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BMW 1-Series

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  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Venture,
    I have a fairly loaded 135i Coupe, but I am trading it in for the 135i convertible which I've had on order for months. It is ready in a few more days and I am excited as hell.

    It is imperative that you order the Sport Package in order to get the Sport seats. I and others have made that error, and regreted it. Fortunately, I am able to get the Sports seats when I re-ordered the car as a convertible. If you have any doubts about this, you should ask me about it.

    BTW, Mr. Hpowder's posts are some of his most ridiculous posts he has made in a long time. He obviously does not like the 1-Series so he picks and chooses the few unusual sources of information to support his dislike.

    In actual fact, while Edmunds does not have an abundance of 1-Series owners yet, it is pretty obvious that the car has just been released for sale only a few months ago.

    There is a dedicated website to the 1-Series that has a monstrous membership roster. So any idea that I am a lone owner is incorrect and pointless. I agree that there aren't many 1-Series owners yet on this website, but that will change.

    Also, hpowder's reference to a couple of negative reviews does not in any way diminish the multitude of positive and complimentary reviews. Few cars have EVER been so praised as the 1-Series.

    The 3-Series is a great car. But it is not the BMW entry vehicle any more. So there is obvious sibling rivalry and jealousy. It makes no difference... the 1-Series outperforms the 3-Series. All the talk in the world can't change that.

    BTW, I will likely buy my wife a 335i convertible to go alongside my 135i convertible. The 1-Series is more of a man's car and the 335i hardtop convertible will be perfect for her, as the 3-Series is perfect for a female, with it's graceful and softer lines. Since the 3er is about to get a refresh, we will wait for the '09 model.

    TM
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,870
    Well let's just say that I enjoyed the review.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Glad you liked it.

    Edmunds is filled with enthusiasts. So where are all the 1 Series owners?

    Folks have been voting on the 1 Series with their pocketbooks.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Folks have been voting on the 1 Series with their pocketbooks.

    Yes, correct... and so far, the 1-Series is essentially sold out, with a few stragglers in inventories. Try to get a "deal" on one. Yet, the 3 and the 5 are plentiful and sitting in inventories and the dealers will make you a "deal" to get rid of them. Even BMWFS will put together one of their special leases deals on a 3 or a 5 series, but not on a 1er.

    And, all this just after only several months of the 1-Series release!!

    More positive reviews have been written on the 1-Series than almost any other car in history, yet you decide to dig up the small few negative ones and point them out. That's way out of whack, and you know it.

    As an owner, or previous owner, of a Porsche (I'm on my third), Ferrari, MCS, Lotus Sport Elise Ltd. track car edition, and others, as well as this 135i, I can tell you that I am more of an enthusiast than someone that would drive some tragically boring Toyota/Lexus SUV, for example, and I wouldn't even consider the 135i unless it was a performance machine. And THAT it is!!

    The 135i beats the previous M3s, and nearly every car that BMW manufacturers to date. It takes the new generation V8 M3 to barely beat it. And, all this from the "entry" BMW? WOW!

    The world's largest 1-Series website has a monstrous membership roster and more information about the 1-series than you could EVER begin to absorb. I have been an active member all year, and soon I will have contributed close to a thousand posts, and read many many thousands of others posts, some of which are made by incredibly knowledgable enthusiasts that race their cars regularly.

    We don't all agree on everything, but we all know and understand the fact that the 1-Series is a BMW enthusiast's dream come true!

    I'm kind of surprised at your perspective here. You used to look like you really knew your stuff, but lately... well...let's just say that you are sounding like a guy that would actually buy a Lexus LX570 SUV... LOL.

    Say what you will, but I will continue to enjoy my 135i high-performance BMW, and soon it is very possible that my wife will enjoy her 3-Series hardtop convertible, even if it is a bit slower than the 1er... heh! heh! Oh, and I'm sure it will be easier to get a deal on that 3-Series, too!... afterall, the public has spoken with their wallets (and your "pocketbook"), and left plenty of 3-Series out there in inventory.

    Oh... did I mention that 2/3rds of all 1-Series sales are already pre-sold!! Another testimonial from the "pocketbooks". :shades:

    TM
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,357
    I will say the graphics were very impressive and I think it would be a great way to learn a track you've never actually driven.

    You Tube can also help; I'm currently trying to re-learn the Glen, as I haven't been there since 1988 :surprise:
    As far as simulators go, a tanker friend of mine is going to get me some seat time in an M1 Abrams driving simulator. THAT should be interresting...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    BMW missed an opportunity to create a truly unique vehicle for those of us who remember....vaguely....what this company once proudly stood for and produced.
    The 135i Coupe is NOT that vehicle.

    With BMW's latest focus on technology for technology's sake such as the iDrive controller, 2 step-vehicle starting, steptronic transmissions that must be "relearned", gimmicky turn signals, etc; in addition to their focus on impractical SUV's that are at the bottom of their class in practical cargo room and God knows what they were thinking with the release of the X6; in addition to their release of a "smaller" sporty coupe that was rumored to be a reincarnation of the much loved and missed "2002", which more realistically turned out to be a slightly smaller version of the 3 Series Coupes; you will begin to understand my frustration with a company I can no longer support with unbridled enthusiasm.

    Do they serve Kona coffee at Lexus? :surprise:
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,244
    ". . .a tanker friend of mine is going to get me some seat time in an M1 Abrams driving simulator."

    Enjoy! I had the opportunity to ride around on one at YPG (Yuma Proving Grounds) a few years ago. We build the engine (1500 hp turbine).
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "The 3-Series is a great car. But it is not the BMW entry vehicle any more."

    Is that not a good thing? Rightly or wrongly, there is a certain stigma attached to an "entry-level" vehicle.

    "The 1-Series is more of a man's car..."

    It's funny you should say that. I took my wife to look at the 1 series on the weekend. She said it looks cute and funky, and she added she can see a lot of grads getting one for a grad present, and she can see a lot of girls in particular going for it. In fact, she proclaimed that when the lease on her Mini ends, the 1 series would be on her short list.
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I do agree that here could have been an entirely different and incredible small car, but BMW worked off of the existing 1series hatchback and made the coupe for our market... So did they compromise? YES, they did. But did they create a winner? A resounding YES, they did!

    TM
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    The world's largest 1-series website has taken polls. The overwhelming purchaser of the 1er is male. The 3er so far has a higher percentage of female drivers than the 1er.

    None of it really matters... I was just poking at hpowders a little. ;)

    TM
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    And the 5 Series is probably the most male of the BMW breed.

    I wanted to personalize the 545i's license plate with "do you feel lucky, punk?" but it just doesn't fit. One more month to go.
  • ventureventure Central PAPosts: 446
    It is imperative that you order the Sport Package in order to get the Sport seats. I and others have made that error, and regreted it. Fortunately, I am able to get the Sports seats when I re-ordered the car as a convertible. If you have any doubts about this, you should ask me about it.

    Educate me. What makes the sport seats so desirable? I have to say that the standard seats look like they hug you pretty well.

    My E46 has standard seats and I do find myself sliding a little when I wish I was being snuggled more, but the 135's seats do not compare to the E46 seats.

    2014 Fusion, 2013 Impreza, 2011 Forester

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    It'd be interesting to find out the average age of the male purchaser of the 1er. High school & college grads?

    The stats on th e3er is probably skewed because of the large number of 323 and 328xi wagons which no doubt have a large fan base made up of secretaries, young housewives, and upwardly mobile young real estate saleswomen and young female lawyers. ;)

    It may be more interesting to look at the gender split for the 335 & 328 sedan and coupes only.

    But I agree, that's neither here nor there. :shades:
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,363
    The sport seats have to be among the best in the industry because I have never had more perfect fit and comfort. Easy to adjust a multitude of settings based on your needs of the moment and always just right. I've had my back ache going in and after 100 miles, cured! Unbelievable!

    The G35 sport seats are very good also but still a tad less perfect.

    You need to try them yourself to see.

    Regards,
    OW
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I thought the exact same thing as you, and I didn't get them in my Coupe. I was warned and didn't believe the warning... until I took some hard corners... then I was sorry. The standard seats are incredibly comfy at first and that's where I got fooled. The standard seat bottom is nearly flat, and the side bolsters are decent, but not adequate and offer reduced lateral stability. The nearly-flat bottom is more deficient than I thought relevant.

    The Sport seat will get you the necessary lateral stability, on the seat's bottom, and on the sides, where there is a width-adjustable bolster system. Also the thigh support is adjustable, although that isn't nearly as important as the lateral support and stability that is there when you need it during spirited driving.

    Please trust me. I have read countless testimonials on this, and mine is just another one to add to the pile.

    Fortunately, my convertible will have the Sport seats, and I will be enjoying some of the best support possible... not just good from a comfort perspective... but incredible from a performance perspective! That's where the real difference lies, and it's worth the nominal charge which also gets you the M steering wheel and the M shift knob as a small bonus... but it's really about the seats!

    Hope that helps!

    TM
  • ventureventure Central PAPosts: 446
    Hope that helps!

    Yeah. That helps a lot.

    It looks like it will be sport package, heated seats, and I might as well throw in comfort access.

    Thanks

    2014 Fusion, 2013 Impreza, 2011 Forester

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,357
    I attended the BMW CCA Bluegrass Chapter's HPDE last weekend. One of the instructors was running a Sparkling Graphite 135i fitted with coilovers and black O.Z. Ultraleggera wheels. He and I were about the only drivers who weren't driving flat out in the instructor sessions, but it was clear that the 135i did have a bit more poke than my Mazdaspeed3- especially in the 90-110 mph range. In the corners I'd also give the 135i a slight edge, although it wasn't as much as I expected. It's the first 135i I've seen that I really liked- both in appearance AND performance. I still think I'm going to wait and see if a tii edition will sees the light of day. And if I find an E46 M3 with the Competition Package and no sunroof it will be Game Over... :D

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    Hard to say that you wouldn't have driven the 135i even better than the other guy did!... LOL. Regardless, it's an amazingly capable car. From what I understand, the SGM color is not going to return for '09, due to some strange environmental hazards surrounding its production.

    And, yes, It would be hard to turn down an E46 M3 if it was in good condition.

    I recently thought of acquiring one... but I have my sights on a Lotus Elise SC.

    TM
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,357
    I recently thought of acquiring one... but I have my sights on a Lotus Elise SC

    One of the instructors brought an Exige to the school. It was a rocket. I'd buy one yesterday if I didn't need at least four seats.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    'I'd buy one yesterday if I didn't need at least four seats."

    Easy solution.....buy 2! :P
  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    One of the instructors brought an Exige to the school. It was a rocket.

    Did you get to drive it?

    TM
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,357
    Did you get to drive it?

    No, I didn't know the owner. :(

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I've been on the track with an Elise or two before. They come out of nowhere and blow by like you are standing still. Very fast cars.

    I've never driven one either and I don't think I should - I know once I try one I'll have to own one.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    They may be fast, but they're ugly ---- looks like a kit car.
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,870
    I am glad someone else noticed that. They do look like a kit car. An ugly kit car. But very light and fast.

    2013 LX 570 2010 LS 460 2002 Tacoma 4x4

  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,595
    IMO the Elise is good-looking enough, although I wouldn't call it beautiful. If it looks like a kit car, that's because it's so minimalist.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • tagmantagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441
    I am pretty sure that the Exige looks like the kit car more than the Elise, due to the bolted on exterior trim pieces.

    The headlights are the weak spot in the design appearance, but otherwise I think it looks exotic, and certainly the performance is stellar. When I had one for a short while, it turned more heads than you can imagine... and got tons of positive reactions.

    TM
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "... it turned more heads than you can imagine... and got tons of positive reactions."

    When it comes to cars, people tend to always react positively to anything foreign, sporty, and rare, regardless of whether it is a visual work of art.
  • mr42hhmr42hh Posts: 9
    Edmunds is filled with enthusiasts. So where are all the 1 Series owners?

    Here! I got mine last week and I love it. 118d 3-door, jet black, with sports seats, orange cloth/leather interior, premium hi-fi, USB-Audio interface, xenon headlights, 17" V-spoke wheels, heated seats and some more goodies.
    interior pic:
    http://www.spymac.com/details/?2373444
    http://www.spymac.com/details/?2373445

    The car in BMW Welt:
    http://www.spymac.com/details/?2373438
    http://www.spymac.com/details/?2373440
    http://www.spymac.com/details/?2373442

    About 50% of the people picking up their cars in BMW Welt were Americans.

    It gets great fuel economy btw. On B-roads it typically gets 50 mpg with normal driving (just keeping the rpms between 1500 and 2000). Autobahn driving at about 200 kph results in 33 mpg.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,458
    That's a sweet ride you got there my man! No diesels for us here in the US :mad: I really dig the practicallity of the hatchback.

    I've actually started to see more 1ers popping up on the roads around NYC. I passed a White 135i Coupe on the way to work, a Red 128i 'Vert, and a Montego Blue 1er on the other side of the road.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

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