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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,594
    The only way to steal a BMW is to tow it away... You can't hotwire it..

    So, unless you are always going to be within hearing distance at all times (in the mall?, in a restaurant?), then the alarm is a pretty expensive extra.. I don't think it is needed...

    When was the last time you got out of bed to investigate your neighbor's alarm going off? I just roll over..

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  • The X5 is, in several aspects and respects, er, the smaller X5.

    An issue with the current X3, X5 lineup is the somewhat perplexing size differential of several (many?) key metrics. In some respects the X5 is the smaller X3 then.

    Now price and actual weight of the vehicles of course does suggest (accurately) that the X3 IS the smaller of the two.

    The point in all that is to say, you give up little in terms of space between the two cars.

    "Insider" information suggests the new X5 will be much bigger than the X3 (but the styling will be more X3 than the current X5.)

    The 2006 X3 with the body color bumpers and the sport, premium and (assuming you live where it gets cold) winter packages is at once a quite capable SAV and gives up little if anything to a regular 3 series sedan.

    The technology used by the Nav and sat radio system is highly functional and eschews the iDrive's er, quirks.

    There is one small issue and it is mainly if you are buying the thing -- the options run up the price quickly.

    Advanced headlights - yes
    Servotronic - hell yes ($250 option)
    Upgraded stereo - the base system is lame, so, yes

    Premium and Sport - brings lots of nice stuff with it

    Sat Nav and Radio - what once were vices are now virtues, at first an indulgence then a necessity.

    Winter -- heated seats if you live where it gets cold.

    We didn't get the privacy glass and we didn't realize it didn't come with Home Link -- kinda wish we did that now.

    Didn't do power articulating mirror bodies -- don't miss it at all even at the full automatic car wash.

    Did get the in arm rest phone cradle for the Sony T637 bluetooth phone -- oughta be a law requiring this unless you promise never to use a cell phone while driving.

    Servotronic -- a powerful and cheap upgrade to the handling, did I say cheap ???? At $250 it would be a damn shame to get one of these without it.

    You will probably have to order the car to get the $250 Servotronic option -- it is worth the 7 or 8 week wait.

    If you don't get this thing with Servotronic -- don't ever drive one with it. It is, at first, a subtle difference -- then, at speed and over time the differences ARE anything but subtle.

    The headlight upgrade too gives you Xenons and articulating headlights -- at first novel, then vital.

    Some of the stuff I have suggested clearly could be written off to personal preference -- I will adamantly stick to the Xenons and the Servotronic as very worthwhile. Heck, get the free paint to save $475 if you must. Know also that the sport option gives you much better wheels and tires.

    Finally, the auto trans in this iteration is old technology and only 5 speeds (plus they have the gall to charge YOU for it) -- the 6speed manual is FREE (well, no extra charge.) Shhh someone at BMW priced this backwards, so don't even bother with a $1200 old tech automatic.
  • timmbojtimmboj Posts: 123
    Anybody out there have any inside scoop as to what lies ahead for the 2007 X3 model?
  • Source -- BMW dealer:

    Minor changes for MY 2007, refresh including new engine and transmission slated for MY 2008.

    Dealers seem to know later than the rest of us.

    I certainly hope the adoption of the 3.0 255HP engine isn't delayed until MY 2008.

    I cannot imagine this being the case since the X5 "has" to be replaced sooner rather than later -- but who knows with sufficient financing from BMW financial, they X5 could soldier on, too, until MY 2008.

    The dealers, to repeat, seem to be the last ones to know.
  • timmbojtimmboj Posts: 123
    Thanks Mark. I was kind of holding out for the new engine -- more for efficiency than horses. I'm hoping they'll offer it later this year on MY2006.

    My fear is the moment I actually take delivery of an X3, design and feature content will improve and I'll be stuck. I waited too long in MY2005 wondering what the MY2006 would be like. I actually prefer MY2005 but I was too late. How many years does BMW continue with a product line before changing it? Isn't it like 5 or 6 years?
  • Continuous improvements happen, er, continuously.

    Do not hold your breath for the 3.0 255HP engine in MY or CY 2006, my best guess.

    The X3 is "the new" body style -- third year is 2006.

    Although the painted bumpers, etc, are a pleasant trim update, I had hoped for a new dash replacing the coarse grained current version.

    The improvements are all the invisible ones for 2006 from what I can tell.

    My wife is hoping the timing works for the 2008's and it should since she has a May 2005 '05 model.

    We'll see.

    If BMW is like some of the others the MY 2007 cars will be built commencing third quarter of 2006 and arrive here shortly thereafter.

    My dealer says "no announcement" regarding the new 3.0 or 6spd steptronic or SMG has been made for MY 2007 though.

    I am positive this is more of an issue with the X5 than any other reason.

    It wouldn't do to have the 3.0 @ 255 in the X3 when the X5 had the 3.0 @ 225 HP. I read somewhere that BMW can't justify the running change on the X5 and will simply wait for the replacement X5 which is supposed to be more of a Q7 type vehicle with 3rd row rear seating.

    Of course all the buzz about the turbo version of the 3.0 makes you wonder why we are piddling around and not getting these new technologies to market sooner.

    I know, I know -- economics and marketing.

    Same as it ever was. :shades:
  • timmbojtimmboj Posts: 123
    Ack! 2008?! Hmmm.... I should probably do a two-year lease on the existing X3, then when the lease is up, I'll be in the market to buy the 2008MY. Of course, if my beater lasts that long I could just ease into the 2008 by end of MY2007. Interesting stuff for me to consider. Thanks Mark!
  • ycnyc2ycnyc2 Posts: 3
    I'm thinking of getting an 06 x3. out of curiosity, what color does everyone have? i'm leaning towards the silver gray or bluewater, only thing is i've never seen the blue water in person! can anyone who has it describe it? does it look like silver? thnx! :blush:
  • timmbojtimmboj Posts: 123
    I've seen the blue. Looks good. Its light, but I don't think it'd be confused for silver. I'm partial to Highland Green, and I like the Silver-Gray as well.
  • timmbojtimmboj Posts: 123
    Has anyone out there stumbled upon a 6-Speed X3 sitting on the lot? Maybe in bigger cities, or cities with more than one dealership in town. They all seem to be automatics where I come from. My problem is that I don't think I have a chance at getting a decent deal on a car thats not sitting on the lot or on one that I've got to order. And I don't want to settle for an automatic. I've never seen a 6-Speed X3 on the lot in my one-dealership town of Knoxville. Just wondering if anyone else out there has seen them.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    We ordered our 2005 3.0 X3 with virtually every possible option AND the 6spd.

    The deal on ordered cars will be NOT one penny worse and according to the dealers (Audi and BMW) can more often than not be better than an inventoried item. Why? The profit margin on an ordered car CAN be better for at least one reason and sometimes more.

    For example, regardless of the source of the money, the dealers borrow the money (even if it is from themselves) to finance the inventory they carry. This alone makes the "amount the dealer has into a car" likely to be higher and at the same selling price (as an ordered car) have a lower margin. An on lot car has "carrying costs" in it, sometimes substantial carrying costs (as a percentage of Net Profit, i.e.) Other costs may or may not contribute to the ordered car's attractiveness for the dealer -- but the trade off is the dealer, if only offering ordered cars, would loose the "instant gratification crowd" which is the vast majority of purchasers. :confuse: Sign of the times, I guess. No patience to wait for the one the way YOU want it, so you "settle" for what's on the lot, telling yourself, often, that "well, at least I got the color I wanted," and puttering off, wishing you had one with heated seats or upgraded sound system or sat nav.

    Damn. I hate when that happens.

    :surprise:

    In our fair city, there was ONE X3 3.0 w/a 6speed (a customer had ordered it and changed his mind) during our initial test drive. It was, other than Premium Pack and Sport Package pretty much a strippie.

    We test drove the steptronic and felt like "running away" it was so crude (it constantly shifts up a gear, down a gear at the slightest grade change -- even with the 3.0.)

    So, we configured the car -- and wanted both the stick and the secret weapon SERVOTRONIC ($250) steering -- 7 weeks later our car came in and the price that we had negotiated 7 weeks prior was "a better deal" than ANY car on the lot by almost $15 per month on a 36 month 45K mile lease with $250 (the cost of the Servotronic) down.

    At just under $47,000 the X3 was $581 per month, including tax. We did add the in-arm-rest BMW brand phone mounting cradle and dealer sourced Kleen Wheels for a total additional out of pocket cost of ~ $450. We added these accessories within a month of purchase since the phone uses the car's battery and the car's roof top shark fin antenna for clearer, drop-out-free (and hands free) phoning with our tiny tiny Sony T637 Bluetooth phone.)

    Ordering is often LESS money.

    6speed manuals are almost never put in inventory -- and more's the pity, for once you drive an X3 3.0 with a stick you will swear you are driving a BMW 3 series -- it is just soooo good.

    Servotronic, servotronic -- don't leave home without it.
  • davidc1davidc1 Posts: 168
    You are right that it is more profitable for the dealer if you order. But by the same arguement, most dealers are more willing to move the inventory since they are a drag on the floor plan. Loss minimization of sort.
  • I ordered an X3 with a 6-Speed about 3 weeks ago. I'm in So. California and the dealer did a search in the western U.S. and came up with only 2 on dealer lots. Like you, I refuse to settle for an automatic. I will take delivery in May, and I think the X3 will be a kick to drive the the manual. Also, I will own something rather unique, which I think is cool.

    Good luck!
  • analyzeranalyzer Posts: 5
    Can you still order a 2006? I live in Vancouver WA and would probably order from Rasmussen BMW of Portland (OR) or Kuni BMW of Beaverton but I'm wondering how much time I have left.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    We ordered a 6spd manual X3 at the end of March 2005.

    It took 7 weeks to come in.

    If the timetable remains about the same, you probably have another 2 weeks or so to order a 2006. If you wait until May, my bet would be, however, that the car would probably be an '07.

    The dealer should know the dates for the MY's.

    We negotiated EVERYTHING when we ordered the car.

    Down payment = $250
    Term = 36 months
    Miles = 45,000 total
    Due @ delivery = sec dep + first mo payment ($581)

    Ordered X3 3.0, 6sp.
    Gloss Black
    Teracotta Montana Leather
    Premium Package
    Sport Package
    Cold Weather Package
    Bi-Xenons / adaptive headlights
    Upgraded Sound System
    Sirius
    Servotronic Steering (VERY IMPORTANT and $250.00 MSRP)
    Satellite Navigation
    Parktronic (F+R)
    In arm-rest BMW Sony T637 phone cradle

    Regrets: privacy glass not ordered; and, we assumed the car would come with HomeLink (it doesn't); also, the car does NOT come with folding power mirrors as do almost every other German car costing north of $46K.

    We added dealer accessory called KleenWheels (about $110.00) and carpeted (came with the car) AND rubber BMW mats.

    We love the car. Have 16,000+ miles on it. Has had two replacement sets of wiper blades and one oil/filter change.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    mark, I know you're a BIG fan of servotronic. But, interesting enough, the reaction from the automotive press has been lukewarm at best on this feature. I can't quote the sources exactly, but I recall reading comments to the effect of "could take it or leave it" to "option to avoid, along with iDrive".
  • jedjed Posts: 24
    In my opinion the steel blue color looks great in some lights but a little lavender in others. Because of this we opted for the silver gray and except for the fact that more than half the rest of x3 owners seem to have done the same, I'm happy with the color.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    If possible take a test drive of two X3's one with and one without Servotronic.

    I have read some of the reviews of some of the OTHER BMW's with the Servotronic steering -- I know what you mean.

    Here is one immediate difference that you can feel:

    The road feel improves with speed with the Servotronic steering. The degree of effort to turn the wheel at very low speeds (and when you have a stick shift you may turn the wheel from time to time with only one hand) decreases.

    Servotronic as implemented in the X3 decreases the steering effort the slower the car goes, regardless of engine speed.

    Conversely, the road feel and the effort required INCREASES along with road speed.

    My Audi A6 (2005) has it, my previous Audi did not have it and it seemed overly boosted and isoltated from the road feel at speed. At the time, I was not unhappy with it.

    We got the Servotronic X3 first -- and actually, as I recall at the suggestion of edmunds.

    If you can drive an X3 with and without, I suspect you will notice the difference and like it.
  • rlourlou Posts: 2
    I just ordered my from a So.Cal dealer. The price is excellent, $300 over invoice.
  • ycnyc2ycnyc2 Posts: 3
    Got my X3, in Silver gray, premium package, cold weather, navigation. Love it! I've gotten so many compliments on the car! Definitely love the servotronic, i think the difference is definitely noticeable. :shades:
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  • timmbojtimmboj Posts: 123
    I thought you could order a current MY all the way up until the fall of that particular year. When I talked to my dealer back in 2005 he told me that 2006 production started in October 2005 and that I could still order a 2005MY as late as September. I would think that one could still order a 2006 all the way up to September of this year too. Can anyone verify production dates?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,594
    I can't recall the X3 production dates, but in the past, many BMWs start the new model year with August production, and September delivery...

    Of course, that could vary according to changes being made, etc...

    I would say typically... that current model cars have to be ordered for July production..

    Plenty of exceptions to that rule, though..

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    Why not go to a dealer and place an order or at least ask about one and find out what MY will be delivered.

    At this point, I do believe you will still be able to order a 2006.
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  • bargamonbargamon Posts: 302
    This months "CAR AND DRIVER" reports the 3 series coupe is finnally be making its way soon, and a new 300hp twin turbo will be engine choice on it. Not to replace the M3.

    I was thinking this might also make its way to other lines, in particular the X3.
  • hulaboyhulaboy Posts: 1
    I own a BMW X3 and there is no explanation in the poor manual on how to change the clock to normal timm. I know how to change the time but can't change the military time to normal time. Can anyone help me?
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,102
    Push the menu button.

    Scroll to "Settings"

    Change from 12hr or 24hr

    Change hour

    Change minute

    Save it.

    I always advise folks to read manuals.

    Execption: I almost always advise people to never read car manuals.

    I share your frustration. Try figuring out where the clock change settings are on Audis MMI the first time.

    Our X3 is a 2005.
  • gmfox02gmfox02 Posts: 2
    I have a 2004 2.5 X3. For months now I have noticed a strong acrid chemical smell in the passenger compartment of the car. I notice it most often when the car has been sitting and with all the windows closed for a period of time. I can leave it in my garage overnight and the next morning the chemical smell is very strong. I have taken it to local dealer 3 times and now the smell is back. I took the car 2 days ago for the same problem and they told they sprayed something on a filter and it shouldn't come back. Guess what? The smell is back after only 2 days. Has anyone else noticed this in their X3? I am worried about my health concerns driving the car with this chemical in the air of the passenger area.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    The dealer was probably thinking there might be mold in the evaporator unit or the filter. The only "chemicals" in the car at this point are: gas, oil, a/t fluid, diff fluid, p/s fluid, brake fluid, washer fluid, anti-freeze, some heavy grease. You should be able to identify them by smell.

    There have been complaints of mold, especially after heavy a/c duty use. One thing that has been talked about is to run the fan without the a/c for a couple of minutes before the car is shut off.
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