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BMW 1-Series

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  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    If you are going to shell out big bucks for an over-priced small coupe, why not shell out $6000 more and get the ultimate, perfectly-proportioned, better-looking vehicle, which performs as close to the legendary M3 as many of us will ever get. Considering that the price differential between the M3 and 335i coupes is $17.000-$18,000, the 335i coupe becomes the screaming relative bargain, not the 135i. One can always borrow the $6000. Heck, instead of wasting time posting here, one could be out there picking up refundable cans and bottles for a year-the goal: to come up with the $6000 to close the deal on the amazing 335i coupe.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,148
    which performs as close to the legendary M3 as many of us will ever get.

    Actually, the 135 is even closer, so if that is your goal .... ??

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    No thanks.

    Whoops! 12:06 PM. Time to go out and pick up some cans and bottles. :)
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "...you can get BMW performance, driving dynamics, and luxury for the price of a Subaru WRX STI or Mitsubishi Evo..."

    Well, you would need to take "luxury" out of the equation. A base 135 is pretty spartan. And if you start to click off a couple of options the price creeps even closer to the 335.
  • davidd3davidd3 Posts: 582
    After researching the 1, test driving the 1, getting all excited about the 1, convincing myself that I could actually get my kids in the back if I had to, etc., I finally dragged my wife to a dealer to see it and she nixed it immeidately on looks alone. Said it looks like a scrunched up 3 and she couldn't believe I actually wanted to get one. So now it's been nixed, since this would be a shared car (her for commuting, me for weekends). She did like the 3 coupe though. So much for saving money . . .
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    The 1 Series Coupe does indeed look like a "scrunched up 3". I don't blame her for preferring the 3 Coupe. Her taste is obviously exquisite.

    You should be grateful the wife put some much needed sanity back in your life! ;)
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Glad you liked it! ;)
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    I see you've escaped from the Luxury Lounge. I'm sure the nuns are fixen to set the hounds after you.

    If looks are that important, isn't the A5/S5 better looking than them all?

    All that to say, I love the 1 series. We sell everyone that we can get.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    So you're a BMW salesman? Boy, what an arrogant attitude! Unbelieveable!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Hey! Good to hear from you my friend!

    I feel a lot of passion went out of the LL with the seemingly permanent sabbaticals of some terrific former members.

    Meanwhile, BMWFS has phoned me twice over the last 10 days, attempting to get me to buy my leased 2005 545i which I'm returning at the end of July. The residual is $34,300. First offer 10 days ago: $4000 off. Second offer today: $5600 off. If they get down to $25,000 as the purchase price, I'll be listening....

    Some horror story eh? All those V8, 20 mpg 545i's coming off lease with nobody to buy them. They will take a killing at Manheim.

    You know, getting back to the thread's topic, if I suddenly found a red or black 135i coupe sitting in my driveway, I would keep it without any protest. I just think the 335i coupe is a better vehicle. I don't hate the BMW 1 Series coupes; I just don't comprehend the reason for building them when you already have the 3 Series coupes which I still maintain look better, are more roomy and perform just as well as the 1's.

    Anyone here who has a 1 Series: Enjoy it! :)

    And yes, I agree. The A5/S5 are very handsome coupes with absolutely gorgeous interiors. As usual Audi beats BMW in the looks department. It's just that the A5/S5 will lose in sheer driving pleasure to BMW every time. It's why we put up with the "same old" boring BMW interiors. BMW has us hooked.

    Regards,

    Hpowders
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "A base 135 is pretty spartan."

    Spartan is a relative term. It comes with pretty much everything the 335i does.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Yeah, I suppose...but I just find the 3's interior more upscale-looking.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    "If you are going to shell out big bucks for an over-priced small coupe, why not shell out $6000 more and get the ultimate, perfectly-proportioned, better-looking vehicle"

    Hey, I agree the 335i Coupe is prettier than the 135i. Obviously, the better looks and roomier cabin are worth an extra $6000 to you. That's cool. And if you don't mind the performance hit you suffer from the added size and weight, then OK. I guess our priorities in a sporty coupe are different.

    "...performs as close to the legendary M3 as many of us will ever get. Considering that the price differential between the M3 and 335i coupes is $17.000-$18,000, the 335i coupe becomes the screaming relative bargain, not the 135i."

    You lost me here. The 135i outperforms the 335i and costs less, so how can the 335i be the "screaming relative bargain?"

    But really, who are we kidding? Calling the 335i (or 135i) a "bargain" compared to the M3 is like calling a Yamaha upright piano a bargain compared to a Steinway Concert Grand.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Well, it is roomier. But otherwise, I can't really tell the difference between the two.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    The difference in performance between the 135i and 335i coupe is so close, there was no justification for BMW to create the former vehicle. And speaking of mass, the 135i is pretty darn hefty for its size.

    BMW could have really made a statement here by creating a lighter vehicle like the 2002 used to be, devoid of the heavy technological doodads that most of us surely don't need; a car designed for purists, with a stick, basic radio, manually adjusted cloth seats, with a great BMW engine, suspension and brakes say for $30,000 plus tax, out the door. They would have earned my respect.
  • dhamiltondhamilton Posts: 873
    sure how that's arrogant but anyway.

    HP, I gotta go with Fedlawman on this, in a cash, or finance purchase, the 1 series is a hit IMO. 200 pounds is 200 pounds. Room is irrelevant when discussing performance isn't it?

    At any rate, I'm still jealous of your 545. It's such a sleeper.

    As far as stuff we don't need, I agree. But a lot of that stuff is government mandated. Airbags, tire pressure monitoring, you can't build a car without those things nowadays.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I'm not sure there is any real-life "performance hit" to speak off.

    I'm assuming by "relative bargain", he was referring to more than just performance specs on paper.

    I can't quite equate the Yamaha to Steinway analogy, but that's neither here nor there.

    Let me put it this way, if I can only buy and keep one car for the rest of my life, I would feel quite comfortable in picking the 335i. Not sure I can say the same about the 135i. Well, ok, I know I can't say that about the 135i.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,269
    Oh sure. The 1 Series is a big hit. I never stated that it wasn't selling well. The 335i is already more fun than the state troopers will allow me. Slightly better performance of a 135i (if you say so. I'm not convinced) doesn't do anything for me. As it is, I have to keep the 545i on a muzzle leash. It will not go under 80 mph on the highway. I have tried, but the default setting seems to be 80. I am obviously driving the 545i in the wrong country. :(

    I'm planning on giving back the 545i late next month. I know BMWFS will never offer me a $25k buyout price, but if they go down to $28k(they are currently at $29,307 from an original buyout price of $34,300), I may decide to buy it. The vehicle has behaved flawlessly for 3 years and has less than 26k miles on it.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I do agree that BMW missed an opportunity to make the 135i something really special. It's no 2002.
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