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-juice
You must then think the Chrysler Crossfire is lame. The Crossfire is, for all intents and purposes, a rebadged Mercedes SLK with a fixed roof. I don't think Chrysler could ever have, nor do they attempt to take credit for, engineering this car. A Chrysler dealer told me that "the Crossfire is built in Germany by Mercedes-Benz".
I can understand, I guess, that some in the Saab sect are not happy with the 9-2x. Personally, I wouldn't call ANY car that can run 0-60 in 5.6 seconds "lame".
There are many other people who do not find the Impreza or WRX lame. I think the 9-2x has made a good car great!
Did anyone see that Alpha Romeo concept car in the new Auto Show diary? Wow...gimme that silohuette and it can go 0-60 in ten seconds and I will still be fine.
I guess I like lame cars...pity me.
How much of a premium does the Saab touch merit?
They go too far and it will be a big mistake.
$22k for the Impreza Wagon (non-WRX), even with nice leather, is a bit steep as a starting point...
My guess is MSRP will be a lot higher but they'll focus on subsidized lease deals.
-juice
In contrast, you won't mistake a Crossfire for an SLK. Not even close. All body panels are different and I believe the interior is vastly different as well (that might be a good thing or a bad thing, depending upon your taste ;-), but at least they are different...).
Easy changes. I think Saab will differentiate the next one more.
-juice
Pretty nice. I can see these selling side by side, but not the 9-7.
-juice
It'll be interesting to see what the CPO program does for 9-2x resale values. Will they hold their value better than WRXs?
-juice
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Rumor has it the WRX is getting similar interior upgrades, so there isn't much to distinguish the two.
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what the heck is this? Does anyone happen to know if the 92 making its rounds at the auto show (the one with the 2-tone grey and black seats) is this sport stuff or is it a leather upgrade?
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But, yeah, I'm sure the one at the auto show was loaded up. Although... I didn't see Nav. I don't recall a moonroof either.
Anyway, I'm anxious to get in this thing. I was very disappointed that we couldn't do so at the show. Out of all the cars I finally got to check out, this is the only one that still holds my interest. Well... and maybe the Dodge Magnum. That was up on a pedestal, so I couldn't even see inside it.
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Arctic Silver, Midnight Black, Brilliant Red, Satin Gray, Desert Silver, Deep Blue.
Interior:
Cloth standard on both Linear and Aero. Black with parchment inserts.
Options:
Cold Weather Package: Front Heated Seats & Outer Mirrors and Wiper De-Icer
Sports Package (Aero only) 17" Alloy Wheels & Power Sunroof
Linear Premium Package: Leather Seats, door inserts, great knob, handbrake boot and steering wheel. 6-Disc CD Changer, Audio System upgrade, front fog lamps & Xenon head lamps.
Aero Premium Package: Leather Seats and door inserts & Xenon head lamps.
Sunroof is stand-alone in Linear and needs to be ordered with Sport Package on Aero.
2 Years/24,000 miles No-Charge Scheduled Maintenance is included with all cars along with a 4 year 50,000 mile warranty.
I like this part:
Linear Premium Package: Leather Seats, door inserts, great knob, handbrake boot and steering wheel.
LOL. "Hey, that's a great knob!"
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Here two pieces:
2 yr/24k mile service
added year, 14k miles of warranty.
How much do we want to value those added extras?
Suddenly, a Ford Mustang GT (2005) is looking better. Or more so, wait to see if Pontiac gets the Solstice right.
Power Moonroof $1200
Cold weather pkg (heated frt seats,heated outside mirrors
and wiper de-icer) $600
Linear premium pkg (Leather appointed seats,door inserts, handbrake boot and steering wheel, audio upgrade with indash 6disc changer and 6 speakers, xenon headlights and frt fog lights) -$2495
Aero Premium pkg (leather appointed seats and door inserts,
xenon headlights) $1695
Aero Sport package (17" alloy wheels, high performance tires and moonroof) $1950
All wheel drive
Aggresive Saab Styling
Sport bolstered seats
Power mirrors
Power, remote locks
Security system
Folding rear split seats
Active Saab head restraints for frt seats
head/thorax frt side airbags
Dual frt airbags
3 point seatbelts at all seating positions
16" alloy wheels, all season tires
no charge scheduled maintenance 24 month/24k miles
tinted glass
power windows with drivers side express down
integrated color matched body kit
rear roof spoiler
ABS with EBD
Fully independant suspension
metallic decor trim
height adjustable drivers seat
9.2X Aero adds the following:
Premium sound system with 6 disc cd changer with 6 speakers
Frt fog lights
ACC
Leather steering wheel, handbrake boot and gear lever
Sport tuned Chassis
Bright finished exhaust tip
Alumminum sport pedals (man trans)
cabin air filter
credit Brewman013 for this info. Thanks.
And where the heck did the Mustang comparison come from? Hmmmm... let's see .... American muscle 2-door coupe or Japanese/Swedish sportwagon. Uhhh...
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This isn't to say its not right or the info isn't appreciated, but personal past experiences have led me to not believe salesmen when it comes to pre-release info. This could be spot on, but I prefer not to bank on it. But, again, thank you.
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I would have done it better for $20. I would have called it "cloth upholstery."
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http://www.9-2x.saabusa.com/92x_pricing.pdf
I am considering letting go of my Elantra, since my life path has changed and I am working a better job rather than heading back to school for a masters...
As it is. I have been looking at a variety of new vehicles coming in the next 0-24 months, everything from the proposed BMW 1-series, the Audi A3, the new Golf, the Mustang, the Saab 9-2X, the Pontiac Solstice, or maybe just buy a nice diesel powered Passat and let go of the small sporty drivers altogether.
Point I was making is thus:
While I like the Subie WRX/Impreza. It had some shortcomings in the style and substance arenas. Saab's involvement was of a great deal of interest, since I have always liked Saab cars inside and out.
That said, I think the Mustang GT will be a bigger bang for the buck than the 9-2X Aero. Completely different cars? Sure are...but the argument could be made that with Ford you get more definitive styling and plenty of performance. With the Saab, you get a bit of a sleeper...more utility, AWD, and plenty of zoot in the Aero package...but $23k for a 165-hp car that at $19k was called "over-priced and under-powered?"
I ain't pulling any triggers just yet...but I would like to see the discussion/argument about where that extra cost turns into any real value for the consumer...what do I get? Maybe a better driving vehicle with a better warranty and slicker interior...I can live with that.
But I still think a Mercedes C230 Sport Coupe has more to offer with a small decrease in storage utility than an Impreza TS Wagon with a Saab face and a sticker pushing $23k.
YMMV
I, for one, think the C230 is too slow and expensive. But, then again, I would never buy the base impreza or base saab. The thing is, the base C230 is already priced above a WRX and will be more akin to the Saab Aero, and both will blow the doors off the baby Benz.
I suppose I should withhold my Mustang bashing since you are referring to the new one that we have yet had the oppurtunity to get inside of or drive. Maybe it will be a whole new experience. Although, with a solid rear axle, I'm doubting it.
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However.... OUCH! No Nav?? $30K for Aero with Premium and Cold Weather? I was kind of anticipating $29K for all of that AND sunroof. So its over $31K with the slider. That's a bit much for a rebadged vehicle IMHO. I really would just fork over the extra $2K for an acura TL. Yeah, like I just said, they aren't in the same class and aren't comparable, but it is where my money would go when face with the choice.
Well, maybe after some deep discounts set in.
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-juice
Just putting it out there. I might just keep the Elantra...it is a nice enough car for its shortcomings (power being the main one)...
I just think that all cars in the same price range are relevant...whether we are cross-shopping a base 9-2X and a Honda Accord, a Mini Cooper S, or a Miata. Most people only get to pick one car at a time. I know that is my choice. So I do have to decide how to order my list of needs and wants to get at the best car to fit my mix. Style and performance matter, but when you are hitting the mid-20s with a fancy 165hp Impreza...other cars start to cloud that marker quite a bit. The near $30k for an Aero knocks it out, for me. If I could go $30k, I could give up 20% performance for 20% style and would just get the 9-3 or a Volvo S40 or base 3-series.
Heck, even a truck or SUV might be in the mix for the typical shopper. You hit those prices and the list of competition soars, you stick around $20k and the list is much shorter.
I asked, but no one seems to want to do the work...that's fine. Take your shots if you feel the need to pump your fists on your chests and verify your manhood. I just don't see the premium transferring to a value for the jump up. Never did with the Infinit I series either, which is probably why they didn't sell.
Now, if you could get the 9-2x within 1k of the Impreza...the value equation would be a slam dunk, people would be foolish not to consider the Saab offering. At $4k, it is hard to fathom.
Recall, if you will, that the WRX STi will price close to the Saab Aero and ask yourself if giving up 80 hp and a much more aggressive, true-sports sedan is worth better warranty service and the Saab key fob.
I asked, but no one seems to want to do the work...that's fine.
I, for one, wasn't sure what the answer should be. If I ever get the chance to actually get in the car rather than staring at it from behind a barrier, I'll be sure to let you know.
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I think the best thing to do is to wait for Saab to give out the incentive as they did for other Saab cars. Hopefully $2000-$3000 to close the gap of the 9-2X and the Impreza.
It is a loaded WRX wagon, for crying out loud, not a BMW.
The WRX wagon typically sells for between $22K and $23K. I would put a value of about $2000 for a sunroof, leather seating, and automatic climate control. If you want HID lights or the 17" wheels you should add another $500 for each of those. That means a loaded Saab 9-2X should go for probably around $26K. If you want you can add another $1000 for the general upgraded interior and cachet of driving a Saab (2 years of free oil changes!) instead of a Subaru.
I would say $27K max for a loaded Saab 9-2X would be reasonable.