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Cadillac SRX

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  • crikeycrikey Posts: 1,038
    Caught the test drive on the tube and I think the SRX is pretty competent for what Cadillac designed it for. They had two of them on the race track and from the looks of it, the pair of SRXs seemed right at home on the track. It looks pretty roomy inside too. The third row seats seems to be electronically stowed/propped up -- I hope they have a manual override for that one. That moonroof is quite amazing. I think Cadillac did a good job on this vehicle and I hope it becomes a success. Now, if only Cadillac can lower the price a bit -- that's wishful thinking, maybe.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    The front end of the car is beautiful. Looks very expensive.
    The show was decent. I was expecting a little more enthusiasm.
  • Maybe it's just me but I've always found the enthusiasim on "Test Drive" lacking when it comes to American cars. Anyway, I've got TiVo set to record and am looking forward to the show this weekend.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Cadillac doesn't need to lower prices because they have good vehicles now. Back a few years ago they didn't have much, but the CTS and SRX are state of the art vehicles and GM can charge accordingly with little in the way of incentives.
  • Has anyone in the METRO NY area seen the SRX at any dealers? My local dealer in CT called me down a few weeks ago as the "SRX rep" from Detroit was making the rounds with a Cashmere V8 SRX AWD without the 3rd seat but with the SkyView sunroof. The rep was very UNhelpful to me, I had a zillion questions for him, but he was concentrating on giving the Caddy salesmen a pep talk on the SRX features. This vehicle had alot of miles on it, as the SRX rep was going on a multi-dealer tour around the country. I arrived quite excited, really wanting to love the vehicle...but, after looking (my request to drive was declined) at the SRX for a while, my impression was that this did not FEEL like a $58,000 automobile!! Directly opposite the Cadillac Dealership is a Porsche Dealer, and a $58,000 Cayenne S just felt a whole lot more substantial...too bad it's just too small for my needs. I told my Cadillac dealer, who has my $1,000 deposit towards a fully loaded SRX, that I'd give it another look when he has one...I'm still hopeful that somehow my wallet will warm up to this highly praised new entry into the SUV community.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Did you read the editiorial on the Cayenne in the new "Automobile"?
    The guy was so unimpressed with the car that he is questioning Porsche's reason for building it.
  • raybearraybear Posts: 1,776
    That rep was making the rounds solely to train the salesmen. He came to our place also. Remember this was an early production car so the fit and finish weren't 100%.
  • Just had a quick first test drive of an SRX. No performance package with the Magnetic suspension control, no sunroof. It did have the third row seat, back seat DVD and XM radio. Curious collection of options which the dealer was forced to accept as first car to get. But then this is midwest Kansas, not bigcity east coast.
    I liked the appearance, size and the twin exhausts. Seating excellent, similar to the CTS we own, but firmer. Definitely riding higher off the ground than CTS. Rearview look is ok but some obstruction from rear corner pillars. Rear window seems curved at upper corners.
    Third seat is a joke - good for a very short trip to the corner for small children. No footroom. I can't imagine even crawling into it. It does go and up down very nicely but slowly with power controls.
    The ride and handling seemed a lot like my CTS. Acceleration better than the V6 in the CTS but then this is a V8. Automatic has a Tiptronic-like side to it instead the sport button the CTS.
    Some nice improved interior touches from the CTS - each front door has a built in holder for sunglasses, There was nothing like this on the CTS. The cup holder in the center console has a liftout liner for easier cleaning. Roof has vents for A/C for second seat and there are vents for the third seat.
    I have driven Jeeps Cherokee's, V6 and V8, X5's V6 and V8 and this SRX beats them all easily for me in handling, comfort and general performance.
    Can't wait to try one with the options I want, namely the sunroof and the performance package with magnetic controlled suspension.
    Will I buy one? Yes if the price is right for me.
    Bob
  • You must have a different style CTS than mine. I have a holder in the door AND a removeable cup holder...???

    I'd buy a SRX if the price was right for me...unfortunately I can't afford one right now.
    The one real 'shocker' for me was the SRX's sticker price.
    -Maybe in a few years.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I've seen ads around town for the SRX but I still have not seen one at the local Caddy dealer. Anyone seen one in the Toronto area?
  • to bring you the latest news out of Detroit on SRX.

    Other night I was at the Cadillac dealer and spent about two hours there driving the SRX, walking it over, and talking to our friend at the dealer. They had two "Art & Science" silver V8 SRXs in stock, and a black V8 one that they were in the process of completely disassembling and reassembling (18 times!) as part of an intensive "Lexus modeled" training program for their technicians.

    At any rate, the news from GM in Detroit is that SRX is to be a "volume product" and that "GM is positioning Cadillac for a possible market take-over in the next 12-24 months". My dealer received an initial alotment of 17 V8 SRXs last week, and this week got confirmed by GM for 64 more V8s by January 1, 2004. As insructed (or hinted) by GM, they are selling SRXs immediately at $1000-1500 above invoice in order to move product "that's being shoved down their throats." It's all about moving the product.

    My immediate reaction was that this is a complete turn-around for GM, which has maintained all around that Cadillacs are to be high-visibility low-volume vehicles, and that they're not chasing the #1 sales leader in the US spot. Big news, very big news. Apparently, there's been a little more to the story LaNeve and Lutz have been giving us. I'd say it's intentional deception as a part of someone's business model they're running. Cadillac is going for the gold.

    GM's most conservative estimate is to sell "30,000 units in the 'calendar year'" Insiders contend, however, that they are expecting to sell more like 60,000 SRXs. This will be Cadillac's volume product, as GM positions it to overtake Lexus in sales and quality rankings in the next 12-24 months.

    As for the actual vehicle, it's every bit as good as a BMW X5 in terms of performance, every bit as good as a Volvo XC90 for interior functionality, and every bit as good as a Toyota for fit and finish. In short, the best American-made vehicle is for sale right now, almost at invoice. The excitement is building...

    Judging by the crowd and the Lexi, Jaguars, Land Rovers, and other imports in the parking lot at the dealer tonight...I'd say it's definitely safe to say that Cadillac is back, and in a big way. Over $3,000,000 in SRXs to be sold by January 1 at Ettleson. Can they do it? Absolutely...
  • Glad to see you back...

    Your news about projected SRX sales and that it is to be a volume car is not all that surprising. Lexus introduced an interesting car-based SUV and turned it into their best selling product year after year (even though it costs more than an ES300/ES330). Cadillac badly wants that business and thinks that this product can do for it what the RX300 did for Lexus.

    Considering that the CTS continues to sell well (its sales are continuing to increase), Cadillac would probably like a lot of people in SRXs by the time the new STS debuts. At that point, Cadillac's comeback will be assured.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    It's going to take aggressive pricing to get buyers to go for the SRX over the RX330, imo. Some will go for the SRX because they like the styling better, like I do. What is really amazing is that it took five years for Detroit to react to the tremendous success of the RX300.
  • adp3adp3 Posts: 446
    who is baron87, and why am I listening to a high school kid opine on the motives/objectives of one of the largest companies in the world?

    does baron have inside info?

    I'm not saying I disagree with any of it, but....
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    RX330 is a good vehicle but boy does it have some awful styling. Style and Lexus are 2 words that generally just don't go together in my mind.

    CTS and SRX will both be volume leaders, that's why they are the first out. Cadillac has to try and move back up to #1 and that's the only way to do it!
  • adp3adp3 Posts: 446
    obviously lots of people diasagree with you on the Lexus - then again, so many people buy Lexus because they KNOW they will have no problems. Between them being problem-free and the fact that perhaps 90% of drivers don't really care about "performance" it's no wonder that Lexus is a top brand. I know people who claim to love how their Lexus looks. I don't have a problem with any of them, though I think the new SUVs are ugly and I always disliked the bid sedan, but I'm not in the demographic that Lexus is shooting for on the big sedan.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    ... why am I listening to a high school kid opine...

    You're better off sticking to issues and refraining from discussing individuals posting on these boards. If you don't like what you read then use that marvelous invention that came with your computer - that little scroll wheel on your mouse.

    tidester, host
  • I don't condone "ad hominem" attacks either, but the 'buzz' has been that Cadillac was going to try to control supply & maintain hipgh asking prices/margins on the SRX -- so the post in question flies in the face of that line of thinking.

    If there was some way to "see all posts" by a member perhaps we could better evaluate the liklihood of the getting an SRX at invoice; for myself the buzz I picked up here led to purchase another vehicle that truly does command much closer to MSRP...
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    ...so the post in question flies in the face of that line of thinking.

    I understand that but it is not particularly informative to focus on the messenger. Rather than that, one should address the information or viewpoint if one believes them to be incorrect. That would be much more useful to readers than characterizations of an individual.

    I'm sure you will agree.

    tidester, host
  • clpurnellclpurnell Posts: 1,087
    Lexus has had some horrible product introductions. The latest is the new ES it has had almost as many tranny's pulled as the TL. Go back to the early messages on the GS300/400 board after the redesign in '98 (yeah I was on the board then) tons of owners complaining about bad seals, sunroofs and strange noises. NO ONE BUILDS A PERFECT CAR. That is a fact like all software has bugs all cars do to. To me it is all in how the company and dealers stand behind they're product. I can take a couple of issues if they are handled correctly and fixed right the first time. Lexus from my understanding does do an outstanding job at that.
  • adp3adp3 Posts: 446
    I didn't mean to attack the messenger - I agree that ad hominem attacks are inappropriate (and morally indefensible). I simply meant to determine if the writer had credibility. I was hoping that other readers could fill me in. Perhaps the words I chose were not perfect.

    I meant no offense to baron, unless, of course, he is a poseur.
  • adp3-
    If you would be so kind, challenge my information by all means, but not me. And no I was not offended in anway, nor am I a poseur. ;)

    I'm in my second year of secondary school that's not secret, and whether by primary or secondary sources I do get a lot of information on the happenings at Cadillac before others. Whether or not you believe me is simply your choice. And no I was not "opining" either. Opining implies stating an opinion or a fallacy. I can assure you it was neither.

    As for SRXs actually being sold at near invoice prices, I assure you it is happening; we were offered a V8 AWD at $1500 over invoice. The wheeling and dealing is taking place now, not six months from now as normally happens with a new product.
  • I was offered a SRX $500 over invoice today in Illinois. Unfortunately, the car reminds we to much of a "station wagon" and not an SUV. I suspect Cadillac is going to have problems selling 30,000 of these vehicles. Women will like the looks more so than men. It handles well and has great performance features, but it just looks like a ladies station wagon and not a beefy SUV. Just my 2 cents.
  • The Lexus RX could quite possibly be the most ugly chick car ever to hit the planet (both the old and new). If men would take control of the keys again, and buy what THEY want, then I can see the SRX pushing 60k units a year.

    Lexus as a whole wouldn't exist if it wasn't for women and rich guys in bad pants who play a lot of golf.
  • adp3adp3 Posts: 446
    that's a good one, Reg

    if the guys had their way, we'd all be standing around in the service departments while our BMWs and Porshces were being fixed, as we watched our kids' college funds being slowly drained
  • adp3adp3 Posts: 446
    my point, baron, is that information is only as good as the source of the information

    if your dad was a GM exec, then your info is good (though there would be other credibility concerns, of course)

    glad to hear you are not a poseur

    the faxct that you are in secondary school really isn't all that relevant to my questioning your credibility (though I did, wrongly, raise it), as I have known many kids your age (including myself) who knew a lot more than folks twice my age ever did or ever will - so more power to you, and keep up the good work
  • or, we'd be driving reasonable vehicles that weight less than 4000 pounds and don't look like big fat bloated purses on wheels.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,109
    If you want provide comments on the merits or shortcomings of those "big fat bloated purses on wheels" you're personally invited to post them here: I don't like SUVs, why do you?

    tidester, host
  • I sat in a silver V8 4x4 SRX - 54K. ouch!
    I thought the exterior was beautifully done, though I could do without that third row seat and thus be happier if the vehicle were somewhat shorter - but that's minor. The extended sunroof was terrific. I'm going to trust that the dynamics are great and that most of the good things I've read are true.

    However, the interior is disappointing. I've read countless times that GM is going to put more emphasis and $ into quality interiors, but I haven't seen any evidence of it. Who wants to be surrounded by cheap materials in a $50K+ machine? And if you don't believe the interior of the SRX falls WAY short, take a look at any competitor. The interior, in part, comes right out of the CTS, which continues to suffer this same complaint from owners, admirers and detractors. Admittedly, this particular vehicle came without the wood dash trim (shouldn't make a difference)and was in gray (may make a difference).

    I still hope it's successful, and that mine is a very minority opinion. I wanted to love this car.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,610
    I agree with you that the SRX interior is based on the CTS but I felt it was more refined and seemed to have nicer materials. It is just too "station wagon" for me but still a nice vehicle.
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