint (or file with NHTSA again) because if NHTSA closed their investigation, it likely had to do with Toyota announcing the new TSB shortly after NHTSA saying they would look into it. So they need to know that the TSB is not the "end all".
  • scoti1scoti1 Posts: 676
    Yep, you got it. The problem is not unique to the Lexus ES300, even though that is the title of this particular forum. There is another in its infancy, "Toyota-Lexus Transaxle Shift Delay" and the earlier (now closed/read only) "Engine Hesitation" forum, both set up to address the problem as it exists in all Toyota-Lexus models and, respectively, in all makes and models.
  • scoti1scoti1 Posts: 676
    I just did a recount and did find more duplicate VINs. So the ones with unique VINs are 30.
  • scoti1scoti1 Posts: 676
    1.
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 759781 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure:
    VIN : JTHBF30G525...
    Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
    Summary: CAR WON'T GO INTO GEAR PROPERLY DURING STOP-AND-GO TRAFFIC OR PULL OUT INTO TRAFFIC WHILE TURNING A CORNER, RESULTING IN UNSAFE SITUATIONS AS NOTED BY OTHER CARS' HORNS HONKING AND BRAKES BEING APPLIED . DEALER SAYS IT PERFORMS AS DESIGNED BY FACTORY, AND THERE IS NO WAY TO FIX IT. *AK

    2
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 762166 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure:
    VIN : JTHBF30GX20...
    Component: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:IGNITION
    Summary: THE CAR STALLS AND PAUSES IN TRAFFIC. THE CAR HAS ROUGH VIBRATION WHEN THE GEARS SHIFT. THE DEALER SAID THE COMPUTER WAS DESIGNED TO OPERATE IN THAT MANNER AND THAT THERE IS PRESENTLY NO CORRECTION FOR THE PROBLEM. THE DEALER ACKNOWLEDGED THE PROBLEM, BUT REFUSES TO REPLACE THE CAR OR TO BUY ME OUT BECAUSE THIS PROBLEM HAS NOT RESULTED IN ANY FATALITIES.

    3
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 762530 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: January 1, 2002
    VIN : JTHBF30G025...
    Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
    Summary: WE HAVE AN ESCALATING SHUDDER WHEN DOWN SHIFTING THE TRANSMISSION. THE DEALER ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOFTWARE BETWEEN THE ENGINE AND THE POWERTRAIN/TRANSMISSION. THEY DO NOT HAVE A FIX AND ARE ASKING CUSTOMERS TO DRIVE THE VEHICLE FOR ANOTHER POSSIBLE 45 TO 60 DAYS UNTIL THE FIX IS ISSUED. WE HAVE REQUESTED ANOTHER CAR SINCE THIS IS OUR 4TH ES400 IN THE PAST TEN YEARS AND THE 97 LEXUS WE TRADED WAS IN PERFECT CONDITION. WE ARE NOT WILLING TO WAIT FOR A REPAIR AND HAVE NOTIFIED THE COMPANY THAT THEY NEED TO RESOLVE OUR PROBLEM CAUSED BY THEIR DEFECTIVE PRODUCT WITH A NEW VEHICLE.*AK
    4
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 764271 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure:
    VIN : JTHBF30G425...
    Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
    Summary: WE HAVE A SURGE OR SKIP ON DEACCELERATION.THIS WILL HAPPEN FROM 40 TO 60 MPH. THE DEALER WILL ONLY TELL US THEY ARE AWARE OF THE PROBLEM BUT HAVE NO CURE. I FEEL THAT AFTER 7 MONTHS THEY SHOULD HAVE A FIX.*AK

    5
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 764487 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure:
    VIN : JTHBF30G725...
    Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
    Summary: CAR HAS VERY POOR SHIFTING CHARACTERISTICS. IT IS ALWAYS ANNOYING AND SOMETIMES UNSAFE. TWICE I HAVE STARTED TO QUICKLY ACCELERATE FROM A STOP TO TURN LEFT AND HAD THE TRANSMISSION START TO DOWNSHIFT THEN WAIT THROUGH A DELAY AS IF THE SOFTWARE WAS CONFUSED. THE RESULT WAS THE CAR SITTING IN THE INTERSECTION WITH THE ACCELERATOR DEPRESSED BUT NO POWER TO THE WHEELS FOR AROUND 1 OR 2 SECONDS. DEALER ACKNOWLEDGES "SHIFTING COMFORT" ISSUES ARE THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT FOR THE CAR BUT SAYS NO FIX IS AVAILABLE. I HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SERVICE MANAGER ON THIS ISSUE FOR OVER 8 MONTHS AND HAVE HAD NO HELP.*AK

    6
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 769597 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure:
    VIN : JTHBF30G120...
    Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
    Summary: SHIFT COMFORT ISSUE EXISTS AT SOMEWHAT PREDICTABLE DRIVING CONDITIONS THAT CAUSE THE DRIVER TO HANDLE THE CAR IN A CAUTIOUS MANNER TO AVOID VEHICLE MALFUNCTION. DT


    7
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 8018169 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: August 25, 2002
    VIN : JTHBF30G920...
    Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
    Summary: WHILE DRIVING AT 20MPH AND WITH NO WARNING MAKING A TURN AND VEHICLE WILL STALL. IT WILL BE HARD FOR CONSUMER TO CONTROL VEHICLE. DEALER NOTIFIED.*AK

    8
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10000029 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: December 10, 2002
    VIN : JTHBF30G520...
    Component: POWER TRAIN
    Summary: TRANSMISSION GETS CONFUSED WHEN SHIFTING INTO AND OUT OF THE LOWER GEARS, THEN SPENDS TOO LONG TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT GEAR TO BE IN. THIS CAUSES DANGEROUS DELAYS IN ACCELERATION, THE EFFECT IS THE SAME AS A MOMENTARY ENGINE STALL. WE HAVE HAD THIS HAPPEN ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, FREEWAY RAMP ENTRANCES ARE CERTAINLY THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE THAT THIS HAS OCCURRED. DEALER ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE SHIFTING DELAYS BUT THEY SAY NO FIX IS AVAILABLE. THIS IS OUR THIRD ES300, THE PREVIOUS MODELS USED A CABLE BETWEEN THE GAS PEDAL AND THE THROTTLE, THIS NEW ONE USES WHAT IS CALLED "FLY BY WIRE", A POSITION SENSOR ON THE ACCELARATOR THAT A COMPUTER IS SUPPOSED TO USE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO TELL THE ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION. IT ISN'T WORKING VERY WELL. IF NOT RECTIFIED THIS PROBLEM WILL CERTAINLY LEAD TO A CRASH SOMEDAY, THEN WE'LL GET TO SEE HOW GOOD THE SAFETY EQUIPMENT IS.

    9
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10001095 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: February 15, 2002
    VIN : KPHBF30G325...
    Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
    Summary: WHILE DRIVING THE VEHICLE AT ANY SPEED, THE ENGINE SUFFERED SUDDEN ACCELERATION. THE DEALER COULD NOT DUPLICATE OR CORRECT THE PROBLEM. TS WHEN ACCELERATING TO CHANGE LANE OR ENTER THE FREEWAY, THE VEHICLE ALMOST STALLED AND OR DECELERATED. SCC

    10
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10004854 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: January 8, 2003
    VIN : JTHBF30G625...
    Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
    Summary: THE TRANSMISSION HAD A JERK IN THE TRANSMISSION, THE DEALER TOLD THE CONSUMER IT WAS THE DESIGN THE OF THE VEHICLE. *TS *JB
  • scoti1scoti1 Posts: 676
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    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10012059 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure:
    VIN : Not Available
    Component: OTHER
    Summary: THE VEHICLE INTERMITTENTLY EXPERIENCED A HESITATION WHEN ACCELERATING, THE DEALERSHIP WAS UNABLE TO DUPLICATE THE PROBLEM. *JB

    12
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10016697 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: October 30, 2001
    VIN : Not Available
    Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
    Summary: 1) STUMBLE - THIS OCCURS WHEN YOU QUICKLY ACCELERATE AND THE CAR HESITATES FOR 1-2 SECONDS BEFORE IT KICKS IN. 2) SHUDDER - WITH NO PATTERN, THE CAR WILL SUDDENLY SHUDDER. THIS OCCURS WITH NO/LITTLE ACCELERATION. 3) SURGING - THE CAR SURGES APPROX. 1/2 FOOT WHEN THE AIR CONDITIONER IS ON. I HAVE NOTICED THAT THIS PROBLEM IS INTENSIFIED WHEN THE CAR IS SLOWLY (E.G., IN TRAFFIC) MOVING DOWN HILL. *JB

    13
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10016699 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: May 1, 2002
    VIN : Not Available
    Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
    Summary: 1. SHUDDERING TRANSMISSION IN STOP/GO TRAFFIC. 2. WHEN AT A COMPLETE STOP, CAR NUDGES FORWARD EVEN WHEN BRAKES ARE FULLY DEPRESSED. NOTIFIED DEALER AS WELL AS LEXUS CORP AND WAS TOLD NO FIX IS AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. *JB

    14
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10018429 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: May 1, 2002
    VIN : JTHBF30G925...
    Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
    Summary: I HAVE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT DELAY IN DOWNSHIFTING WHEN ATTEMPTING TO MERGE WITH TRAFFIC IN MY 2002 LEXUS ES300. FOLLOWING THE DELAY, THE TRANSMISSION SHIFTS TO THE TOP OF THE RPM RANGE EFFECTIVELY RESULTING IN NO ACCELERATION, THEN IT UP SHIFTS TO AN APPROPRIATE GEAR. THIS IS A DANGEROUS CONDITION. I HAVE HAD SEVERAL NEAR MISSES FROM BEING REAR ENDED AS A RESULT. THE DEALER HAS DUPLICATED THIS PROBLEM ON OTHER 2002'S AND LEXUS IN CALIFORNIA ADMITS THERE IS A PROBLEM BUT HAS NO FIX. I HAVE BEEN TOLD FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW THAT A FIX IS COMING BUT STILL NO FIX. I HOPE SOMEONE DOES NOT GET KILLED FROM THIS DEFECT BEFORE IT GETS FIXED! PLEASE DO SOMETHING. *NLM
    15
    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10023430 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: December 1, 2002
    VIN : Not Available
    Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
    Summary: THE 2002 LEXUS ES300 HAS A SIGNIFICANT FLAW IN THE NEW ELECTRONICALLY CONTROLLED TRANSMISSION SYSTEM. THIS FLAW HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED BY MULTIPLE DEALERSHIPS AND BY LEXUS CUSTOMER SERVICE. I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A RESOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM SINCE DECEMBER 2002 WHICH IS SHORTLY AFTER I PURCHASED THE VEHICLE. THERE ARE THREE VERY OBVIOUS SYMPTOMS THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRING EVER SINCE I PURCHASED THE VEHICLE. DEPENDING UPON FUEL AND DRIVING CONDITIONS, THE CAR WILL DEVELOP A NECK JERKING SHUTTER AS IT VIOLENTLY SHIFTS BETWEEN GEARS. THIS USUALLY OCCURS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 40 AND 50 MPH, BUT MOST OFTEN WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN A CONSTANT SPEED. THE SECOND CONDITION OCCURS WHEN YOU GO FROM A SLOWING SITUATION INTO AN ACCELERATION SITUATION. DURING THIS TIME, THE CAR OFTEN GOES INTO A NEUTRAL CONDITION AND TAKES A COUPLE SECONDS BEFORE POWER IS RETURNED TO THE WHEELS. THIS CONDITION IS VERY DANGEROUS WHEN MOVING INTO TRAFFIC OR TURNING A CORNER. WHEN TURNING, YOU WILL NEARLY COAST AROUND THE CORNER UNTIL THE POWER IS RETURNED TO THE WHEELS. WHEN THE POWER IS RETURNED, IT IS VERY ABRUPT AND LUNGES THE CAR FORWARD. THE THIRD CONDITION OCCURS DURING FULL THROTTLE ACCELERATION. THIS IS MOST EVIDENT WHEN ACCELERATING ONTO A HIGHWAY. THE CAR SEEMS TO SHIFT INTO A VERY LOW GEAR WHERE RPM IS NEARLY RED-LINE AND POWER IS ALMOST NON-EXISTENT. THE CAR THEN JERKS INTO A DIFFERENT GEAR WHERE YOU MAY GET MORE POWER, BUT IT DOESN'T USUALLY STAY IN THAT GEAR EITHER. IT THEN SHIFTS BACK TO THE LOW GEAR, RED-LINES AGAIN AND REPEATS THE PROCESS. THIS WILL OFTEN OCCUR 2 OR 3 TIMES BEFORE A GOOD GEAR IS FOUND AND YOU CAN THEN PROCEED WITH NORMAL DRIVING. AT THIS POINT, LEXUS DID MAKE A COUPLE LEASE PAYMENTS FOR ME IN EXCHANGE FOR WAITING A FEW MORE MONTHS FOR THE FIX. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WAS NEARLY A YEAR AGO AND I'M STILL WAITING. WE NEED TO GET THIS FIXED BEFORE SOMEONE GETS INJURED, NOT AFTER! *NLM
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    Make : LEXUS Model : ES300 Year : 2002
    Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
    Crash : No Fire : No Number of Injuries: 0
    ODI ID Number : 10037515 Number of Deaths: 0
    Date of Failure: September 8, 2003
    VIN : JTHBF30G720...
    Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION:CONTROL MODULE (TCM, PCM)
    Summary: DANGEROUS CONDITION EXISTS WITH 2002 LEXUS ES300, WHERE A SEVERE HESITATION EXISTS WHEN ACCELERATING AT SLOW ROLL (< 5MPH) AT INTERSECTION TURNS, EXITING DRIVEWAYS, AND GENERALLY ANYWHERE WHEN TRYING TO GET INTO FLOW OF TRAFFIC WHEN NEARLY STOPPED - ESPECIALLY WHEN A TURN IS INVOLVED ALONG WITH THE ACCELERATION. VERY DANGEROUS CONDITION EXISTS WHEN TRYING TO ENTER LANE, OR MAKE A TURN, IN FRONT OF FAST-MOVING TRAFFIC. IT SEEMS THE CAR'S ELECTRONICS DOES NOT REGOGNIZE THE ACCELERATOR'S REQUEST FOR FUEL UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS. A PRIOR LEXUS TSB ADDRESSED TRANSMISSION SHIFTING AT HIGHER SPEEDS, BUT SEEMS TO HAVE CREATED A NEW, AND POTENTIALLY MORE DANGEROUS CONDITION.*AK
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