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BMW 1-Series

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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Thank you.

    Yes. The run flats! Seems like BMW is making a lot of questionable decisions lately-none of them in favor of driving enthusiasts.

    I won't mind moving over to Porsche when they come out with that small, sporty hatchback. I have driven its cheaper "cousin", the VW Rabbit, which I found to be a lot of fun to drive with an incredible amount of interior space. I can't even begin to imagine what Porsche will do with a hatch.

    More in line with the topic-why would anybody shell out for a 135i, when for a few thousand more, drive a better-looking coupe which doesn't have the stigma of being BMW's "entry-level" model? BMWNA will even give you back $500 for buying/leasing the 335i through BMWCCA membership, but not for the 135i. Puzzling.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,311
    "Either the electronic "dipstick" they use is fiercely and deadly accurate, or they must be prepared to pick up the cost under warranty. . ."

    Well, there are people with a bridge that they'd love you to buy. Two things:

    1) The oil level sensor was, in fact, quite unreliable after its initial introduction. If you're me, you're wondering why on God's earth anyone thought it was a good idea to take a $5 dipstick and replace it with something that cost an order of magnitude more & didn't work.

    2) Anytime you think you'll come out ahead trying to recover major engine damage under a warranty (as opposed to being able to just check the fricking oil), you're living in a different world than mine. Then there's the "factory bubble" that I hate to ever break. Letting ham-handed dealership "mechanics" tear into a vehicle on the off chance that they'll get everything back in right is not where I want to go.

    I have voted on these issues with my money. I spent most of four years thinking that my next vehicle would be a BMW. It was not.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,988
    I won't mind moving over to Porsche when they come out with that small, sporty hatchback. I have driven its cheaper "cousin", the VW Rabbit, which I found to be a lot of fun to drive with an incredible amount of interior space. I can't even begin to imagine what Porsche will do with a hatch.

    What kind of small sporty hatchback is Porsche coming out with? Built off the FWD Rabbit platform?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "why would anybody shell out for a 135i, when for a few thousand more, drive a better-looking coupe which doesn't have the stigma of being BMW's "entry-level" model?"

    Ummm, because you get more performance for less money? :confuse:

    Seems like a winning combination to me...
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Hey, I'm not necessarily saying I agree with what they are doing. Just being the Devil's Advocate.

    Has it been proven that the oil level sensor is unreliable? If so, how was it shown to be unreliable? You know BMW is not the only manufacturer to use an oil level sensor. Lexus and Land Rover I believe also use one, to name 2. (Now, they might also include a dipstick for free!)

    Just another thought, regarding why take away a $5 dipstick: Perhaps too many owners don't bother using it? I think society is a whole is moving towards everything being automated and maintenance-free.

    Again, I'm just trying to present another side to the argument. Don't beat me up!
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    ...but also less utility, luxury. I guess only time will tell if BMW, with the 1-series and the X6 in particular, tried to answer a question no one asked.

    (Now, I do think the 1-series cabriolet makes sense, since not everyone wants a power retractable hardtop)
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    The 2012 Porsche hatchback will be based on the European Golf (American Rabbit). If you Google "Porsche hatchback", there is information to be had: a 295 hp boxer engine lifted from the Boxster, though front mounted, with AWD, using VW parts. I would guess $40k-$45k for this little baby.

    I'll be waiting.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Not much less money. The 135i is a bit too expensive, IMO, and one gets the "entry level" stigma along with it. I'm not knocking the 135's drive, but there should have been a bit more differentiation between the segments.

    Terrific for 3 Series buyers. Not only do they get a great vehicle, but it is no longer "entry level" BMW.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,311
    "Has it been proven that the oil level sensor is unreliable?"

    Well, that depends on what the meaning of "proven" is. What I do know is that after the oil level sensor was introduced, the 3-series boards were full of reports of failed sensors and/or questions as to how to determine how much oil there was in the crankcase if the sensor had failed. To add to the joy, since it was a relatively new idea/part, spares weren't readily available. It may have failed, but at least you couldn't get a replacement.

    Oh, and the answer to the question is: Drain the oil and measure it. Pour it back in. Repeat.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "Not much less money."

    It's $6,000 less. That's a significant amount of money in my book.

    "The 135i is a bit too expensive"

    Name any other 300 HP luxury sport coupe/sedan that costs less.

    "and one gets the "entry level" stigma"

    If someone wants to spend an extra $6,000 just because they can't stand having a "1" on the trunk, then they simply don't deserve (and wouldn't appreciate) a "1." Personally, I've never perceived a "stigma" with any BMW. I don't see the 1, 3, 5, or 7 as "climbing up" some imaginary status ladder - and I feel sorry for anyone who cares so much about trying to impress their neighbors.

    To me (and many enthusiasts here), the top of the BMW rung is the car with the most aggressive/most fun-to-drive combination of small size, light weight, and horsepower/torque. Right now, IMO, BMW only sells two "sports cars" - the Z4 M Coupe and M3 (debatable). The 135i falls one notch below these two, but also is a lot more accessible.

    Considering that you can get BMW performance, driving dynamics, and luxury for the price of a Subaru WRX STI or Mitsubishi Evo, I'd say it's a lot of car for the money.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    If you are going to shell out big bucks for an over-priced small coupe, why not shell out $6000 more and get the ultimate, perfectly-proportioned, better-looking vehicle, which performs as close to the legendary M3 as many of us will ever get. Considering that the price differential between the M3 and 335i coupes is $17.000-$18,000, the 335i coupe becomes the screaming relative bargain, not the 135i. One can always borrow the $6000. Heck, instead of wasting time posting here, one could be out there picking up refundable cans and bottles for a year-the goal: to come up with the $6000 to close the deal on the amazing 335i coupe.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,671
    which performs as close to the legendary M3 as many of us will ever get.

    Actually, the 135 is even closer, so if that is your goal .... ??

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    No thanks.

    Whoops! 12:06 PM. Time to go out and pick up some cans and bottles. :)
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "...you can get BMW performance, driving dynamics, and luxury for the price of a Subaru WRX STI or Mitsubishi Evo..."

    Well, you would need to take "luxury" out of the equation. A base 135 is pretty spartan. And if you start to click off a couple of options the price creeps even closer to the 335.
  • davidd3davidd3 Posts: 582
    After researching the 1, test driving the 1, getting all excited about the 1, convincing myself that I could actually get my kids in the back if I had to, etc., I finally dragged my wife to a dealer to see it and she nixed it immeidately on looks alone. Said it looks like a scrunched up 3 and she couldn't believe I actually wanted to get one. So now it's been nixed, since this would be a shared car (her for commuting, me for weekends). She did like the 3 coupe though. So much for saving money . . .
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    The 1 Series Coupe does indeed look like a "scrunched up 3". I don't blame her for preferring the 3 Coupe. Her taste is obviously exquisite.

    You should be grateful the wife put some much needed sanity back in your life! ;)
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Glad you liked it! ;)
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    I see you've escaped from the Luxury Lounge. I'm sure the nuns are fixen to set the hounds after you.

    If looks are that important, isn't the A5/S5 better looking than them all?

    All that to say, I love the 1 series. We sell everyone that we can get.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    So you're a BMW salesman? Boy, what an arrogant attitude! Unbelieveable!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Hey! Good to hear from you my friend!

    I feel a lot of passion went out of the LL with the seemingly permanent sabbaticals of some terrific former members.

    Meanwhile, BMWFS has phoned me twice over the last 10 days, attempting to get me to buy my leased 2005 545i which I'm returning at the end of July. The residual is $34,300. First offer 10 days ago: $4000 off. Second offer today: $5600 off. If they get down to $25,000 as the purchase price, I'll be listening....

    Some horror story eh? All those V8, 20 mpg 545i's coming off lease with nobody to buy them. They will take a killing at Manheim.

    You know, getting back to the thread's topic, if I suddenly found a red or black 135i coupe sitting in my driveway, I would keep it without any protest. I just think the 335i coupe is a better vehicle. I don't hate the BMW 1 Series coupes; I just don't comprehend the reason for building them when you already have the 3 Series coupes which I still maintain look better, are more roomy and perform just as well as the 1's.

    Anyone here who has a 1 Series: Enjoy it! :)

    And yes, I agree. The A5/S5 are very handsome coupes with absolutely gorgeous interiors. As usual Audi beats BMW in the looks department. It's just that the A5/S5 will lose in sheer driving pleasure to BMW every time. It's why we put up with the "same old" boring BMW interiors. BMW has us hooked.

    Regards,

    Hpowders
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "A base 135 is pretty spartan."

    Spartan is a relative term. It comes with pretty much everything the 335i does.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Yeah, I suppose...but I just find the 3's interior more upscale-looking.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "If you are going to shell out big bucks for an over-priced small coupe, why not shell out $6000 more and get the ultimate, perfectly-proportioned, better-looking vehicle"

    Hey, I agree the 335i Coupe is prettier than the 135i. Obviously, the better looks and roomier cabin are worth an extra $6000 to you. That's cool. And if you don't mind the performance hit you suffer from the added size and weight, then OK. I guess our priorities in a sporty coupe are different.

    "...performs as close to the legendary M3 as many of us will ever get. Considering that the price differential between the M3 and 335i coupes is $17.000-$18,000, the 335i coupe becomes the screaming relative bargain, not the 135i."

    You lost me here. The 135i outperforms the 335i and costs less, so how can the 335i be the "screaming relative bargain?"

    But really, who are we kidding? Calling the 335i (or 135i) a "bargain" compared to the M3 is like calling a Yamaha upright piano a bargain compared to a Steinway Concert Grand.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Well, it is roomier. But otherwise, I can't really tell the difference between the two.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    The difference in performance between the 135i and 335i coupe is so close, there was no justification for BMW to create the former vehicle. And speaking of mass, the 135i is pretty darn hefty for its size.

    BMW could have really made a statement here by creating a lighter vehicle like the 2002 used to be, devoid of the heavy technological doodads that most of us surely don't need; a car designed for purists, with a stick, basic radio, manually adjusted cloth seats, with a great BMW engine, suspension and brakes say for $30,000 plus tax, out the door. They would have earned my respect.
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    sure how that's arrogant but anyway.

    HP, I gotta go with Fedlawman on this, in a cash, or finance purchase, the 1 series is a hit IMO. 200 pounds is 200 pounds. Room is irrelevant when discussing performance isn't it?

    At any rate, I'm still jealous of your 545. It's such a sleeper.

    As far as stuff we don't need, I agree. But a lot of that stuff is government mandated. Airbags, tire pressure monitoring, you can't build a car without those things nowadays.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I'm not sure there is any real-life "performance hit" to speak off.

    I'm assuming by "relative bargain", he was referring to more than just performance specs on paper.

    I can't quite equate the Yamaha to Steinway analogy, but that's neither here nor there.

    Let me put it this way, if I can only buy and keep one car for the rest of my life, I would feel quite comfortable in picking the 335i. Not sure I can say the same about the 135i. Well, ok, I know I can't say that about the 135i.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Oh sure. The 1 Series is a big hit. I never stated that it wasn't selling well. The 335i is already more fun than the state troopers will allow me. Slightly better performance of a 135i (if you say so. I'm not convinced) doesn't do anything for me. As it is, I have to keep the 545i on a muzzle leash. It will not go under 80 mph on the highway. I have tried, but the default setting seems to be 80. I am obviously driving the 545i in the wrong country. :(

    I'm planning on giving back the 545i late next month. I know BMWFS will never offer me a $25k buyout price, but if they go down to $28k(they are currently at $29,307 from an original buyout price of $34,300), I may decide to buy it. The vehicle has behaved flawlessly for 3 years and has less than 26k miles on it.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I do agree that BMW missed an opportunity to make the 135i something really special. It's no 2002.
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