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Porsche Boxster and Boxster S

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  • chile96chile96 Posts: 330
    I've seen used ones go for ~$1500. Even if it's not the right color, you can get it professionally painted for a total less than $3200. They are probably demanding a high premium now(winter's around the corner) so I bet you could get a smoking dealnext Feb/Mar!

    good luck
    fo
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,595
    put the top down, it really improves visibility:^)

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    Not only that, it cures all squeaks, rattles and noises!

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  • Thanks for the feedback. I think I will just enjoy it as a convertible now.
  • ek01ek01 Posts: 37
    I am considering the purchase of a late model Boxster for all year driving. Our family has an SUV for practical purposes but I would like to drive a convertible for myself. Is anyone driving the Boxster in winter in regions with snowfall ( I am in Toronto ) and if you are, can you tell me whether the driving is manageable in snow (with snow tires).
  • The radio in my '03 Boxster has bad reception. Is this a common phenomenon with Boxsters?
  • I'm looking at purchasing a '01 Boxster S for year round driving in the Midwest and was curious if there was anyone out there with experience driving in the snow/rain w/ or w/o snow tires and if so which snow tires you'd recommend. Thx.
  • sailnfast - The Boxster is excellent in the rain on standard factory tires. I can attest to that from my own experience.

    As for winter driving...first I have to ask...do you have an alternative vehicle to use? Second, if you want to take the S out in the snow, you MUST have winter tires. Summer performance tires will not get any traction in the snow or slush.

    An excellent choice, in my opinion, is the Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2. It's highly rated in Consumer Reports, and the TireRack.com states that it's not only 100% Porsche-approved, but also recommended by Audi, MB and others. I've owned Dunlops before and think they make fine tires.

    A long-standing choice for Porsches is the Bridgestone Blizzak (LM-22 would the the top model for a Boxster, I think, but I'd check that out).

    Another thing to consider is buying a set of steel wheels for the winter. Saves on rebalancing costs and you won't damage your nice wheels with winter salt, etc. You might want to get a hardtop, if you don't have one already. They look sharp on the Boxster, too, imo.
  • ds2k1ds2k1 Posts: 101
    just picked up my brand new '03 boxster s on 12/31. because it was end of year, and dealerships are trying hard to get rid of '03s, got an amazing deal. got a $56k sticker car for $45k even. couldn't possibly turn that deal down, especially since there's no change from '03 to '04. the car is an absolute pleasure to drive, and i've already driven it in both rain and clear weather, top up and top down. man, porsche has really got this car thing figured out. can't imagine ever going back. but i still have the 911 to look forward to down the road (knocking on wood as i type this!).
  • Congratulations! In case you didn't know, you're the second person on these boards who just got a sweet deal on an S (designman is the other).

    As for the 911 longings, it might help to know that I've been trolling rennlist boards lately and there's a lot of griping about 996 quality control, including replaced engines. So, as they say, be careful what you wish for...and enjoy that Boxster!
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Speeds2much, had the top down on New Years Day… 40 degrees… no scarf due to IDS (Isadora Duncan Syndrome). Had a some initial guilt for not getting the 993 but it quickly passed.

    Love this car… everything I expected and more. Lots to talk about but I’ll probably bore you with newbie stuff. The toughest thing is getting used to the 6-speed, especially downshifting. Gotta get to the point where I know it by rote. One time I went from 6 to 4 and hit 2 instead… get your act together boy!

    Did some serious twistin’ on Connecticut country roads over the weekend. Also love the boogaloo in daily commuter traffic, you know, bobbin’ and weavin’ like a point guard. I’m really anxious to get past the break-in period so I can get on the tach and the brakes. The manual says 4.2K rpm for the first 2K miles with civilized braking. Gotta be careful though… getting nailed would take the wind out of my sails bigtime! Would like to hear some perspective on this, and your handle suggests you have a LOT of perspective. ;-)

    ds2k1, congrats! Guess we’re twins… got mine on New Year’s Eve also. “…porsche has really got this car thing figured out.” Amen brother!!
  • ds2k1ds2k1 Posts: 101
    couldn't believe how busy the dealership was on 12/31. apparently, because of some weird tax break, a bunch of people were buying cayennes. not sure about the cayenne, but if you have to drive an suv, you could do worse i imagine. anyway, designman, what kind of deal were you able to squeeze out of them?

    as to the break-in period, my salesman told me that's really a bunch of hogwash. the engine's already been put through the ringer at the factory, and it IS a porsche after all. it's not meant to be treated with kid's gloves. his advice to me was to avoid redlining it for too long in the first 800 miles, but don't worry too much. his exact words were, "have fun with it, it's a porsche." i plan on following his sage advice.

    and though i live in california, it's actually been pretty cold here lately. nevertheless, on 1/1, with temps in the high 40s, had the top down all day and had a friggin' blast. clear, crisp skies made for a fabulous driving experience. i ask you, is there a finer sound than the boxer engine? without getting pornographic, i can't think of any. i do, however, recommend bringing some gloves along for those long drives on clear winter days.

    speeds2much - thanks for the soothing words re the 996, but i'm not sure i'll shake the jones fully. now don't get me wrong, the boxster's doing a helluva job making me forget all about the 911, but childhood dreams die hard my friend. first things first, however. i intend to make the boxster beg for mercy before moving on. my guess is that this might take awhile.

    cheers!
  • designman - Sounds fantastic! As for advice on speeding, I have a clean driving record, due to a combination of luck and more importantly, driving in context, always aware of my surroundings. That means keeping a safe distance from other cars and driving with the pack, hitting sprints when there's open road ahead, looking out for hills and trees that are ideal for speed traps, keeping in the right lane as much as possible, obeying speed limits in towns and cities...basically, being the fox. ;o)

    ds2k1...Whenever I don't have exactly what I really want, I always look at it as hey, is this current thing I wish I had the ultimate, or is there something even better to shoot for? There always is. For you, I say that's the 997 or 998. I think it was Motor Trend that wrote about a possible retractable hardtop for the cab. It's a certainty that there will be a much better interior and more horsepower, as well as traditional round headlights. Porsche also needs to work on its quality control for the 9-series.
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    Congratulations to both of you. There's nothing better than a new (sports) car! As I type this, it is 14 degrees in central Mass and predicted for single numbers tonight, so I trust the tops are up!

    Quality control at Porsche stopped, at least in the sense a "purist" means it, in the early 90s. In that recession, the elves were dismissed and slunk off into the dark, norther European forests. Porsche was struggling and so they brought in some Japanese advisors to teach them how to adopt their techniques. So what do you get when you cross a German idea and a Japanese technique? Not an ethnic joke (at least not this time) but a 993 and then a 996, and in between a Boxster.

    Not bad at all, hunh? But the "quality control" that had every engine obsessed over by its individual craftsman has been highly, ummmm, "modified" so that now there is lots of plastic and the Cayenne and talk of a V-6 and steel roadster tops. (On dark nights the elves can be heard muttering curses.)

    But some traditions have remained: the Porsche problems. Remember this, for those who are new, all Porsche engines, ALL OF THEM, are bulletproof. Nothing ever breaks. The maintenance is, admittedly, a bit (cough)expensive(cough), but there is nothing really wrong because it is, after all, a Porsche.

    Two of the things some of the 'newbies' on the 996 board at Rennlist complain about are engine leaks and ceramic brake failures. What some fail to realize is that oil leaks are, in a P-car, a no-cost option! Those who own 964s and 993s consider a quart of oil lost each 600 miles within normal ranges. And if it gets to be a bad leak (i.e., having to step over the puddle each morning) the company provides a new engine -- sometimes even a bit beyond warranty, they say. (So don't quote this as fact.) And the $8000 ceramic brake option has had wear problems, in as little as a thousand miles (with considerable track use), and the owners who complain are often disregarded, not because the problem doesn't exist but because Porsche owners seem to traditionally be a part of the R&D process in bringing new, fast technology to the road. No, this ain't a Nissan, but because this is what Porsche seems to expect from owners, the company also has a reputation for returning the favor by upgrading and replacing the defective 'beta' versions.

    I guess the Japanese didn't want to ruin all of the traditions (lol)! None of you bought a '97 Boxster did you? Good. Enjoy em if y'got'em. JW
  • ds2k1ds2k1 Posts: 101
    thanks for the insight. i've also reveled in the legend of the "bulletproof" porsche engine, and must admit that i allowed myself to fall prey to its charms when deciding upon my current brand of transportation (honda can't be THAT much more reliable than a porsche, right? - this is what I tell myself). with that said, i don't plan on owning the car past warranty, so i take some solace in knowing that big problems are the manufacturer's problems and that my dealer has a loaner with my name on it waiting for me if that becomes necessary.

    also, although i've always admired porsche, i'm not very nostalgic for old cars. at least not to the point where i want to own them. i enjoy looking at them, and i enjoy them intellectually and philosophically, but i enjoy them from afar. i simply don't have the gear-head gene in my person. i have the driver's gene, but not the tweaky gear-head gene. with that said, i admire those who do. my dad is one of them and is about to rebuild a beautiful '61 alfa romeo sprint veloce for the second time. what a car.

    so, while i freely admit that i expect my '03 boxster s to visit its prior home (the dealership and, more importantly, the service department) more often than an s2000 would have if i'd gone that direction (the other car i considered, and drove, but that's another story), the visceral pleasure i get from the porsche, and the hope that a car cannot be THAT bad its first 3 years, makes me think i made the right decision. actually, i have no doubt about it at all. this was the car for me.

    but i appreciate knowing that anything short of a puddle of oil in my garage is not cause for alarm.
  • I have been considering buying a Boxster S for quite some time and like many have said the price is right now. The 2003 models are $10,000 below MSRP. I know that is is a porsche and I've always wanted one but it is very expensive. I don't mind the initial expense to buy the vehicle but how is the maintenance for this vehicle. What should I plan on spending annually for maintenance (I know that there are many factors) and how does Porsche back up the car. I've heard stories that oil changes are $500, tires need to be replaced every 5,000 miles, clutches are $3,000. I don't believe these all to be true but I do want to have an idea what the cost will be to have this vehicle. Any assistance is appreciated. Thanks.
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    You may not want to lay claim to the gene, but you seem to have the "bug"! Can be fatal. LOL.

    I certainly don't mean to sound any note of discouragement, just trying for a little perspective on the experience. Like you I prefer paying for pleasure and engagement rather than for the passive and monotonous ambience of, say, a Buick. JW
  • ds2k1ds2k1 Posts: 101
    true, the "bug" does have a tendency to work its way into your dna, doesn't it? i guess only time will tell how successful that little bug is in winding its way into my central nervous system. i'm only 36 now, so that bug's got years to incubate.

    since i drive more than 80 miles per day, i prefer that my driving experience also be a pleasurable and engaging one. spending that time in a porsche not only makes the most seemingly monotonous part of my day anything but, it improves the quality of my life. life is, after all, for living.

    and with all due respect, i must disagree with you on one point. my best friend in high school had a buick. a mustard yellow buick. while it certainly couldn't pull .92g's on the skidpad, it was more than capable of transporting six people (many of them women, luckily) wherever we needed to go. in style. in fact, my friend's car was the transportation of choice. in high school, that's anything but monotonous, my friend.
  • After hanging out at the BMW 5 series board for the last few years I am poised to make our first Porsche purchase this year. I know what I want (Boxster w/convenience plus package (Bose, anti-theft, cruise, windstop, colored center caps, CD shelf, bi-xenons, PSM and trip computer) sport seats, heated seats, sport chassis, 18" Carrera wheels and metallic paint) and have actually been out looking for a 2003 Boxster or Boxster S that comes close to my specs. Althought there are some great deals out there it appears that I will have to order this car (like our 2002 530i) to get it equiped the way I want.

    My local sales person told me that Porsche is cutting 2004 Boxster production in half to keep the supply in line with demand as well as keep the prices up. The best deal I can expect for ordering this car is $3k to $4k off MSRP according to the sales person.

    My questions are.... 1. has any one recently come across a 2003 Boxster or Boxster S that comes close to the one I want and 2. is $3k to $4k off of a car that will sticker for $55,260 the norm ?

    Thx.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Ds2k… You are right about the luscious sound of the engine… it sings in harmony… has that jet-like whir with baritone exhaust. The latter reminds me of a tenor sax. Sometimes I even prefer not to turn on the juke box… would rather hear the music of the engine coming over the shoulder… real sweet when it gets into the alto range above 4K rpm.
        You asked about my deal… 02, stickered for $56.5K, paid $42, SP, PSM, cruise. My salesman concurs with yours about break-in. Personally, my intuition agrees with the manual and I am deferring to it.

    Speeds2much… I am also vigilant and carefully choose moments, like anyone who values his license. BTW, my dealer has an 03 S with your name on it… red/gray asking 44.9. You could probably get it for 43.

    Jwilson1…"What some fail to realize is that oil leaks are, in a P-car, a no-cost option!" I guess this explains why the manual recommends checking oil with every gas fill. I suppose it’s as forthcoming as a company can be. Funny, the Boxster dipstick reminds me of a catheter with stent. What is it, some 40in. long?

    Wantaboxster2… regarding maintenance costs, you are wise to look into it… not like me… I'll learn as I go along and just pay the piper when necessary. It seems the general consensus is that Boxsters are overpriced. Also, you must pay for routine maintenance, unlike a BMW with which you get 4-yr/50K mi free maintenance. There are other sports cars that offer more "value", but IMO none have the Porsche pedigree in all manner of style and performance. I've been dreaming about one for 30 years now so this is something I really can't put a price tag on. In addition you are very right, this is Porsche bargain time. Last year my salesman told me "Porsche doesn't discount" with that haughty attitude we are all familiar with. Recently he said "I really thought I'd never see this happen." Didn't anyone ever tell him that all things must pass?

    Jhammell… I'm not up on 04 pricing because it didn't interest me. However, I know you can get an 03 at a really good price… $9K or $10K off sticker… but not with all of the options you listed… leftovers are always a compromise. But if you gotta have it your way, go for it.

    Chile96… how are those pizza runs going? Get lost yet? My wife is starting to get it, especially when I reminded her that my mother, sister, her sister and a good friend of her's all drive stick and are ogling this baby. If she doesn't come around, that's OK too... I can live with the guy thing!
    ______

    Well I made it to the mileage millenium. Every day when I climb in and fire it up, it's like a teen-age crush... I don't want to work, don't want to go home… just want to drive my butt off. Too bad there's such a thing called reality. Can't wait for that first 60-degree-winter-day anomaly so I can play hooky and lose the top.

    Hey, a little anecdote… last night on a certain highway entrance I got up to speed quickly and inadvertently overtook a late-model M3 that was loping along. I guess he thought I was spreading testosterone so he got on my tail in a flash. I just pulled over into the right lane, gave him the thumbs-up and "let" him pass. Told myself, boy, you are green-on-the-vine and that's an M3. As Harry Callahan said… a man's gotta know his limitations. I suppose this will be happening quite often. No matter, sprints aren't my bag anyway… I like curves… and as Wolfman Jack used to say—baby, if you got the COYVES, I got da ANGLES!

    Only 70 days 'til Spring… man, this car rocks and I'm lovin' it!

    ;-)
  • Is that Carmon Red or Guards Red? Carmon is one of my favorites...would be extra sweet on grey. I'm tempted, but will suffer with my X-Type for a while until I have a garage and opportunity for a second car. Lots of interesting stuff going on, but in the Porsche dept. will have to live vicariously through you. ;o)
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    designman, I'd like you well enough just for your citation of Wolfman Jack, even without your new Boxster ... haven't heard anyone appreciate his wisdom in awhile!

    Checking the oil is a stitch, ain't it? And when the oil's clean, it seems especially hard. Another Porsche tradition -- on some of the older model boards there are folk who've come up with various tricks to change the clarity of the reading on the dipstick! lol JW
  • Thanks to designman and jwilson1 for the responses. Yesterday I emailed about 75 dealers in the Southeast (and a bit of the Midwest) what I was looking for in the car. Today at 10:01 AM the phone and emails starting coming and now at 4:00 PM I have heard back from approximately 20 dealers. As thought no one has the exact car but it appears that there may be a few that come close and we are willing to compromise for a significant savings.

    I have driven a 911 at Road Atlanta and know that there is a difference between the 911 and the Boxster. The 911 is an awesome automobile. We want to have a convertible (since we will sell our '94 Saab 900S convertible to make room for the Boxster) but a new 911 convertible is much more money than we want to spend on a new car.

    I will keep you posted as to how this turns out.

    JH
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    Ah yes, the Edmund's tradition at work!

    Good luck. JW
  • Any luck with your search? I agree with you on the 996 cab. Great car, but when compared with a Boxster it's a hard sell. The cab makes sense for someone who simply doesn't care about the money. I can make a case for the 996 coupe, for its driving excellence, but the cab, I don't really get it.
  • Does anyone have any info on the next genration Boxster?

    Will there be a coupe?

    Will Boxster offer a Hard-Top convertible like Mercedes and Lexus do?
  • jwilson1jwilson1 Posts: 956
    1. Not really. Best guess is for 2006 or 07.

    2. So they say. Reality or a guess? Who knows. A coupe has long been requested but Porsche has shown hesitation in developing the Boxster. They have to do something pretty soon because the present model is just sitting on the lots ... some have supposed the coupe may be added to the 986 version but that's wishful thinking.

    3. Not even much discussion of this. That format carries lots of extra weight and most Porsche buyers would be reluctant to trade in their performance for that sort of high style. JW
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    speeds2much... it's Guards Red... agree, Carmen/Grey is nice. Hey, that Jag is real nice too... and it does the right thing in NE weather. We're at 8 degrees with 7 inches right now in my area and I'm warming up for the second shift with the shovel. Had a rare 911 sighting yesterday. Most of them are tucked away for the winter so I suppose it will be a while before the next one peeks out from under the snow.

    JW - I still have 911 on the brain. I just told my wife the other day that I want to move to NJ, further from NYC so we can get a bigger house. My next vision is a 4-car garage replete with carpentry workshop. That fourth spot would be for say a 89 cab or targa. Make that a five car garage and throw in an E39 M5 or 88 M6. Throw in the divorce papers too. Actually, she's getting a kick out of this "guy thing", so we'll see how far I can push it.

    Sorry for the rant, it's either that or newbie drivel.

    ;-)
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    I once did a cartoon about how to convert a useless bedroom into a 4 car garage. In the cartoon world, it seemed easy enough with a chain saw. I used the back wall as a ramp and the half-bath made a great parts cleaning area. You might want to discuss this with your wife.

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