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  • When you log in to bmw owners circle. Do you see all your options as ordered?
    I see none. I also sent a priority mail using the website.
  • ulepulep Posts: 63
    i dont see the options that i ordered in the bmw circle too. mabye its just like that.
       they said that my build date was jan 26 but when i checked my order tracking. it was already awaiting transport by jan 24. and i think it will be 3 weeks after that before i get my x3.
  • ulepulep Posts: 63
    as the saying goes... you cant teach an old horse new tricks.
  • scotth6scotth6 Posts: 43
    My X3 was built over 10 days ago and is sitting at the port on the other side of the pond. I was told I won't see it for at least 3-4 weeks.
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    someone posted: BMW has the "BALLS" to RAISE the price of the premium package by $750!!! I double checked and the premium package is identical in equipment. Just an increase in price with nothing added.

    me: Well if you look back about a year, notice what the Euro : $ ratio was. The dollar has lost about a 1/3 of its value since then! So if BMW planned the price last year at $31K, they would now have to charge $41K to get the same number of Euros. Now since its made in Europe and probably mostly European sourced parts, BMW and any foreign manufacturer are taking serious hits in profit if they maintain the same price here.
  • ...and that seems to offend some people. I noticed that some posters immediately jump down some one's throat if the person happens to think differently. Some people even resort to insulting each other. Okay, it's funny for the first couple of times, and then it just gets ridiculously repetitive. You start to wonder, don't these people have a life? My suggestion for the FEW posters who like taking pot shots at each other is this, "After the first couple of rounds of insults, be considerate and thereafter, E-mail your insults at each other."
        This way, the rest of us who are seriously researching the vehicle or considering it, don't have to sift through all the rehashed garbage. So please, if you are going to bash someone's opinion and insult them or their tastes, be brave enough to include your e-mail address in your user profile.
  • Great explanation, made much sense. But do you think that international companies like BMW might hold on to their dollars or reinvest until the exchange rate becomes more favorable?
  • kernickkernick Posts: 4,072
    I imagine they can't let the money sit idle. First they need to pay for the parts and labor they just used, and all the other overhead - insurance, admin, engr, R&D. Since the U.S. is a significant part of their business that would be a lot of $ laying around. BMW would then have to borrow money, and it's cheaper to use cash than borrow.
    2nd: there's no guarantee the $ will come back anytime soon. What if it kept devaluing, they'd lose even more Euros.

    The foreign manufacturers probably have been biting-the-bullet, hoping this devaluation of the $ is temporary. They want to maintain market share and keep the dealers going. If this current conversion rate holds for a while, I predict you'll see some fairly big price increases on imported models.
    I guess with the X5 being made in the U.S., that may mean the 2 could get very close in price.
  • I've been reading this board the past week and it gave me a lot of insight into buying the X3 and helped with the negotiations. When I first started looking last week, the dealer was giving me about $500 off MSRP. When I mentioned people in the NY/NJ area were getting approx $1,500 off, he went up to $1,250 and gave me an extra $500 towards my trade. I'll find out tomorrow how long it will take. Can't wait.

    BTW - there was an article in the NY Times a few weeks ago about how BMW and other high end European car makers are hedging against further decrease in the value of the dollar. Apparently they have a whole department that just hedges different currencies. Some companies have completely hedged through I think 2007, while others have partial hedges for fewer years. I forgot what BMW did, but they definately have some hedge in place.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "I forgot what BMW did, but they definately have some hedge in place. "

    I'm sure every company that is global has some type of currency risk mitigation effort in place. What that effort is, would depend on the business and where they are located.
  • I think kernick may have hit the nail on the head! One of the bigger reasons why I hesitated buying the X3, is because the X3 3.0 was so close in price to the X5 3.0, and I couldn't for the life of me, figure out why! The X5 outshone the X3 as far as quality of materials, plastics, leather, and specially the wood. The X5 definitely had the more expensive look and feel. But when comparing the prices, either the X5 seemed underpriced or the X3 seemed overpriced. Either way you looked at it, it seemed as if the X5 was the better bargain. In fact, this has been the subject of many a gripe from X3 posters.

    Don't know why I didn't see the obvious before. BMW has no choice but to keep the X3 prices higher to keep their margin of profit, well, profitable. As kernick stated, the dollar has lost nearly a third of its value in relation to the euro. Since the X3 is made in Germany, prices need to be higher to make up for the fall of the dollar. The X5 on the other hand, is made in the US, so profits from European sales have risen at the same time, meaning X5 prices should remain the same or even fall. However, X5 prices have risen for '04.

    I'm wondering if BMW feels X3 sales will be cannibalized by X5 sales if it kept X5 prices the same or lower than last year? I've heard of domestic and Japanese brands lowering the prices of new year model cars, but never heard of high end European makes doing the same.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    gardencar - they are not similiar. The X3 starts at about $30K and can go to about $45/$46. The X5 starts at about $40K and goes to about $70K.

    There is an overlap range, but in that overlap range the options are different. Although a fully optioned out X3 3L at $46 has more equipment than an X5 3L for $40K.

    BMWs pricing always has a lot of overlap. Example, ZHP vs. E60 525. Every manufacturer has the same issue in pricing, eg Ford and their line-up of SUVs. What ultimately fits you depends on your needs, wants and budget.

    "Japanese brands lowering the prices of new year model cars, "

    I'm not sure that will ever happen. They will raise the price, include a feature or two as standard. Heck, I wish I could follow that strategy. Raise my prices to my clients, but throw in a freebie or two. Guarantees a better income stream even though something else is included.
  • Thanks for the very clear explanation. I may be wrong, but I think it's the fact that there is even an overlap that is a source of consternation for some people. Anyway, I know that this doesn't bother most of those who have already ordered their cars. As long as reliability is better than the first year X5's were, this car should be a scream to own and drive! Peace out and enjoy the Superbowl.
  • I am thinking of buying a BMW X-3 2.5 and I am located in Los Angeles. I thought I had a good offer but after reading the boards here I am not so certain. Are dealers really offering $2500 off MSRP? My offer is listed below and I would appreciate any feedback.

    If you know of a good price at a particular deal in CA, e-mail me - same user name on A O L .

    Thank for you E-mail & Here is the Internet Deal.

    Sticker Price on the X3 you requested: $35,520
    Internet Price: $34,495
    Res Value 15K 57% of sticker price & 12K 59%.
    Money Factor: 2.4 This is the Best Rate BMW has.
    Drive Off : $1414.99 (Lic Fees $274 + $525 Lease Fee + 1st payment)
    Monthly Payment 12k $509.45 + Tax =$551.45
    Both 3 YEAR 15K$527.45 + Tax =$570.99
  • I have a production date of 2/8/04 and was assigned along with the the production number. I understand that it takes 3-4 weeks from that to delivery.

    I would like to find out when does the status change from On Order in the Owners circle to Scheduled for production. Any inputs are appreciated.

    I hate to pay for the rental and I wish I get my x3 early!
  • ulepulep Posts: 63
    my x3 has been awaiting transport for almost a week and a half now. so i called my dealer. he said that it was suppose to be en route by this week and it will be delivered to our house by the end of feb to early march.
        i have to ask the dealer if they could add some options themselselve to my car.
  • The way I understand BMW's verbage, en route means its on the ocean or on the last leg of its journey to final port before dealer. Your car has left the factory but it would still be "awaiting transport". Any others feel free to correct me.

    BTW, has anyone seen the dealer programming sheet yet?
  • What is a dealer programming sheet?

    After my x3 arrives, I am going to be adding the alarm system and the carpets if they do not give it for free.

    Regarding the carpets, the sales person said that they only have the non-rubber without the bmw name on it for the x3. Is it true? If they are going to give me what I get on walmart, I'd rather buy it directly. Also, is it too late to ask for free carpet as we already decided on the price.
  • ulepulep Posts: 63
    got my free carpet after the price was decided.

    my dealer is willing to deliver the x3 to my house. how does the paper work go? and how can they program the keys and seats? can anybody share their experience with this sitation?
  • mamgtmamgt Posts: 67
    ulep: Unless I lived far away from my dealer, don't think I would want them driving my car any more than they have to besides test driving it.

    lakshman: The carpet I'm getting is also non-rubber. Can't remember if it has the BMW logo or not. I also negotiated carpet after deciding on price. You can renegotiate everything until you give them the final balance. Either they'll just say no or you can consider walking away from the sale (if your deposit isn't too big). Most salespeople will give a little if you just mention you're an unhappy customer after talking to some other folks.
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