Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





Good, Bad or Ugly - Current and Future styling trends of BMW

1192022242536

Comments

  • pfolkpfolk Posts: 70
    Is it just me or does the re-designed trunk of the '06 7 series, just announced with breathless press releases by BMW, look a lot like the back end of a Ford Taurus when they had a squared-off trunk?

    It's a definite improvement from the first edition of the Bangle-designed 7, but still a disappointment.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Nah. Looks great. GIMME! GIMME! ME WANT!
  • xmf314xmf314 Posts: 154
    I thought the BMW boys would stick a good looking rump on the re-designed 7 series. But the new rump is just as ugly as the original Bangle bungle.

    Maybe the awkward design of the 7s rear end made it too difficult to execute a good looking posterior without major surgery.
  • draqdraq Posts: 18
    what is more important looks or substance? to me the new BMW 7 series does not look all that bad in fact I know in time the new look will grow on me, but what's important to me is comfort, reliability and power. I think, the new 7 has it all. I just wonder about the iDrive improvement. I have a 7 and i can't see how will they improve it. From the pics it look the same to me!!!
  • gordonwdgordonwd Posts: 336
    The problem with magazine testers (or people taking a test drive) is that they have no time to get really familiar with a car, so any control or feature that is out of the ordinary they tend to view as "wrong". For years, BMW motorcycles have used switches for the turn signals that are rather unique in the way they operate and nothing like the UJMs. Magazines always criticize them for this, but anyone who has actually owned one of these bikes gets used to them within a few days or weeks, and then operating them is simply automatic.

    So any computer-type control or NAV system is likely to get roasted by a tester who has only a couple of days to drive and evaluate it.
  • bpraxisbpraxis Posts: 292
    Maybe that is why so many of us are having such a hard time acclimating to Bangles new design language.

    It has been proven that we are attracted to people who shared a mathmatical symetry and precision of facial shape.

    Bangle has lines that are disjointed, syncopated, convuluted, and sometimes very interesting. I like the new Z4 very much.

    The current generation of the 3 series is so right to my eye that the new body style just misses the mark. It is somewhat nondescript and derivative of many designs.

    A shame because I really want to buy a BMW but cant get past the design for the new 3 series which would be my car of interest. Z4 is too small.

    And the competition is producing some very nice designs. I like the pics of the new Lexus iS and the new Infiniti M35-45. Very nice.

    Maybe they can do a better job the upcoming 3 series coupe.
  • sellerseller Posts: 1
    New design philosophy is bold, daring, ingenious and yes beautiful( and this is an opinion ). Critics of Bangle ......who cares...the guy has pinache and dare I say BALLS. If you don't like the looks of our cars and looks are your number one reason for buying a car don't choose BMW. Your loss.

    BMW is about progression, innovation, we aren't in the market to do what everyone else is doing.
    BMW invented ABS, traction control....I-DRIVE....which is , in case you didn,t notice, showing up in other high end brands.
    Maybe less expensive(cheaper) vehicles out rank us on the odd test here and there.....we are not for everyone...at these prices. You get what you pay for.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Bangle has lines that are disjointed, syncopated, convuluted, and sometimes very interesting."

    That come together to form a work of art. If one looks at pointillism an individual dot means nothing. But as a whole pointillist painters have produced classics.
  • mikarmikar Posts: 6
    If you are employed in the auto industry you should know that BMW did not invent ABS or traction control. Robert Bosch did some fundamental work on ABS in the 1930's but Heinz Lieber (first with Teldix & then Daimler-Benz) created the first working automotive ABS system in 1964.

    Opinions vary on who invented traction control (depending on whether it uses brake or throttle control) but Robert Bosch's name comes up most often.

    Ten million monkeys playing with CAD systems invented iDrive.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    I like BMW too, but they surely didn't invent traction control or ABS.

    M
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    Was not FIAT which sold the ABS patent to Bosch? Could you please let us know more on the process?

    José
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    This is a general question. Fuel for Diesel engines is usually cheaper than gasoline here in Europe. Someone has recently told me this is just the opposite in the U.S. A. Please, will anyone confirm it to me?

    Regards,

    José
  • warthogwarthog Posts: 216
    That is correct in my area (southeast USA). Diesel runs at or as much as $.10 above the cost of 93 octane gasoline.
  • Kirstie@EdmundsKirstie@Edmunds Posts: 10,676
    Let's stick to BMW styling. If you need help finding your way around the Forums, let me know and I'll help!

    Need help navigating? kirstie_h@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • 530ir1150r530ir1150r Posts: 263
    BMW motorcycles have used switches for the turn signals that are rather unique in the way they operate

    Unique, yes; better, no. I mishit way too often and have to look at the switches way too often.
  • mikarmikar Posts: 6
    This is the first time I've heard of Fiat being involved in ABS development. Bosch had a bunch of ABS patents by the 1950's but they might have acquired some variations or enhancements elsewhere. Fact is I don't know.

    Trivia (yawn) - The first operational ABS was used in 1858 in an attempt to lay a telegraph cable across the Atlantic. Apparently the cable kept snapping whenever the brake was applied to the cable feed spool and a form of ABS helped prevent this.
  • newbmrnewbmr Posts: 26
    All: I would enormouly appreciate your insights and any help and guidance you can offer on this.

    Kyfdx: I would love to hear your suggestions.

    I have a 2004 X3, and I now want to buy 2005 3-series with the following:

    -BUY (not lease)

    2005 325i w/:
    -auto trans
    -alpine white (w/ black or dark grey leatherette)
    -undecided on premium package

    The questions I have are:

    1) for 2005 what is a good/great deal to shoot for a purchase? (I am in San Fran Bay area)

    2) given that 3-series gets a total makeover in 2006 model (available in September '05), should I

    - wait till September when the new redesigned models are available hoping that BMW will make discounts to clear 2005s?

    - buy now,i.e. no meanigful upside to waiting till Sept.?

    - buy 2006 model in Sept as 2005 would have taken a big hit due to depreciation (i.e. 1 yr older model) and due to "obsolesence" of the old 3-series styling?

    I would really appreciate your guidance and insights on this matter.

    Regards,
    newbmr
  • turnbowmturnbowm Posts: 76
    You might have better luck on the "3 Series" forum.

    Martin T.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    It really is a challenging task trying to figure which BMW is ugliest, but on my scorecard the Z4 takes the cake. It subverts everything a sports car is supposed to be in all manner of styling. Can you imagine Porsche, Ferrari or Lambo trying to pull off something like this? All BMWs considered, no one is more off-mission than this poor excuse for a sports car which, by nature, is supposed to be the torch bearer for styling.

    image
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    Should I go to the therapist? As different from many of you, I like that new Z4 and I also like all in all the new 5 Series. I do not like however the former 5 & 3 Series styling.

    This new Z4 recalls me some British MG and particularly those Triumph TR3 and TR4 of many decades ago. By the way, are those 3 & 4 numbers merely a coincidence in the BMW Z Series? In any case, such cozy cars are not to be compared with full-size/engine sport cars like Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini. I believe they belong to a different line of sports cars.

    Regards,

    José
This discussion has been closed.