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Subaru Crew: Suggestions for Subaru

paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
edited March 21 in Subaru
And I'll buy it tomorrow. I'll sell my beloved Trooper in a heartbeat!

Now onto more serious things...

All Weather Package in the WRX Please.
And Leather and moonroof on the Forester XT.

-mike
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  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    Hopefully the preliminary information is wrong. It looks like people are already crossing the 04 WRX wagon off of their list because of this.

    -Dennis
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    And Leather and moonroof option on the Forester XT with manual tranny that is.

    -Frank P.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    In the spirit of launching this new forum, here are a few suggestions:

    • It's ironic, that the new STi has the best cruise-control stalk of any Subie offered in North America. This car—of all Subarus—is probably the one in which cruise control will be least used! :)

    What's so good about the STi's cruise control stalk? Very simply, the on/off switch is now contained at the very end of the stalk, like what Toyota and a few others do. All the cruise control functions are now contained in one very easy-to-use location. I never did like having the on/off switch on the dash.

    Now if only they get the cruise control "engaged" light to only work when it is engaged (not just "on"), I'll be a very happy camper! :)

    So SOA, please give all Subies the STi's cruise control stalk!

    • I would expect the up-coming all-new Legacy to expand the use of VTD.

    • I would expect the up-coming all-new Legacy to offer dual-zone climate control on top-of-the-line models.

    • I would expect the up-coming all-new Outback to combine the LL Bean and VDC models into one model.

    • Let's give the WRX an ambient temperature gauge—please...

    • I'm with Paisan: The B11S concept is a perfect replacement for the SVX! It also sets the right direction (IMHO) for future Subies, in terms of styling!

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I'm gonna have to disagree. I like the on-dash button and wheel mounted controls. Why you ask?

    Well for reliability. How many times have wee seen the delicate stalk controls break over time? I think having a hard button on the dash for On/Off and the semi-hard controls on the steering wheel lead to a longer lifespan. As an example, the cruise control switch on my '88 XT6 was still working w/o issue 12-13years after production.

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Should be standard on the XT with Manual, why you ask? For production reasons, if you make the moonroof and leather optional, then you increase your costs exponentially.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    I have to disagree with your cruise control reliability assessment. I don't think the location has anything to do with reliability.

    The stalk is far more intuitive than having buttons on the steering wheel. Push up on the stalk to accelerate/resume. Push down on the stalk to lower the speed/set. Pull the stalk towards you to cancel.

    I have both set-ups: My Explorer has buttons on the steering wheel (as did my previous Hondas) and our Forester has the stalk. I can use the Foresters stalk at night and never worry about hitting the "right" button. I don't even have to look for it. Give me the stalk any day of the week.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    * Build the B11S! What a beautiful halo car that would make. Keep the styling and spread it across the range.
    * WRX wagon deserves the AWP and moonroof option too
    * Forester XT 5 speed should be offered with the Premium package

    -juice
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Mike- I disagree that SOA should make leather and moonroof standard on the XT cause it would inflate the price too much. I think they should just offer the same premium package option that already exists for the XS but allow it for the MT also.

    Here's a big one- Offer a choice of transmissions (AT or MT) for the H-6!

    -Frank P.
  • bsvollerbsvoller Posts: 528
    OK, I'm going to rehash some things here for the sake of having them all in one spot...

    Brian's feature wish list for the Subaru line-up:

    1) True class II towing on the Outback, Forester and Baja, i.e. 3500# + 800# in the tow vehicle after tongue weight. Most if not all of Volvo's entire line will tow 3300# now.

    2) 6MT on the 2.5NA engine, with 5 & 6 overdriven (5th at highway speeds is too "tall", gets noisy) Not sure how you're gearing the 2.5T, but do the same if you're turning 3000+ at 80.

    3) I want a Forester XT MT with the premium package, sans leather and automatic - the way you sold it in '01.

    4) Dump the group 35 battery in the Forester (and everywhere else you're using it). I want a real battery. You could bundle a bigger battery with the AWP, a towing package, or both. 320CCA is a joke, to put it bluntly. Aftermarket availability (>600CCA) in a group 35 is severely limited - durability of high capacity batteries in this size is poor due to plate density. It gets cold in the mountains!

    5) Make the dual range center diff an option in our market, at least for the Forester and Baja. Bundle it with add'l bracing and anti-skid plates in an off-road package.

    6) The whole world is going to 5AT's. Please do so too.

    7) If you grafted your drivetrain (3.0l H-6) to a Mazda MPV, I'd buy one tomorrow. Really. Can I order today? OK, add an inch to the MPV's track width. It looks tall and narrow. Pretty please?

    8) Don't make the Forester bigger. Keep it "right-sized" and nimble. Offer a bigger model in the lineup instead.

    9) Put the real mid-gate back in the Baja. Make the 2.5T standard. Go with 5 passenger seating. Dump the cladding or make it optional ("Sport"). Dump the glitzy features or make them optional (XS or premium package). See Bob for details. :)

    -brianV
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    Not sure if this topic is geared toward "what we think Subaru should offer" (company/business perspective) or "what we WANT Subaru to offer" (personal interest). Selfishly I'll go with the latter.

    Impreza: AWP and sunroof optional on WRX wagon, but please don't tie them together - I want AWP, don't really want sunroof (I'm mostly bald); stripped-down "club racer" package a la JDM Type RA for base WRX and WRX STi (geared toward dedicated racers); upholstery for OBS that doesn't look and feel like a burlap sack. Full Impreza line could stand rear cupholders a la Forester.

    Forester: Leather delete option for premium models; monotone/two-tone/paint delete option for lower cladding on XS; sports package for XT similar to JDM Cross Sports/UK Prodrive WR Sport packages.

    Legacy: High-performance non-Outback wagon and sedan, available w/MT and AT; monotone/two-tone/paint delete option for lower cladding on Outback; eliminate Outback sedan.

    Baja: Honestly not concerned. I see it as a way to extend the current-gen Legacy product cycle and do not expect to see a version of it in the next-gen Legacy.

    Full line: Sportshift AT available on all top-of-the-line versions of each model (WRX, Forester XT, high-performance Legacy, Outback H6); VTD available with all AT Subarus: standard with Sportshift, optional for others; weather band radios standard with all; "off-road/rough road" package for all to include rear differential cover, metal (not plastic) front skidplate, larger mudflaps.

    Other: If there is a market for the B11S a/k/a "new SVX" 2+2 2-door GT car, build it. If not learn from the styling cues and styling mistakes to guide future design. We tend to speak of our wants in terms of cost savings to Subaru, but the plethora of models, options, packages and accessories available in the JDM suggests that cost isn't a concern on the home island. Make those things available to us here in North America as stand-alone, warrantied items and we'll snap them up like candy. What percentage of Subaru's overall revenue comes from North America, anyway?

    Some of these may be coming already for all I know.

    Ed
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Oh didn't realize the Premium was an option on the AT, thought it was std. on the AT. In that case, yeah make it an option.

    They don't have a manual transmission that can handle the power of the H6 engine, that is the reason for the AT only on it.

    They should develop an MT and a 5EAT for the H6 though. Heck engineer an MT and an EAT for the 396hp/405lbs torque of the B11S and then you can put it in the lower models and save on costs as well as have an overly powerful tranny.

    -mike
  • twrxtwrx Posts: 647
    1. All H6 available with 5 speed.
    2. Sunroof/CW package on WRX wagon.
    3. 5 speed premium package Forester XT.
    4. Bajas:

    a. Base: $19,000 delete SR, leather, H4.
    b. Rugged: $21,000 Base plus H6 with increased towing.
    c. Luxury/VDC: $29,000 H6 plus, leather, CD changer, SR, heated seats, VDC, climate control.
    d. Sport: $26,000 turbo H4, (Forester spec) 16" wheels with 55-205 (reduces ground clearance to 6") delete leather in favor of sport seats, SR, 6 disc changer, MOMO wheel, Al pedals etc.

    What do you think eh?

    TWRX
  • blackbeanblackbean Posts: 100
    Ok, here is my wish list. I currently have a 2002 LL Bean that needs the following "upgrades" to make it really perfect:
    1. More back seat room - for 3 adults (maybe 2" wider)
    2. More Cargo room - maybe nake vehicle 4" longer overall (2'' for F&R legroom and 2" for cargo) and square off rear hatch to give more useful space for big stuff.
    3. Only one sunroof - bigger and it opens all the way - like in the new Forester!!!
    4. Eliminate body cladding (or at least give option for color-matched body cladding).
    5. Locking differntials (manual or electronic) - basically a 4WD switch - hate to admit, but I got stuck in deep snow that had ice underneath - the opposite corner wheels just spun - I know I could have slogged out if ALL 4 wheels would have turned together in a "LOW" setting. Nothing fancy, just the option to make it out on your own (I stuck sticks under all the wheels and got out without having to call for help - but the wife still teased me relentlessly :(
    6. Auto-down and auto-up for BOTH front windows.
    7. A cruise control "activated" light on the dash - controls are fine and I like the lighted rocker switch, but I just want a visual confirmation that the cruise is engaged.
    8. Ok, now I am getting really nitpicky, but how about a framed window door and less side-mirror wind noise???

    So, I would be happy to trade in my LL Bean for the new model as soon as they become available... :-)
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Haa that would be funny. There are only 3 vehicles that come with factory lockers:

    H2 Hummer
    GWagen
    Not sure of the 3rd but I think there are 3

    You should have a rear LSD on your LL Bean so you should have been able to slog out with BOTH rear wheels turning.

    -mike
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    "Make those things available to us here in North America as stand-alone, warrantied items and we'll snap them up like candy."

    Ed makes a very good point here. While the new limited STi bits are a good start, SoA really needs to work on more options for N. America.

    I recently spent nearly $150 buying a rear cup holder, headlight and foglight covers from a UK dealership. I just spent over $800 in Prodrive wheels which was cheap since The Tire Rack no longer sells them. Those wheels are $300 each at dealers in the U.K.
    SoA and/or FHI really needs to get onboard with the Prodrive/STi market as well as other WRX options available in the UK. If not, well I guess I'll just have to spend my money at UK dealers and other U.S. Prodrive distributors. :-)

    -Dennis
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    I just spent $190 for the Prodrive mudflaps. Yes, UK.
    I'm now working on Rear Waist Spoiler and the UK 17s.
    Maybe EDM project headlights, maybe.
    That's going to be about $3,000 that could be spent SoA's way.
    I agree, SoA needs to go at the cake while it's still whole.

    -Dave
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'll follow Ed's lead and list what I want. Here is my Dream Subaru Fleet:

    Forester XT Sport: 2.5l turbo engine, 5 speed manual, low range, unpainted lower cladding, metal skid plates, 2" lift from the factory, moonroof as the only "luxury" option. Basically a built-up X model with a turbo and a very reasonable price. Beefed up towing and 9-pin harness for hitch. Price around $25k equipped.

    Big SUW: 7 seater with H6 and 5 speed Shiftronic auto, heated cloth, big moonroof, but *NO* cladding or two-tone at all. This would be the wife's car and do family duty. 2nd and 3rd rows fold flat. Factory window tint. $30k MSRP with no fancy stereo, no Momo, no BBS, no leather to inflate prices.

    B11S targa-top: OK, to keep it affordable use a 2.5T engine and price it around $30k. Let the 400hp powertrain take prices to just under $40k so they have a true halo car.

    Wow, what a dream fleet! :-)

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    Think there's enough here to get you started?

    Gosh, people here asking for towing upgrades and dual-range trannys, and I didn't have to say a word... :)

    Bob
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Equality!

    Give wagons and manual transmission models the same options as their sedan and AT brethren!!

    It just doesn't make sense coming from a company that established brand equity on wagons and is now aiming for performance.

    Ken
  • hondafriekhondafriek Ottawa CanadaPosts: 2,933
    Could you post the URLs for those UK dea;ers please.

      All the subies in Canada will get the AWP, and I do not see why it is not the same across the board in the states..

     Granted in several states it would be superflous, but in those States I would think Subaru would be a minimal presence anyway.

      So one suggestion from me would be make the AWP standard across the board like it is in Canada.

     Cheers Pat.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    for all Legacy/Outback wagons, Forester and Baja; add the self-leveling rear suspension found in other markets..

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    << A wider WRX-type seat for us fat Americans would be helpful though. >>

    What about having adjustable side bolsters, so that "wide-bodies" can also be comfortable?

    Bob
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    Forester forum, actually. See my comments there. A grippy, heated Alcantara-clad seat with good lumbar and decent thigh support would make me a very happy fire hydrant-shaped camper.

    Ed
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Shoot, Ken, I say pull an "Animal Farm" and make the wagons "more equal". If anything give them features first, let the sedans be the afterthought.

    Subaru is largely seen as a maker of AWD wagons, why not?

    I'd like to see Subaru phase out rear drum brakes. The OBS is getting them so only the TS and the Forester X are left. Why bother continuing to stock those items? Stream line with discs only to save costs in the long run.

    -juice
  • bsvollerbsvoller Posts: 528
    Just looking out for ya, Bob! :)

    OT: Bob gave me G4 envy. I should inherit a nice G4Ti Powerbook this month at work though. Sadly, I'm still using a 1996 Motorala Starmax 3000 (Apple clone) at home. Definately not a good purchasing decision... Oh well, live and learn...

    -brianV
  • bluesubiebluesubie Posts: 3,497
    I have a friend/co-worker that goes to the UK a few times a year and picks up small parts for me. The dealer is Tiley of Bristol (www.tiley.com) but I don't know if they ship to N. America. You could try doing a web search on Ace Kensington as I believe they ship.

    There is one U.S. vendor that gets the UK OEM wheels. I can't think of the name though. edit: vividracing.com(?)

    Now back to our regularly scheduled program. :-)

    -Dennis
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    When I was in London several years ago, I visited Ace Kensington. They're located in a hard to find, but delightful little alley called Radley Mews. I contacted them last year requesting UK Subie brochures, and to my surprise, they sent me some!

    Now, back to our regularly scheduled program...

    Bob
  • lark6lark6 Posts: 2,565
    ...in November 2000. Got to sit in an Impreza P1 there; I'd have been terrified to drive it out into London traffic. It was there I also learned of the Forester WR Sport package. I have been looking for a WR Sport exhaust to import into the US for my car ever since, to no avail...:-(

    Ed
  • Juice-

    The '04 Impreza TS is getting rear disc brakes in Canada. I'm hoping that the Forester X will also get them since the Forester is a higher level vehicle than the TS.

    Jon
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    "all" Subarus for '04 will have 4-wheel disks, even in the USA.

    Bob
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