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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 11,327
    Just some random thoughts. I always admired Toyotas and Hondas for their reliability, OK styling, and general favorable impression left by owners.
    My wifes Mercedes C Class was rear ended at a stop light and now we have a 2006 Honda Civic loaner for a few days...with about 100 miles on it.
    My positive impressions are;
    Fair amount of get up and go,
    Solid feeling,
    Design is clean and not offensive,
    My negative impressions are;
    Direct steering, you turn the wheel 2 inches to turn a corner,
    No hood, feels like driving a bus or a van. Windshield is so far forward and so sloped, you are detached from the road ahead,
    Seating position is never great - steering wheel isn't right.
    The big digital speedometer is right at the top of the dash and the numbers constantly changing is very distracting. I find that as I come to a stop the numbers are still falling - and I watch it to see if it gets to zero,
    The dash is on two tiers and it looks a little bit like you are seeing double,
    Rear vision is poor with big head rests and lots of metal in the rear quarters,
    No feel of the road and not much fun to drive.
    This is a car I have always admired mostly from reading reviews, surveys and owners comments. I think I would be disappointed in a RAV4 or Acura RD-X.
    Now if I just needed basic transportation or was on a budget I would consider these cars, but I have been spoiled with my X3. :)

    2012 535ix 2013 Audi A4 2013 Passat

  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    I've been looking for a work beater for a while now and I'll probably wind up with an E36 or E46 when all is said and done. That said, I really like the design of the new GTI. Too bad it's only available in FWD.
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 11,327
    I'll probably wind up with an E36 or E46
    Nothing wrong with those, or the GTI. The GTI should be sensational and the E36 or 46 are nicer than most new cars out there today....I actually prefer the 36 to almost any new car. I prefer the simple squared off styling and the big windows to the current models. Oh well, that's progress..... :cry:

    2012 535ix 2013 Audi A4 2013 Passat

  • If anyone is looking for an 05 X3 3.0 with manual I spoke to a nice guy and his wife yesterday who had a for sale sign on their X3. They are only asking 28k for it and said they might even take 27k for it with only 15,800 miles! I just wish my wife could drive a stick and I'd buy it in a second. Oh well. My hunt for an immacualate 1 or 2 year old X3 continues.
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 11,327
    If anyone is looking for an 05 X3 3.0 with manual

    That sounds tempting.....if I was in the market. My 2004 2.5 is automatic and has just over 20,000 miles on it. I am only doing about 10,000 miles a year so it might last 10 years. :D
    By the way, I sometimes wish I had a manual, but usually I prefer the automatic, easier to talk on the cell and juggle the coffee while looking for another radio station.

    IMHO that X3 is worth every penny! :)

    2012 535ix 2013 Audi A4 2013 Passat

  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    Im being practical...........

    I would have to agree with you, but lets take it a step futher......

    Cayanne turbo S and a M5 might do the trick!
  • I just got my black sapphire X3 with premium pack, heated seats, PDC, HID, Serv steering, and privacy glass yesterday. I drove for about 70 miles and the darn "service engine soon" light comes on! Has anyone else in this forum experience this within the first day or the week of ownership? Any insights on the seriousness of this problem?

    Thanks a bunch.

    Jupiter415 :sick:
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    Has anyone else in this forum experience this within the first day or the week of ownership? Any insights on the seriousness of this problem?

    All US cars built since 2006 are fitted with the second generation of On-Board Diagnostics(OBDII). When an OBDII system detects a fault in the engine management system it will illuminate the "Service Engine Soon"(SES) light. Since there are dozens of potential fault codes, it's impossible to determine exactly what triggered the light on your car. That said, one of the most common causes of an SES light is a loose fuel filler cap-I would check that first. In any event, your dealer will be able to determine what is wrong in a matter of minutes. Since it's a new car, the problem is most likely a loose sensor connection or possibly what the techs call an "infant mortality"-a sensor or other electronic part that has failed within the first few hours of operation. I really wouldn't worry about it; let the dealer fix it and drive on down the road. The problem is not indicative of long term reliability.
  • Often, it will be the fuel filler cap. I cannot recall if it will reset itself, tho.

    I think we had expected the clicky clicky sound when replacing the gas cap and, as you may now know, it doesn't clicky more than once.

    I think we had ours reset and since we now know how to put the gas cap back on, it has never happened a second time.

    Hopefully, this is operator error, even if you weren't the person who put the cap back -- hopefully with only 70 miles on it -- you have not needed gas.

    Let us know.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,938
    Ok Nyccarguy, I'll bite. ;)

    BMW X3 vs. Acura RDX

    I'll move the recent thread over there - the RDX boards could use some action. Please continue there. Thanks!
  • Karen@EdmundsKaren@Edmunds Posts: 5,026
    A national newspaper is looking to interview Porsche and BMW owners who use their car for “everyday driving,” from going to the grocery store to commuting to and from work, instead of just using the car during the weekends for nice drives. Please send an e-mail to no later than Monday, August 28, 2006 by 2:30 PM PT/5:30 PM ET containing your daytime contact information and what car you drive.

    Karen-Edmunds Community Manager

  • Has anyone had an experience with the dealer installed "garage door opener"? I had the dimming mirror and garage door opener mirror installed as an extra when I bought the vehicle. I have tried everything to get the "rolling code" opener to operate. The fixed code does work. I have had 6 other vehicles,BMWs and Audis that work just fine so I do know how to program the damn thing. Home Link can't help and BMW tells me to call Home Link. Daha!! Can anyone give me some constructive input??

    Thanks, Bmwbob
  • Frustrating? We just use the visor clip on remote that came with the door opener.

    Not what you want to hear, but at least it works and you don't have to spend hours getting mad.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "We just use the visor clip on remote that came with the door opener.'

    I thought that was because you didn't buy the Homelink option?
  • And you would be correct! We never dreamed Homelink wouldn't be on a $47K car.

    But there's no alarm system or power folding mirror either.

    The tinted rear glass is also extra.

    We love the X3, but EVERYTHING is an option for pity's sake.

    I assume the extra ignition key was an extra charge too.
  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    The new pics of the X5 are about everywhere and I am blown away how nice it is.

    Certainly the family resemblance is there and the X5 looks great inside and out.

    I had not considered it previously but I will drive it and consider. The lack of manual transmission is a bummer and may be the deciding factor.

    To keep it under 50 I would have to forgo certain nicities but that interior is really nice!
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I think it's grown too big -- for me personally anyway.
  • I just traded in my 2005 G35 Coupe 8k for an X3 Black Saphire/Black. This is my first BMW and I try to compare to my G35 and my other SUV Murrano.

    MSRP: 2006 X3:$40650
    2005 G35:$37500
    2006 Murrano:$38900 everything except DVD.

    The X3 feels like driving my G35 but with less power. It realy drives good, stick to the road and the whole body act like one metal piece like a glove. So handling is awesome much better then murrano. X3 seats are not as good as Murrano or G35. X3 also used cheap plastic inside which kind of surprise me seeing such cheap quality on a 41K SUV.
    Also 6-CD changer is an option which should be a standard like Murrano with premium pkg. Bluetooth works good with my Verizon Moto Q. Still learning the voice commands, does any one knows a site which tells me all of their voice prompt commands for Mobile phone. The manual sucks and dosent explain these things in detail. Just drove 70 miles and can see the famous brake dust on the wheels. Murrano dont have this problem. I do like the M/S shift option in X3 to change to manual and sport. I used that in G35 also. Kids like the panoramic glass roof. X3 is narrow but has more depth in Cargo as compare to Murrano. As far AWD the real test will come in chicago Winter storm the reason I sell my G35.

    Overall I am pleased by this X3 because I likes a driver CAR. Other options I had were ML350, RDX, RX350, Volvo but I went for X3, and X5 was too pricy and fuel hog.
    Can we used 87 or 89 fuel or only 91 grade.
  • You must use Premium fuel.

    I have seen the upcoming (October) 2007 X3 and I am smitten with:

    #1 Standard 260HP engine
    #2 Standard no cost choice: 6speed manual or 6speed auto
    #3 Major upgrade to the interior, especially the dash
    #4 Better integration of body color bumpers
    #5 Optional 19" wheels and tires
    #6 More standard equipment and more of what you would expect in a Package.

    Imagine our disbelief at $47K at NOT having a built in garage door opener or an alarm system with enunciator (beep beep!)

    We, too, love ours -- and the OLD engine is mostly just fine as wine IF it is mated to the 6speed stick. The new engine probably will be just fine with the 6speed steptronic what with the extra cog and the higher torque that goes with the 260HP.


    For "content" purposes, the new 2007 is actually lower in cost at MSRP than the outgoing model.

    I heard, don't know and haven't been able to confirm, that the new 2007 X3 has addressed some of the "harsh" ride concerns, too.

    Dream time:

    Take the upgraded X3, put the 3.0 twin turbo engine in it, offer either the stick or auto and offer dynamic roll stabilization (from the new X5.)

    Talk about a swiss army knife of cars:

    Car handling (and nimble at that, too.)
    Impressive power and economy (300HP 29MPG)
    Classy Interior (might be nice to up grade it even more with the swoopy dash integraing the iDrive screen a la the 335)
    Off road prowess
    Decent cargo carrying
    A real back seat (for two)


    OH YEA -- keep it with all the toys at $49,999 even if you have to make the auto transmission a $1250 option or vice versa (whatever the market research bears out, i.e.)
  • jrynnjrynn Posts: 162
    Can we used 87 or 89 fuel or only 91 grade.

    Premium is "recommended" not "required." If you use fuel with a lower octane rating, you MAY see a small decline in performance. Manufacturers test with higher octane fuel (and "recommend" but do not "require" it's use) because it permits them to report higher horsepower, higher torque, and faster acceleration numbers.

    Check out post #55 in the "Acura TSX: Real world mileage" thread which has a link to a Washington Post article. Here's a short excerpt:


    "Automotive experts say using regular gas in most vehicles does no damage and makes no discernible difference in performance. Cars made in the past 15 years have such highly refined computer controls that the engine will adjust to the grade of octane in the gasoline, even in cars sold as requiring premium gasoline. Some drivers -- in some cars under some driving conditions -- may notice a drop in horsepower, but for most people behind the wheel, it wouldn't be enough to notice, the experts say.

    "It's not going to hurt anything," said Peter Gregori, service manager for EuroMotorcars, a Mercedes-Benz dealer in Bethesda. In fact, Gregori has been using regular gas in one of his own Mercedes cars for two years, and "it's perfect," he said -- even though Mercedes-Benz says owners should use only premium.

    "I get better mileage with the regular than I do with the high-test, in this particular model that I have," Gregori said. Among cars that come in for service, Gregori said, he can't tell which have been sipping premium."
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