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  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    Thanks! fwiw, my wife's CPO looks and performs as new with 16K on the clock-and it cost considerably less than anything remotely comparable from Japan or the US. Yeah, we've really got buyer's remorse...
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "can't think of any other car I would choose over an X3."

    Umm...check out the new RAV4 V6. Almost the same dimensions and capacity as the X3. The X3 will be hard pressed to match it's straight ahead performance even with the 255hp motor. Yes, it is a little short on lux features compared to the X, but likely not by that much, since the X is no lux-mobile either. But the mechanical bits appear to be in place. OK, the x-drive is no doubt superior to the front-drive bias system on the Toyota.
    But with the price difference....the Toyota is a pretty compelling option. So I'm thinking...reliability in exchange for some luxury, and you pocket the extra cash (which is enough to buy a Yaris for the son/daughter entering college). Not a bad deal. But of course, it is not a BMW, so if the snob appeal of the propeller badge and kidney grill is important... ;)
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "straight ahead performance even with the 255hp motor."

    But there is a handling aspect to the X3 that will not be present in the Toyota. The X3 handles almost as well as a sedan.

    A Rav4 is not a stripper version of an X3. One could say it's a compelling argument if one forgoes the luxury and handling of an X3. Using the same thoughts, one could always get a loaded Sante Fe over the Rav4, pocket the money and take the family on a vacation to Hawaii.

    As far as reliability - it's a crap shoot either way.
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    I doubt many X3 owners go to bed at night wondering if they should have bought a Rav4.
  • jrynnjrynn Posts: 162
    with the price difference....the Toyota is a pretty compelling option. ... But of course, it is not a BMW, so if the snob appeal of the propeller badge and kidney grill is important... ;)

    Until Toyota can match the BMW driving experience -- and not just "straight ahead" acceleration -- there will be people who choose BMWs rather than Toyotas despite the "price difference."

    You are awfully snide to suggest that it's solely a function of "the snob appeal of the propeller badge and kidney grill." That comment might more accurately describe why a buyer would choose a Lexus over a Toyota if you substituted "L" for "propeller badge and "Lexus grill" for "kidney grill."

    (And even then, Lexus buyers could reasonably argue that there are qualitative differences that make the ES better than the Camry, the RX better than the Highlander, the GX better than the 4Runner, and the LX better than the Land Cruiser.)
  • davidc1davidc1 Posts: 167
    I think the handling, braking and power is there for the new RAV4 Sport, in addition to the perceived reliability. But it's still missing the manual transmission.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I agree with the handling...but the trade-off may be a harsher ride for some folks.

    The Sante Fe analogy is not really valid because the mechanical pedigree of the Fe is nowhere near that of the new RAV.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Not with the old RAV. But some X3 2.5 owners may...with the new RAV.
  • bdr127bdr127 Posts: 950
    It's totally relevant.... There is a lot more to a car than dimensions and straight-line acceleration.

    If you've driven a BMW (ANY BMW), then you'd understand what the driving hype is all about. For those who have never driven, then you just see it as a big price premium.

    Driving any Toyota versus any BMW is like Night versus Day.
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 11,341
    Of course, almost any new car will get you from point A to point B. If you are buying from a practical standpoint just buy 3 or 4 Yaris in case one is in the garage being fixed.
    Personally, the status image has nothing to do with it, I could have bought almost any car I wanted (and I don't even like to be driving a status symbol). I chose the X3 because it has the most room, best looks, best performance, most safety features, and is the best car I have ever driven (and that includes a lot of rental cars).
    Nothing wrong with being practical, but, if you enjoy the ride and the experience is important go for the X3, you only live once.

    2012 535ix 2013 Audi A4 2013 Passat

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Oh...I get it. Nothing drives like a BMW. So it would be superfluous to compare a BMW to any model. Don't bother to cross-shop anything. Just go out and buy that Bimmer. And God forbid anyone with the nerves to suggest an alternative.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Oh...I get it. Nothing drives like a BMW"

    I don't understand why on one you you say it's superflous to compare a BMW to anything, on the other hand you say a Sante Fe is not in the same league as the new RAV4? Can't have it both ways.

    You can cross shop anything you want, and if one is looking for basic transportation I wouldn't get the X3 or the RAV4. Basic transportation is available in the range of $15K.

    I think you would have had more success if you said the FX35 is an alternative. The new RAV4 will be all Toyota, unfortunately.
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Well said. Your sensible comments are appreciated. (I'm glad at least one BMW owner in here can respond intelligently) I actually feel the same way you do. I still may opt to pay the premium and go for an X3, but there are also other models that offer a strong alternative -- depending on your priorities.

    bodble2… nice to hear about your thirst for intelligent responses. But I remind you, below is how you lit the fuse around here—snob appeal and badge buying. It will always do the trick.

    But with the price difference....the Toyota is a pretty compelling option. So I'm thinking...reliability in exchange for some luxury, and you pocket the extra cash (which is enough to buy a Yaris for the son/daughter entering college). Not a bad deal. But of course, it is not a BMW, so if the snob appeal of the propeller badge and kidney grill is important...

    So when you respond sarcastically… Oh...I get it. Nothing drives like a BMW… I’m led to believe that if you do buy an X3 it will be for the badge. Too bad you would pay the premium and not understand what you are paying for. If this is the case, I would suggest getting the Rav4 and saving the money.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    kd, I was being sarcastic. I know you can (and should) cross-shop anything you want.
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    Yep, I read the CD article last week; I've been a subscriber since 1970. FWIW, I also subscribe to Automobile, Autoweek, R&T, and Thoroughbred & Classic Cars- not to mention Cycle World and Motorcycle Classics. I also pick up Car, Grassroots Motorsports, and Top Gear from time to time. As for the RAV4, it sounds like a competent vehicle-just not my cup of tea. The only Toyotas that interest me are the various permutations of the Mister Two. And as for Lexus, they make the best darn Buicks in the world!
    Now, one final time:
    How many BMWs have you driven?
    Thought so.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 39,058
    And the topic is the X3.

    There's four or five comparison topics in the archives that we'll be happy to reopen (or feel free to start an X3 v RAV4 one).

    If you just want to rant about other cars or other drivers, may I suggest:

    ""Wouldn't Be Caught Dead Driving One""

    and

    "You Are What You Drive!?"

    Steve, Host
  • . . .drive it like you live.

    I just signed back in and found this word war about two vehicles.

    What is snob appeal? Do BMW's have it?

    Beats me?

    There are snobs of all sorts for all sorts of things.

    I know folks who own Saabs, Volvos, Nissans, Audis, BMWs and Mercedes (and plenty of other brands.)

    Nothing I can put my finger on would make me think that BMW appeals any more or less to "snobs."

    People that like and repeatedly own Saabs can claim they like their cars because they're quirky -- but the key on the floor isn't usually something that makes me feel the Saab fan is a snob.

    I freely admit to knowing nuttin' about the Toyota RAV that has been part of the preceding discussion. My ONLY comment is I would, personally, not look at the X3 and the RAV as having a similar intended market.

    My wife thinks the X3 is "mostly" a BMW car not a BMW SUV (of course even BMW calls it an SAV.)

    She might consider an Infiniti or Acura "SUV" but I doubt it. She momentarily "paused" at both the Cayenne and Touareg V8, but found them not quite as car like as the X3.

    Maybe she would've loved the Toyota -- my gut is telling me they are generally not cross shopped. I have no clue what, if any, snobbish behavior this suggests.

    I don't personally know any valets so they are not able to offer me any insights either.

    The X3 is a great BMW -- IF it is equipped with "all the toys" -- indeed, it seems to be darn near a Premium Car when all the option boxes (except auto trans) are checked off.

    My wife busts on my continuing to be an Audi customer -- but this has nothing to do with her being a snob as far as I can tell.

    Drive it like YOU live.

    :shades:
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I drove the X3 in deep snow after it was first introduced and the xdrive was amazing.

    The thinking here eludes me. For example taking the Cayenne turbo as an extreme example, if you ignore that fact, the Cayenne turbo hits 60 in 5 seconds can do 155 without breathing hard, compete with a 911 and is capable of serious off-roading; anyone can say the new RAV4 is just as good for $65K less.

    To me the same thought process holds for the X3, while not a speed rocket or off-roader by any means, it handles as competently as the 3 series sedan. Something the RAV4 will never do. Yes it's more expensive and probably faster as well. People don't buy the badge, they buy what the badge represents in terms of performance and the essential BMW character.
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    People don't buy the badge, they buy what the badge represents in terms of performance and the essential BMW character.
    Precisely. BMW has remained focused on its "Ultimate Driving Machine" mission statement ever since the introduction of the "New Class" 1500 sedan at Frankfurt in 1961. In the case of the X3, BMW has managed to combine surprising off-road ability with-as you noted-the responsive handling of a 3er sedan. Now, if Munich would only cook up a "3.5is" version...
  • Wow, that's one impressive list of cars I must say. But do you drive/own any other brands, beside the Jeep???

    After having owned BMW's (325ic, 330ix, Z4, X5) for about 20 years, my cousin is switching to another "snob mobile": Lexus. His next car will be a Lexus (RX330 most likely). The one thing he says he'll miss about BMW is how grabby the brakes feel. To him that's the essential BMW character. :confuse:
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