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BMW X3

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  • ulepulep Posts: 63
    1. premium is different from luxury. you can have a premium sports car but not a luxury sports car.

    2.dont tell me VW and all other companies doesn't skew for money. what i'm saying is BMW targets younger costumers WITH the x3. lets face it, a 50 year old man will never look at the x3 the same way a 30 yr old will.

    3.well i dont like the range rover. could have gotten the x5 (55K) but it doesn't fit my needs.If anybody thinks they got a better suv with te same price as the x3....Congratulation. remember buying a car is a matter of taste.

    4.did i say it's exclusive..hmmm.let me go up and review my post. oh i said "Dont really care if i'm the only god forsaken human being to own an x3. for me it's a blessing. for me,price is not one of my criteria in choosing this suv. if some people cant afford it i'm sure there's a lot more capable suv to choose from. that why i know that i'm one of the few happy owners of the x3..(snobbish huh...:-)". let me explain:a lot of people hate this vehicle. i dont care if sales of the x3 plumet, Ill still be one happy x3 owner. the thing is not exclusive but for me it's a premium vehicle.
  • mamgtmamgt Posts: 67
    I enjoyed your in-depth review, though I did not agree with all of your observations. You trash the looks of the X3:

    "From the side, one might be able to guess Bimmer by the headlight design but really with is long flat surfaces, uninterrupted lines and lack of any hard creases, the X3 could easily blend in with the mini-ute crowd."

    I agree that the X3 does not scream design like some Italian cars do, but as far as I can tell, BMWs have always looked understated. That's what makes them so appealing...like a wolf in sheeps clothing, they handle great without screaming: look at me. Having said that, I do think the look of the X3 has a level of sophistication just plain lacking in the RX and FX. My first impression of the FX was: wow, now that looks cool. But the more I study it, the less I like it (it's just trying too hard). Same with the RX. What's up with the back end?

    With the X3 it was the other way around. First impression was: Could be a bit bolder. But every time I see it while driving by the dealer in the morning, it just keeps looking better and - yes -more sophisticated. Maybe that's why BMW's seem to age so well.

    But couldn't agree more with your conclusion:

    "In the end, it's the marriage of the engine, suspension, tranny and drivetrain that determine if a vehicle is up to snuff....Over the course of a few days I drove close to 200 miles with the X3 3.0. I encountered everything from city streets to rush hour traffic to wide open freeways to twisty tree-lined roads. On all of them the X3 delivered a satisfying experience."

    That captures it all in a nutshell. From what I can tell, few on this forum have complained about the X3's handling or driving experience....and that's precisely why I bought one and am looking forward to driving one.
  • Can't we just get along!!

    You all are making good points but let's not get so defensive. I've come to accept X3 was not intended to be a high-end SAV (can you say net pockets!), but a sporty one. The BMW version of Xterra. So for what it is, it is a nice SAV.

    p.s. Funny I compared the X3 to the Xterra. I just came back from a business trip where I rented a compact Nissan. The upper part of the dash with that big storage compartment looked exactly like the X3's!
  • saugataksaugatak Posts: 488
    tponchak, I said it's funny that some people have basically repeated all the arguments that I previously raised because I have a sense of humor.

    You and I have a war of words on the X3 interior, we call it quits, and then it flames up again unprovoked among entirely different parties. To me, that's quite amusing.

    I'm even more amused by your "threat" of bringing up the Ford Escape comparo. But to be fair, then you'd also have to jump on the Honda CR-V, the Toyota RAV4 and now the Nissan Xterra comparos that have also been made. Why single out the Ford Escape for such treatment?

    Also, I can't check out the X3 at the LA autoshow b/c I'm still in NYC. Will be moving out in March.

    blueguydotcom, I applaud your post #551. Masterfully written.

    This board was initially dominated by (my guess) older people who have owned and experienced a variety of luxury and sporty cars who were hoping to get a smaller, lighter, more drivable X5 without sacrificing the luxury in the X5. After checking out the X3, most of those people have left this board.

    This board will slowly but surely be dominated by X3 fans, who value the driving exp. of a BMW over luxury and want something bigger than a 3-series but don't want to be stuck in a BMW station wagon.

    For those purchasers, I have 2 words: LIGHTEN UP!

    It's great that you're happy with your car, but that doesn't mean it's without flaws. I'm beginning to believe that if someone simultaneously threw bowling balls at your X3 and your mom and you had time to step in front of only one bowling ball, some of you would hotrodding it to your mom's funeral in a pristine X3 with a big cast of plaster wrapped around your face.

    Everything blueguydotcom said about the X3 is right on. It's a great driving small SUV that needs a little extra juice, but the X3 is by no means a luxury car, and yet at $43k MSRP for an optioned out X3 3.0, it is priced as a luxury vehicle. Please take off the beer goggles when looking at this car folks and admit that there is a serious disconnect there.

    It seems many of you agree with this assessment since according to info. posted on this board most have ordered X3 2.5 and only an exclusive few have ordered X3 3.0.

    Now this is my opinion only b/c I have not test driven the X3 2.5, but it seems to me that a 184 HP engine pulling 4,000 ton vehicle is awfully weak. I mean, maybe if you floored it, you could pass a Toyota Corolla. You could not, however, pass the 200 HP Ford Escape.

    So tponchak, if we hook up in LA and you are driving an X3 2.5 and I am driving the Ford Escape that I will be buying for my dad (want to buy him something nicer but he wants a small, cheap AWD banger SUV for daily commuting and lugging), you won't even get to appreciate the Escape's interior (which will be improved for the 2005 model to be released shortly) since you'll be appreciating my rear bumpers :)
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Everything blueguydotcom said about the X3 is right on. It's a great driving small SUV that needs a little extra juice, but the X3 is by no means a luxury car,"

    there is nothing for $40K that is a true luxury vehicle. The RX has a very nice interior, but it handles like a boat compared to the X3. Take the RX on snow and ice and flog it, take and X3 on snow and ice and flog it and see if these vehicles handles identically.

    BMW ensured this vehicle was true to itself. It is a premium vehicle, it may not have the luxury interior look of the RX330, but the RX330 will not handle anywhere near as well as this. Both are premium but target different markets.

    Saugtak - trust me when I say this. Your Ford Escape will be seeing the rear bumpers of the X3 2.5. I've driven the Ford Escape, it's nice for what it is and there it ends. While the 2.5 may not be the highest HP on the block, the handling will be exemplary.

    Some people like a big steak and don't care how tough it is. Others like a smaller steak, juicy succulent, flavorful. Take your pick.
  • Saugatak, I wasn't trying to say the Xterra is like the X3, but they're the same class of sporty SAVs. But X3 by far is a better one. But then again it probably cost twice as much as the Xterra also haven't looked). And that's where we agree.

    Not to get too serious here, but why the recent buyers of the X3 get so jacked up and annoyed having a simple discussion:-) May be they know the points that have been brought up by just about every review are "actually true"!

    "This board was initially dominated by (my guess) older people who have owned and experienced a variety of luxury and sporty cars who were hoping to get a smaller, lighter, more drivable X5 without sacrificing the luxury in the X5."

    Right on, except the "older part"!!
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Not to get too serious here, but why the recent buyers of the X3 get so jacked up and annoyed having a simple discussion:-) May be they know the points that have been brought up by just about every review are "actually true"!"

    I agree. It's the same reason 2004 TL owners get jacked up when you tell them CR says the Honda Accord for $7K less is "almost" just as good. Could it be that it is actually true? Could any of this be really true that beyond a $15K Mazda 6 no car is worth it?

    I did not expect the luxury of the 5-series in a 3-series. I'm not sure who really does. That's part of the reason the 5-series costs more than the 3-series.
  • there is nothing for $40K that is a true luxury vehicle. The RX has a very nice interior, but it handles like a boat compared to the X3. Take the RX on snow and ice and flog it, take and X3 on snow and ice and flog it and see if these vehicles handles identically.

    Funny you left the FX off that list. 35-36k gets one into an FX that's married to good handling, lots of thrust and an interior beyond the X3's. Of course, the trade off with an FX is that you're driving an automatic vehicle with less interior space and that gets horrible gas mileage.

    Gotta love BMW's ability to properly gear their cars/trucks.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I do not believe the FX to be on the same par as an RX330 in terms of luxury. It clearly is a competitor to the X3. I think the X3 interior(wood trim) is nicer than the FX.

    I did mention the FX in an above post. That car is not for me and therefore I won't take it for a test drive. Yes the people who post on edmunds love their FX, and there is room on this planet for both.

    It would actually be interesting to take all the vehicles in this class, and flog them on hard packed snow/ice and see how they all do.
  • clpurnellclpurnell Posts: 1,087
    Where do you people get that the mileage on the FX is bad. over 13k miles I average about 17-18 in the city and 21-22 on the highway almost exactly what the epa is and only 1-2mpg less than my sedan was. You bmw lovers need to get a support group or something.

    Also the X3 interior (wood or not) is light years behind of the interior on the FX. No it's not an RX330 (doesn't pretend to be) but it is way better than the X3. The X3 also does not have more interior space than the FX. I carry 4 often and have carried 5 adults in the FX with no problem.
  • Where do you people get that the mileage on the FX is bad. over 13k miles I average about 17-18 in the city and 21-22 on the highway almost exactly what the epa is and only 1-2mpg less than my sedan was.

    That's bad gas mileage! I was beating the heck out of an X3 and still on the freeway I got 24 mpg on an engine with only 150 - 350 miles on it. We're talking constant redline shifts, on the freeway in 4th up to 80-85 before switching to 6th gear and cruising in town usually in 2nd and 3rd.

    I love Nissan's engines but they're thirsty buggers compared to BMW ones.

    Also the X3 interior (wood or not) is light years behind of the interior on the FX. No it's not an RX330 (doesn't pretend to be) but it is way better than the X3. The X3 also does not have more interior space than the FX.

    FX interior volume is something like 10-20 cubic feet less. That's a big difference.

    I carry 4 often and have carried 5 adults in the FX with no problem.

    So what, you can fit 10 clowns in a Geo, that doesn't mean it's a roomy car.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "So what, you can fit 10 clowns in a Geo, that doesn't mean it's a roomy car."

    And how many angels can you fit on the head of a pin?
  • clpurnellclpurnell Posts: 1,087
    Fanaticism at it's best. I guess 2 mpg is very important to some people.

    KD & Blue Guy I hear Osama is looking for new recruits :P
  • saugataksaugatak Posts: 488
    "Saugtak - trust me when I say this. Your Ford Escape will be seeing the rear bumpers of the X3 2.5. I've driven the Ford Escape, it's nice for what it is and there it ends. While the 2.5 may not be the highest HP on the block, the handling will be exemplary."

    Having not driven the X3 2.5, I would not know, but the Ford Escape felt like a lighter vehicle than the X3 to me, so a more powerful engine plus a lighter frame should result in an Escape victory. In any case, the Escape vs. X3 2.5 race comment was said in jest (as indicated by the :) ).
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I know your comment was said in jest. I am very adept at reading smileys. :)

    Mine was said somewhat tongue-in-cheek. On one hand the 2.5L is a very nice engine. On the other hand, it has lost the HP war at this price point. Maybe BMW thinks they don't need HP to keep up with the Joneses, I don't know. A nice 300hp+ 3.5 high-revving V8 available for the 3-series line would be nice though. However back to reality, they need to bridge the performance gap between the 3-series and the M3 somehow.
  • Fanaticism at it's best. I guess 2 mpg is very important to some people.


    You missed the point, I was pulling 24-25 mpg even though I had the engine consistently revving and jumping up to redline. In my experience, this will kill the mileage of a 3.5 VQ.

    Funny that I'm being called a fanatic when I wasn't too warm on the X3 and cited the FX as a good alternative.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,968
    fwiw, Edmunds usually lists competing vehicles in the New Cars section.

    BMW X3

    And the FX 35 is in the list :-)

    Steve, Host
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451
    been waiting, but nobody posted to your 'master of the obvious' comment :)

    a 184 HP engine pulling 4,000 TON vehicle is awfully weak.
  • saugataksaugatak Posts: 488
    sorry, meant a 4 ton vehicle or a 4,000 pound vehicle.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451
    but, on this discussion, small things can get pyrotechnic!
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