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  • pp2009pppp2009pp Posts: 228
    What does that matter to those of us who have cars that drive like ****?

    You are lucky although if you are comparing it to MB then I will say that isn't much of a comparison. MB has had reliability problems for a long time and I wouldn't touch any of them with a 10 foot pole.

    I do not doubt that your car is fine from your perspective but you seem to doubt that other X3's are **** from our perspective. Do you really think we want to waste gobs of time putzing around with brand new cars like this?

    I should be able to pick up a new BMW and have it drive perfectly. Sure, there can be a glitch or two but I am talking about the heart of the car: the suspension and the transmission.

    Don't even get me start about the window-fogging HVAC.
  • Is there nothing else to do with a tranny troubled 07 x3? Is anything going on regarding a class action suit? I can't believe BMW put out this terrible performing 6 speed auto transmission out for public consumption without some research.
  • pp2009pppp2009pp Posts: 228
    FWIW people seem to be handling this problem individually. Some have said that they made a deal to turn in their malfunctioning AT for an MT or had it bought back in its entirety. I do not know for sure what is true and what is just babbling on the internet.

    At any rate, no one can tell me what the difference is between an actual MT and driving the AT in MT mode. If the fault is in the software programming then why not just drive around in MT mode?

    No one can tell me either why, if it is a sw problem, the AT supposedly drives worse in colder weather. Nothing much makes sense.

    There are many excuses: you don't know how to drive a BMW, it is designed that way, they all drive that way, we can't recreate it, you must be imagining it, it was fixed with the last update in 2007, drive around in SD, etc but no final solutions except to get rid of the car asap.

    They do acknowledge there is (was) a problem and, I agree with you, they should have stopped selling the car after the 2007s and gone back to the 5 speed transmission for 2008 and 2009. I have no idea what the 2010s and 2011s are going to have because, heck, that doesn't help us anyway.

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,301
    At any rate, no one can tell me what the difference is between an actual MT and driving the AT in MT mode.

    Well, the MT has three pedals, for one thing...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • Lots of bad reviews? Like citing it as the best-handling and most fun-to-drive crossover on the market?

    Almost all bad reviews were on the original 2004~2006 models when equipped with sport package. From 2007 the ride was smoothed greatly, and without the sport package the car is still very firm, but is not in any way bouncy.

    There is no comparison between an X3 and a Lexus RX. Its like complaining that a 328i isn't as cushy as a Lexus ES350, when it should be compared with the (still softer than BMW) IS250.

    This is a car/truck that rides stiff. It rides stiff so that it can handle well and not be floaty or tippy. If you do not like a stiff ride, you shouldn't buy a BMW.
  • pp2009pppp2009pp Posts: 228
    The 2009 X3 has much to recommend it but to say that it rides 'stiff' like a 'BMW should' is absurd. BMWs ride stiffly and, to those of us who have driven BMWs FOR YEARS that is anticipated and expected.

    The X3 doesn't ride stiffly, it sways side-to-side through the mid section, bucks from the front and bounces around on the most minor of road imperfections. Having a hot cup of coffee is taking a big risk in this car. Of course I am talking about MY CAR. Your mileage may differ.

    Try comparing the ride to a BMW SEDAN. You get the stiff ride but the sedans do not continue to reverberate from the shock of hitting a mole hill or a tiny ridge in the road as the X3 does. This is also a very good way to check out the X3's psychotic transmission. The BMW SEDANs shift beautifully while the X3 can't figure out what it is doing unless you are lead footing the that case the X3 acts as it should and provides nice power and smooth acceleration. In either case, the X3 still downshifts to a stop as if it were confused by the process.

    Talking about Edmund's own review, try checking out the longterm test drive on the inside line. They managed to destroy the suspension in an afternoon of riding around on a state maintained fire road. This was very much unexpected by the reviewers.

    You think?

    Yes, the Lexus RX, IIRC their best-selling car and the best selling luxury SUV/SAV around is not like the X3. It doesn't have the handling or the sportiness but it doesn't shake your bones around either. The X3's suspension - or whatever is causing this bouncing around - is absurd. It makes what should be an excellent car (except for the transmission and the lack of standard features) a big question mark.

    BMW could have hit this one out of the park but it did not.

    On the good side, I am pleased to say that the X3 has excellent and sure-footed handling on wet pavement. I hear that it is great in snow with the DTC but haven't gotten around to trying it out.

  • Of course you blast the X3, you clearly got a lemon, and spend dozens and dozens of posts telling everybody.

    My car doesn't pogo around. My car doesn't shift abruptly. My car has no problem with upshifts, downshifts or much of anything else.

    My car is a bit stiffer than my Mercedes C300 sport, and about the same as my friend's 128i sport package. My car (no sport package, 2009 base X3) handles like a dream on any surface, has a wonderful transmission that easily matches the excellent 7 speed in my Mercedes for smoothness.

    I recently did a 300 mile drive from Los Angeles to Las Vegas in the X3 and all four occupants were comfortable and enjoyed the ride. Of course, my X3 isn't a lemon. What it is, is the best new car ever in my family. Zero defects, zero issues, 19,000 perfectly trouble-free miles and at 80 MPH on the way to Vegas it even gave us 27 MPG.
  • pp2009pppp2009pp Posts: 228


    BMW’s usually have a firm to stiff suspension set up. I’m usually good with that, and prefer a firm ride to a spongy one, but it just doesn’t work in the X3. The ride quality on smooth highway roads was acceptable, but on ordinary city and suburban streets, every bump, and undulation caused to car to pogo up and down for several seconds after riding over the dip. The buckboard ride got old after a short time. It wasn’t as nervous and bouncy as a trail-rated Jeep Rubicon, but it was definitely more truck-like than car-like.

    That being said, you’d expect the compensation for the harsh ride would mean flat cornering, but the X3 had about the same amount of body roll as other SUVs, like the Hyundai Santa Fe, and much more than the Infinity EX35. "

    ===================== Good description of what in the world is wrong with the X3's ride. I do disagree with the author that the Infiniti is a direct competitor as the Infiniti has no cargo space and is essentially (along with the Audi Q5) a sporty station wagon or large hatchback...take your pick.

    I also disagree that BMW should have pics of X3's going off road since the dealer explicitly said to NOT take it off road.
  • pp2009pppp2009pp Posts: 228
    "Of course you blast the X3, you clearly got a lemon, and spend dozens and dozens of posts telling everybody. "

    Not according to BMW. Although it is still rather muddy as opposed to being perfectly clear, the X3 I have 'drives like every other new X3'. Take that up with them.

    If I have an X3 lemon then there are plenty of them out there including those given to reviewers like the one above. It has finally gone through the break in period during which I kept hearing that it was too new and that it had to settle. Well, it has settled into doing what it did before. It is still just as quirky as before.

    I'm not sure what difference the 'break in' period is supposed to make but if the driver is supposed to get used to the car's quirks...that hasn't happened. It is still a carnival ride of a car.

    What is interesting is that it has a great grip on the road, a nice tight turn radius and it feels like a little tank. I can see how great a car it could be and then it sees a manhole cover or imagines a slight dip in the road and it goes bouncity-bounce-bounce down the road shaking everything inside. Oddly enough when it sees a BIG pothole it takes that just fine.

    It is the strangest car I have ever driven.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,413
    we got our 1st snowstorm of the year over the weekend here in Southern NY. We were supposed to go to a housewarming party on Saturday night on Long Island (got pounded with 18" of the white stuff) & I was very excited to drive our X3. The party was cancelled & we ended up staying in. By Sunday AM, the roads were 90% clear. Sunday night we ventured out to Long Island to my in-laws' place and sure enough some of the side roads on Long Island were still snow covered. The X3 tracks beautifully in the snow (with the stock all season tires) and just goes without question.

    It really doesn't snow much here. We get maybe 5 storms a year with significant accumulation. The 4wd isn't a necessity, my FWD Prelude with 4 dedicated winter tires is amazingly agile in the snow. It is however a great thing to have.

    I recently purchased a 2010 Acura TSX to eventually replace the X3 when the lease is up at the end of July 2010. I'm sure 4 dedicated snow tires will get the Acura through our realtively quiet winters, but I'll miss the X3 when its gone. My wife likes the Acura, but I think she loves driving the X3 & would do so if we weren't on our way to being over the mileage.

    The X3's steering feel is superb. It is quiet & smooth. Comfortable without being plush. When you drop the hammer, the X3 goes & doesn't stop until you let off the gas. Passenger room is terriffic. Snow traction is tremendous.

    My major complaint about the X3 is its cargo space. There isn't much of it behind the rear seats. Our TSX has a bigger trunk (front to back)

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • salasala Posts: 1
    Hi iam new trying to find fuse box on my 2008 x3 can some one help thanks
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,413
    39,600 miles and a big black mark goes on our '07 X3's pristine record. It actually snowed today, my wife needed the X3 for work, I've been home sick with some form of the flu since Monday & NOTHING. The phone rings and she tells me the truck is dead.

    "How is that possible, I drove it yesterday & it was fine." I replied "Don't worry, take the TSX & I'll deal with the truck."

    How hard can this be, I go and try to jump my X3 with my Mom's '08 328xi. Instead of nothing, I get 2 clicks, then nothing. I let the battery charge, same result.

    I called BMW roadside assistance. They came (outsource), couldn't jump me with the booster pack, & went straight for the battery in the back. Fired up, let it run for a half hour.

    Now some dash lights are on - uh oh. I call my service advisor at WIDE WORLD BMW (Spring Valley, NY). He asks if I can bring the truck in today? NO PROBLEM.

    I bring the X3 in, they wisk it away. Test the battery & read fault codes. Battery is fine. There is an electrical component that reads the key & tells the car to start. For some reason that is shot & it makes the battery die. New PArt will be in Tuesday. Don't worry, the truck should be fine. Just jiggle the keys a few times & it will work.

    I stopped at the Porsche dealer to drool. 15 minutes later the X3 was dead again.

    The guys at the Porsche dealer jumped me & I headed straight back to BMW.

    SA gets me an emergency loaner ('09 528i w/ X drive) & tells me he'll call me when the truck is ready.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,413
    The culprit was an EWS Control Unit & EWS Antenna Ring.

    Everything was replaced, the truck was cleaned, & returned to us.

    I haven't driven the X3 a whole lot in the past few months. I got re-aquainted with it on our drive home. It is still a great driving truck. Strong acceleration, great steering & brakes.

    It made me think. 45,000 miles (currently 39,600) and 3 years might not be the end of our relationship with our '07 Montego Blue BMW X3 3.0si. Maybe if I'm offered a nice chunk off of the residual value by BMWFS - I'll take it or if I can convince the dealer to buy the X3 from BMW, CPO it, & sell it back to me cheaper than the residual value.

    stay tuned

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • dwc4dwc4 Posts: 1
    I am in the proces of looking at a new vehicle...I am looking at a BMW X3, or a new Subaru Outback Limited...which way should go..the BMW is a 2008, 2ith about 25,000 miles on it...I am really confused...any ideas out there?
  • pp2009pppp2009pp Posts: 228
    Well, I would read up on the continuing weirdness with the X3's auto transmission, its rock hard bouncing pony ride and check the VIN on the 2008 for any big fixes.

    The Subarus get good marks from reviewers so I would test drive them, if at all possible, the same day along the same or similar route. The BMW dealer also said to NEVER take the X3 off roading...I don't know much about Subarus but they always show them muddy.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,301
    You need to take a long test drive in both vehicles and evaluate how you are going to use it. We cross-shopped the X3 and the Forrester in 2005 and decided on the BMW- but that's not to say that Subaru doesn't build some outstanding cars and SUVs. The X3 is no Wrangler or Defender 90, but it can handle light off-road work. I have driven our 2004 X3 2.5 through 10-12 inches of viscous mud and through nearly two feet of snow. I know that the 2004 X3s were designed to operate in up to @20" of water, but I do not know if later models retained that ability. The BMW Performance Center has an off-road course designed to teach X3 and X5 owners about their vehicle's capabilities, and you can see a video of it by going to this page and clicking on "Other Roads".

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • pp2009pppp2009pp Posts: 228
    There are a number of reports of broken springs in the X3 and Edmund's own long term testing on the '05 had them destroying the suspension in an afternoon of 'off-roading' on fire trails.

    It goes to the mall like most SUVs.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,301
    "There are a number of reports of broken springs in the X3 and Edmund's own long term testing on the '05 had them destroying the suspension in an afternoon of 'off-roading' on fire trails."

    My house is at the end of a 2000 foot long fire trail. At 92,000 miles all four springs are still intact.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • pp2009pppp2009pp Posts: 228
    "Rear shocks blown on state-maintained fire access road. Shocks were replaced under warranty.

    An afternoon of cruising a bumpy desert road proved to be too much for the X3's rear suspension. Perhaps our test vehicle's street-focused sport package had something to do with it, but we're still left scratching our heads. In any case, both rear shocks were rendered useless, and several suspension parts needed replacement.

    Though the bouncy ride back to the office was fun for a few miles, we ended up parking the X3 while we waited a week for the back-ordered parts to arrive."

    The dealer said, explicitly, to never take the X3 off road. Maybe they know about this article by Edmunds or maybe they have seen other issues. The broken pigtail on the springs seems to come up now and again. It appears rusted at times and at other times not so much.

    Head scratcher it is and around $1K to replace both. I'm sure the guy setting the street on fire can find a discount.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,413
    This has been a particularly snowy winter here in NY. They predicted a big snowstorm and they were right (this time). Thursday night into Friday we got more than 18" of big, wet, snowflakes. They always plow very well in our apartment complex. Leavinf for work is usually just a case of brushing the snow off the car and going.

    This time the plows couldn't keep up. They must have called it quits sometime in the middle of the night. The X3 was buried in snow up to its doors & blocked in by snow up to its bumper 3 feet wide until the plowed road.

    I hopped in, fired up the X3, hopped out, & cleaned it off. Once I cleaned all the snow off the X3, I threw it in Reverse & hit the gas. 4 wheels spun. I dug out behind the rear wheels, switched the DTC off, threw it in Reverse, & hit the gas. The X3 fishtailed in place.

    I won't bore you all with the rest of the details, but after moving back, and getting stuck again and again, it took me over an hour and a half to get the X3 out of the parking spot.

    I think part of it had to do with the heavy, wet, snow. Part had to do with the Michelin All Season tires with over 40K miles.

    Once out of the parking spot, it handled the snow covered roads beautifully.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

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