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Toyota Sienna 2004+

s1ginss1gins Posts: 46
edited March 12 in Toyota
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Wonder when they will produce the NAV system and whether it will be bundled with the RES!
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  • Bought a 2004 LE FW for approx $25,000 ($600 off MSRP). I've been driving it since last Friday approaching 1000 miles. The ride, comfort, power, noise, turning radius all were as expected - excellent. What I did not expect. and was pleasantly surprised at, gas mileage -- 26 MPG -- 80% highway, 20% city on just over 500 miles with the first tankful. Dealer filled the tank so I'm not sure if it was regular or premium gas. So far best vehicle I've owned for the money. One personal complaint -- after 2 hours of driving, my right leg started cramping -- may need to find a better seating position and use cruise control more frequently.
  • overtime1overtime1 Posts: 134
    I read one good review of the AWD LE in the old thread. I'm waiting to testdrive an AWD model myself...anybody else have a chance? How does it compare to the 2WD?

    OT
  • overtime1overtime1 Posts: 134
    Does anyone have any idea when Nav will be available as an option? The Toyota website says 'Late Availability'. Any ideas as to how 'late'?

    OT
  • jasdmwjasdmw Posts: 118
    Just returned from the dealer, where I had my '01 XLE in for scheduled service. They had 2 on the lot, so I drove one. It was an XLE. My impressions are as follows

    - engine noise is louder than in previous generation
    - no drivers side power door???? For $43600.00 CDN, they should have put that in.
    - rear seat a snap to fold down/up, but the use of tether straps seems a bit odd.
    - lots more room in the driver seat. My knees rest on the center console/door of my '01
    - ride is firmer, seems less body roll in corners but not too stiff for highway cruising
    - didn't want to push engine too much, car was brand new (87KM on the clock) but does seem to be peppy enough
    - radio is way too far away. CD player is on top of dash
    - liked the new gauge cluster - can see the entire speedometer with the wheel tilted max downward and telescoped max out.
    - rear styling too much like Honda (lacks uniqueness), but certainly looks good - rear wiper ala Honda (i.e., plastic), but cannot be pulled out to stand on end when cleaning rear window, as with previois version
    - front styling better than I expected. Looks very Prius like. Lower bumper cladding very vertical
    - no more side cladding, positive but no more 2 tone paint scheme either.
    - 2nd row buckets have seat belts integrated - appear to be in the way of an occupant getting into those seats.
    - if you thought the previous version had heavy bass, wait till you heard this one with the sub-woofer!
    - very nice interior trim execution - little chrome bits here and there (door latch, dash vent controls, etc.) look classy
    - fake wood looks fake, though
    - nice execution of goodies - storage hooks everywhere - center console coin holder/cup holder is a nice touch
    - lack of passenger seat map pocket a bit cheesy
    - only saw 2 missing control caps, you know those things that cover where a button for the option you didn't get would be?
    - still no 1 button down on the passenger window!
    - sun shades on side windows a nice touch.

    Overall, looks like a winner. But it doesn't make me want to trade in my current van. The engine noise and lack of 2nd slider on this trim line are big deals for me.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,049
    seems redundant since the new owners will naturally gravitate to the "main" Toyota Sienna board, not to mention that this stuff is also being covered in the Sienna Owners: Future Models discussion.

    It'd be nice to consolidate now instead of having a bunch of different overlapping boards with parallel discussions going on :-)

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  • zorax2zorax2 Posts: 12
    Steve - I would argue that "if" they are closing the "Future Models - 2004 Sienna" discussion that this is the appropriate place for discussion of 2004 Siennas. The original generic "Siennas" is almost entirely related to the older models. Wouldn't it be more convenient to have everything related to the 2004 model in this discussion?
  • discussion is intuitive. Distinctive model change; nothing in common with previous years' models. Amazing there is confusion as to dedicating a common discussion for 2004 model?!
  • montobahnmontobahn Posts: 11
    Either change the title of the "Future Models -2004 Sienna" thread to something more accurate, or continue here.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,049
    But we wrestle with this issue a lot it seems. We now have a Lexus RX300/330 discussion as well as a Lexus RX330 board for example. Lots of overlap, but that's the way those owners (mostly) like it.

    Most people (at least those new to Town Hall) now seem to find discussions by searching by make and model; i.e., Toyota and Sienna. So they would tend to flash on the Toyota Sienna board and expect to see 2004 stuff as well as older stuff. The older threads will naturally fade away as people talk about the latest buzz.

    To overly generalize, people not used to our conversation style of forum seem to like lots of more specifically focused (if sometimes overlapping) topics. Many of us who cut our teeth on BBS's and Usenet like having more "consolidated" discussions with various threads flying around.

    The problem with smaller, more focused discussions is that they tend to run out of steam and get auto-archived. Take a look at the archives sometimes at all the "small" discussions and you'll see why I personally think this isn't such a great way to keep a discussion active. What happens in 2005 for example? Or how about the great sidebar threads that occur in the "general discussions" that you'd miss if you didn't follow a discussion about Sienna armrest covers - you'd never know you missed it.

    The problem with "consolidated" discussions is keeping track of various threads, but our improved search tools helps a lot there.

    But I'm mostly here to do the housekeeping and occasionally plug our reviews and the rest of the site, not proscribe how y'all should develop the flow of conversation.

    just my .02 - sorry about the dissertation :-)

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,049
    I just "froze" this one:

    Sienna 2004 The Best!?

    It's "your" forum, but the redundant topics do seem to get out of hand, especially with exciting new models.

    /vent :-)

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  • drivenowdrivenow Posts: 45
    Does anyone know if the outside mirrors are power folding on the Limited?
  • jasdmwjasdmw Posts: 118
    We have a thread called "Mazda MPV 2000+". I would think it logical to have one for "Sienna 2004+" as a general catch all for that generation of van. That way anyone looking for info on specific generations knows where to look. We should have a link to the owners club thread for all these threads as well.

    Just my humble opionion.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,049
    And it's consistent with what we've done in MPV and other topics. Consistency is good :-) Let's try it and see if it flies.

    Anyone else bothered by the dash shifter? The one in the new Quest looks like it has problems too.

    Poor placement mars feature-rich minivan (Detroit Free Press)

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  • jasdmwjasdmw Posts: 118
    The van I drove had the center console located between the front seats, so one would be unable to get to the rear through there, anyway. I recall it does sort of stick out in the normal, operating D position and in the P position it does block a few heater controls.

    If, as the author of the report cited above indicates, the van has sooo many kid friendly design features, why is the shifter gated, ala sports cars???

    A few more recollections about the test drive yesterday;

    - the B pillar (between drivers side doors) completely blocked my shoulder check view. Could be because I had the seat as far back as it would go. Makes a strong case for the small convex stick on mirrors.
    - the steering wheel itself is thinner than previoius versions. That may have to do with what the author of the report indicated, that those of slight hands (i.e., mothers) perfer a thinner wheel for grip?
    - the "switch" to manually open the liftgate is behind a flexible covering under the license plate lamp shroud. There is no handle as with the previous generation. Depressing the switch unlocks the liftgate and you can then pull it up. It feels strange at first.
    - the 115V outlet is at the rear of the van, drivers side. A switch for it is on the dash beside the stereo, though. Didn't think to ask the sales guy (who didn't know too much anyway) what was up with that.
    - this version didn't have the entertainment system, but the ceiling mounted drop down screen "holder" is there, only contains a sun glass holder. Might be a good thing, allowing addition of an aftermarket entertainment system.
  • montobahnmontobahn Posts: 11
    Just got the XLE Limited. Great mini van, drive is almost Lexus, and overall, must be best in class. Quite nice, a bit spendy but hopefully will be proved worth the $$$.

    Several electronic controls can be customized (eliminate the chirp when using the remote to lock the doors or having the doors lock automatically when the gear shift is moved from park) etc. The manual says to see dealer to program or change these features. It can't be too tough to do. Does anyone know how to program these various features? (Turns out you need a special computer, Service did it for free).

    Does anyone know if the 3rd row seats (they fold up great by the way) can be unbolted (2 bolts each) and safely removed for long trips to save weight and a bit of room? (I called customer service and they said no harm would be done, but it was not made to do that).

    Minor complaints:

    No memory driver seat available!
    Whats up with that?

    While the sound and entertainment system is outstanding, (better than my buddies 2000 740I BMW) you must move your grip on the steering wheel to change volume, channel and mode. The buttons should be operated by your fingers underneath the wheel instead of by your thumbs on top of the wheel!

    Ceiling lights, if left on by one of the kids will not automatically turn off until the battery is dead. They will turn off in 20 minutes if a door is left open though.

    SO FAR, after owning it for 100 miles, these are the only negatives. I'm picky and this thing still rocks!

    A sheet of 4 x 8 ply should fit.

    According the the manual, the van will run on regular.

    All and all, I'm a happy guy!
  • Congratulations on your new minivan!
    I hope you will enjoy it and please keep us updated with your experience in the future. I bought the Odyssey for now, but you never know; I may buy the Sienna in the future.
    So with the power hatch door, does it open and close by remote or a button on the van? Or does it just open automatically and you have to shut it manually? Have you tested the laser cruise control? What's your impression on the parking assist and the closeness detection sensor that beeps? Is this your first Toyota? If not, how do you compare it to your other Toyotas in regards to noise level?
  • montobahnmontobahn Posts: 11
    Thanks!

    All three power doors open and close with the remote, or with the 3 buttons inside the vehicle, or by tugging a short strap to close the rear hatch from the outside.

    I have tested the laser cruise, very high-tech. As I approached a slow vehicle in front of me, it automatically let up on the gas and then applied the brakes.

    The parking assist is neat, but I have not thoroughly tested it yet. I have a feeling that once I become familiar with the vehicle, I won't need it. My wife may.

    I have had a 1990 Camery, and still have my 92 Lexus LS 400. What can I say, they are all fine products.

    I am very sensitive to noise. I would have to say the noise level is low and comfort level of this vehicle is very high, that's why bought it. My ears tell me that this is the quietest minivan. It will be interesting to see what the actual noise levels are.
  • leknlekn Posts: 78
    I am not bothered by the shifter position at all. On the contrary, I much prefer this position as opposed to steering wheel column shifter. The gated design could go, but one can get used to it.

    But the review was a poor one. Don't know why they are making such a big fuss over the shifter.

    "The protruding shifter repeatedly caught knees and ankles, threatening to either trip the driver or downshift from fifth to fourth gear at highway speeds."

    Knees, maybe - but ANKLES???
    And get this - downshift from fifth to fourth???
    Are they saying that the van was on autopilot and the driver was trying to move away from the driver's seat??? While the car is at highway speed??? This is ridiculous!

    '"I know we're not supposed to walk around when the van is moving, but we do," said the mother of a 2-year-old. "They should know that."'

    Absolutely not in my van. No one is allowed to unbelt. If anything comes up, I'd take a break, stop the van and do whatever one needs to do. That mother of two should know better - and don't expect the car manufacturer to accomodate her dangerous practice. In fact, they should make it as difficult as possible to discourage it.

    And I still don't get this, how could the shifter be in the way and how could the driver move away when the van is at highway speed?
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 14,731
    I seem to recall there being a ton of legroom in the third row when I test sat last week. Maybe it was becasue I had slid the middle seat up, but there was plenty of room up there also.

    "nonexistent" leg room in the rear seems to be a bit of a stretch.

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's) and 2007 Volvo S40 (mine)

  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,738
    A negative review with ridiculous comments about ankles hitting the shifter and no room in the back seat, in the Detroit Free Press... a review of a Toyota minivan that trumps all minivans from U.S. automakers... does that seem too much of a coincidence to anyone else?
  • hbush2hbush2 Posts: 3
    LEKN: Thanks for your comments. I couldn't agree with you more. I would like to add that I think the reason the shifter is gated is to avoid just what the "auto piloting mother" is concerned about - accidently knocking the shifter out of gear. When I drove the Sienna, I found the shifter to be in no way obtrusive or unsafe. In fact, I found that the driver had to make a conscious effort to shift gears with the gated design. I would argue that this design is safer than the steering wheel mounted shifter found in most vans today.
  • I have not driven the new Sienna yet, but I love the similar shifter that's on my Lexus LS400. I think it looks great, feels great, and a lot easier to use than any other kind of shifter.
  • rambhamrambham Posts: 10
    I talked to a Costco deal in San Jose, CA this
    week and he said that the XLE Limited with NAV
    would be available in about 10-12 weeks. He also quoted a price to me of $40,130 for an XLE Limited
    with the GT package. This price is $2700
    over invoice. (I may be missing some other info).
    He also wanted a $500 deposit to place the order.

    He also said that Northern California was not
    currently receiving any XLE Limiteds, but they
    were available in Southern California. I believe
    he said that an XLE (not Limited) with NAV would
    be available in 6-8 weeks.
  • rambhamrambham Posts: 10
    We are thinking about the XLE Limited but my
    wife hates auto dimming mirrors. Is it possible
    to disable this feature?
  • overtime1overtime1 Posts: 134
    I was wondering why nav was an option yet. 10-12 weeks is not too long to wait I guess.

    OT
  • danhirschdanhirsch Posts: 20
    Is a little hard to get used to. I drove the van the first day we got the van (last Saturday, the 14th) - otherwise, my wife has been driving it and she says that she is totally used to the new shifter and that it is easy to use and get used to.
  • stchenstchen Posts: 1
    I have made up my mind to put down my $500 deposit ordering the 2004 Sienna XLE. But, according to what I have heard. All the upcoming XLE will be with packages. Has any one ordered the XLE already? And, what's the package you got? (or you couldn't get rid off??)
  • s1ginss1gins Posts: 46
    Is the vehicle an AWD? It sounds pricey.
  • rambhamrambham Posts: 10
    The price info I posted was for a FWD XLE Limited
    with the Navigation package.
  • hexnhexn Posts: 16
    I too ordered a XLE with package 12. The price is approximately $2,555 off MSRP. I'm in SF bay area.

    There's something interesting I want to share with you guys. The invoice number on Edmunds is 25150. I had a chance to see the actual cost break down printed out from the dealer. The real base cost of the XLE base is 24,303, there's a $565 dealer hold back and $282 wholesale reserve(god knows what that is). If you add those numbers together, you got exactly $25,150!

    I remember reading from Edmunds board before that manufacture does allow charging the hold back to consumers.

    Oh well, I didn't get the best deal there is, I guess if I press harder, I can get a couple of hunderd dollars more off, but it's a deal I can live with.

    I'll post again when they ACTUALLY DELIVERS. you never know.....
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