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BMW 1-Series

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  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    They don't have to bring the hatch to the US. There are other body styles.
    The wagon looks good and 2 or 4 door models would probably look good also.
    I'd get the wagon if it had enough power and a usable back seat.
    I would have to see and drive one to know if it would meet my needs.
  • guess it is so...the Mini is too small to sell here, right? Americans won't buy hatches, right?

    Heck, about 20 years ago, not a single manufacturer was in a hurry to build a new SUV for the market...now everyone of them has one, wants one, or is busy making more of them.

    fads, fashion, and reality all play roles in things. As gas gets more expensive and we get more and more congested in our big cities, it is only a reality that hatches will grow in popularity...I like them, always have, though I must be strange for that reason...

    I don't think a car needs a trunk to be consider luxurious...besides, hatches are tons more useful than a sedan of the same size...the Matrix, Vibe, and Mazda hatches are all doing just fine.
  • did look a bit ugly though...so no big loss here.

    The C230 is sharp...I see one around my parts almost everyday...I like that little bugger.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    While Mini is popular, actual sales numbers are tiny. Hardly a blip in the big picture.

    Ford produced more green F150s on Thursdays than Mini does all year.

    -juice
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    guess it is so...the Mini is too small to sell here, right? Americans won't buy hatches, right?

    The Mini is not a luxury car. It's a sporty unreliable econobox.

    Heck, about 20 years ago, not a single manufacturer was in a hurry to build a new SUV for the market...now everyone of them has one, wants one, or is busy making more of them.

    SUVs were popular 20 years ago. Hatches were too. One fell out of favor.

    As gas gets more expensive and we get more and more congested in our big cities, it is only a reality that hatches will grow in popularity...I like them, always have, though I must be strange for that reason...

    To each his own. Hatch to me signals cars from the likes of Toyota, Honda, GM.

    I don't think a car needs a trunk to be consider luxurious...besides, hatches are tons more useful than a sedan of the same size...the Matrix, Vibe, and Mazda hatches are all doing just fine.

    Again you bring up cruddy econoboxes. Great Ford sells oodles of Focus variants, guess every manufacturer should move to producing substandard egg-shaped, recall-hungry little FWDers.

    A hatch offers a sizable upside in space. I don't buy my cars for space in the trunk or for storage space. You know what's in the back of my BMW? A cargo net. The back of my Protege? A window wiper. That's it. Two cars, neither trunk has anything in them. Why the heck would I need 10 more cubic space? I don't.

    We're all different and for some of us trunk space has zero bearing on the purchase of a vehicle. I bought both my cars because they were fun to drive.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    e C230 is sharp...I see one around my parts almost everyday...I like that little bugger.

    You can buy them for a song. Go for it.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,430
    It's a sporty unreliable econobox

    just where do you get this information? The MINI problems board here on Edmunds has a whopping 110 posts in almost 2 years of existence. And nowhere near all of those posts are problems.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Small sample of owners at Edmunds, no wonder there are few posts.

    It might (just maybe) be more significant to compare the # of posts in complaints to the # of posts in the regular threads.

    Even then, no. People come to the Subaru Problems threads to find out why their lights are on, but dim (it's the parking light switch on the top of the steering wheel). 5 posts later that wasn't really a problem.

    -juice
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    just where do you get this information? The MINI problems board here on Edmunds has a whopping 110 posts in almost 2 years of existence. And nowhere near all of those posts are problems.


    There is only one vehicle made that is more trouble prone than the mini: the H2. The Mini had the dubious distinction of being the most trouble-prone car sold last year. It beat out Korean makes.
    Check JD Power. The Mini is a rolling piece of garbage. Cute and fun but still a very poorly made car.

    "On May 6, the highly regarded J.D. Power & Associates survey of initial quality ranked the Mini 25th of 28 brands, with 166 consumer complaints per 100 vehicles sold, compared with an industry average of 133 complaints."

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, for a cup holder. Gimme a break.

    The H2 is unreliable because it's inefficient with fuel. Gimme break #2.

    That source isn't really that credible, if you ask me.

    -juice
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    PS Bet the Mini does very well in their APEAL study. Which matters more to you? That you like driving it, or the cup holders?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,430
    i'm not even sure what the heck that means. I could give a dozen complaints about my car, but that doesn't mean its an unreliable piece of junk. As a matter of fact, its the best car I've ever owned!

    and juice, you're right about the number of posts. But I do watch the MINI boards here and there are many more posts on the general MINI board (about 1800 now) and I just don't see that many complaints. I actually see alot more on the new TL board and JD powers and Consumer Reports and any other one of those types of surveys consistently place HOnda and Acura very favorably. So what does that tell you? Yup, you guessed it, absolutely nothing. ;)

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Say what you will I've heard from mini owners who had problems with trim falling off, trannies breaking, superchargers not working.

    Personally, I think the cupholder thing is spin generated by BMW, who happens to also have lousy (average is lousy) reliability/workmanship.

    To each his own.

    PS Bet the Mini does very well in their APEAL study. Which matters more to you? That you like driving it, or the cup holders?

    Appeal is not a good indicator of anything beyond the fact many people want something. VW was high on the appeal list for a long time. BMW still is. Doesn't mean either are good makes.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    absolutely nothing

    LOL

    It wasn't BMW's spin about the cup holders, that fact was mentioned in a couple of different articles. Presumably the information came from JDP's own press releases.

    So let's see, you'd rather have a completely lousy, bore-you-to-death car that was perfectly reliable, vs. a passionate/fun car that might have a nit-pick or two?

    To each his/her own. It's nice to have choices.

    -juice
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    After living through VW, there's no way I'll own a car that's well known for having many problems. Mix German engineering with English build quality and the result can only be a disaster.

    I do not for a second believe you can't build a solid car that's fun. The Miata is a great example.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    the rental Mini CVT we sampled from Beverly Hills already had both front seats broken in different places -- seat height for the driver & rear access fold for the passenger side.

    BMW is already switching its seat supplier for the upcoming face-lifted version w/o the Chrysler engine built in Brazil.

    I know it's still the resale champ due to production shortage.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=45234
    "...the steering has a meaty feel, with direct responses to inputs...Both cars suffered ride vibration on fine surface ripples - the type you find in Britain where frost pits the road. This may be to do with the 17-inch rubber on our test models (16-inch will be standard in the UK), or the the fact that they were run-flat tyres, as there's no space for a spare wheel."
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    Hey good post! 2750 lbs...sweet. A turbo 2.2 would be nice with over 220 HP. Heck, my current 3 weighs 500 lbs more so that'd be a marked improvement.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Ah, an owner scorned. Never again, now I understand...

    I own a Miata, BTW. :o)

    Let's be fair, though, rentals get beat up pretty bad.

    The CS1 concept looked better, so maybe the coupe/sedan/convertibles will be better styled.

    -juice
  • ...looked awesome and had me inspired. The hatch has me thinking of looking elsewhere.

    From a style-only perspective, the MB Hatch is 10X better looking than the BMW in my books...and I here they are giving them away. :)
  • sunilbsunilb Posts: 407
    The latest Automobile magazine had a feature on the new 1/2 series and indicated that it looks like only a 2-series will make it's way to the states... and they stated that they thought it would be a higher-end 2 (e.g., M2) to evoke the spirit of the original 2002 (driver-oriented car).

    The pictures they had looked decent enough (not Bangelized, but not incredibly great-looking).. they great part were the specs-- a car lighter and tighter than the E46, with 250-300hp!

    I hope they are close to being right on this.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    ...the article did not imply that the M2 would be the exclusive model imported. What it said was that the 2er in all its forms [coupe, convertible, M2] would be the way that the smaller chassis gets used in the NA market.

    On one level, I'm fine with that [I bought one of the original 1600-2s imported to the West Coast in 1967]; on another, I still think they are missing a bet by not importing the 5-door 1er. No one from BMWNA asked me, of course...
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    the hatch isn't exactly what I would prefer, (I'd prefer the wagon or the sedan) but as a BMW, it should do fine.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    I hope it's available w/o the sport suspension like the '94 318is notchback coupe.

    You're not gonna believe how much Performance Car(now merged w/ CAR) loved the E36 even w/o sport suspension when compared to the Mercedes C-class sport. This soft-riding Beemer still oversteers/understeers intuitively, albeit the steering ratio was a little slow. I think I only need to add the LSD &, when driving on unfamiliar or slick roads, the DSC.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,658
    that bottom pic makes the car look like a modern version of the Audi Quattro Coupe (just shorter).

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • sunilbsunilb Posts: 407
    I'm digging that coupe... looks light yet stout and hunkered down.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Under the new naming structure will that be the 2-Series??

    Looks a lot better than the 5-door hatch. Put a small I6 (190hp) in it and it should do pretty well.

    M
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Posts: 6,257
    There won't be a new naming structure. BMW's backing off on that loopy idea as they're not going to can the M3 and make an M4. There's too much history with the M3 name to drop it for useless new naming. Ask Acura about that...

    Latest stuff points to 1 series as the name for all the smaller than 3 series cars. The i, cic and ci already differentiate among the car types.
  • then they are all over the map...Volvo is doing the same kind of thing...one number for the sedan, another for the wagon...

    IIRC, the Z3 turned into the Z4 to prepare for the upcoming renaming.
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