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Cadillac STS/STS-V: What's New for 2007?

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  • volvodan1volvodan1 Posts: 196
    The STS is actually priced pretty decently. The CTS may have been the first GM car to be priced right starting off and little rebates even 3-4 years later.

    Yeah. I think they could turn a lot around by taking LaCrosse, Malibu, etc. and actually pricing them closer to transaction prices. They are supposed to do that but I have yet to see that. The HHR looks to be priced well. We'll see on Cobalt.

    Imagine 4-cyl G6 starting at $15,995. LaCrosse at $19,995. Top of the line LaCrosse at around $30-31. That might catch peoples attention. Oh, Well!!!
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,522
    "Maybe Caddy should have done what Lexus did and price them artificially low to establish (or in Caddys instance, reestablish themselves). "

    Without the "maybe", I agree 100%. They should have done (should do) exactly this.

    Now I am only 1 (potential) customer. But my sense is that (today) GM needs sales. Caddy has a good product here. (Other GM divisions really are struggling – I think I saw Pontiac with 30+% off vs. last year-to-date as of the end of April.)

    I will be very interested to see if Caddy offers larger rebates in the coming months - and if they address the (my) base price / MSRP issue and / or the option availability issues for 2006.

    Well, again – they are issues for me. And (driving a 2003 Lincoln LS V8 Sport right now) I would have thought I’d be on their radar as a potential STS “conquest” sale . . . Apparently not.

    - Ray
    Obviously not nearly as smart as the Marketing Geniuses at GM . .
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The May issue of Automobile had a comparison including the V8 STS priced a nearly $67,000. They did not think it worth that, since the Mercedes E500 was a much nicer car at thousands less. The BMW 545 was also not thought much of, but was cheaper than the E500. They did like the Lexus GS430 better than the E500, and it was priced lower than the 545. However, the top rated car was the Audi A6, priced thousands less than the Lexus, and $10,000 less than the STS. I do not think that the STS is priced anywhere close to reasonable. However, Cadillac may have a reason for limiting sales of the perfomance models by pricing them way out of line.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    A tv reporter is hoping to talk with someone who wants to purchase a Cadillac. Please respond to jfallon@edmunds.com with your daytime contact info by May 31, 2005.
    Thanks,
    Jeannine Fallon
    Corporate Communications
    Edmunds.com
  • easyrider300measyrider300m Posts: 1,116
    just wait till interest rates go up another 2 or 3 percent. The automobile industry will be hurting as cars sit on the lots longer. I bet there may be many STS vehicles left on dealer lots when the 2006 comes out. Then you will see some steep rebates if you want to buy the 2005 model. If you plan on keeping it for at least 6 years, you won't get hurt as bad on depreciation than if you only will keep it for 3 years. Caddys and Lincoln tend to have a very high depreciation rate. You can probably pick up an STS for cheap money in 3 years when the leases are up. And if the economy goes south, some lease buyers may not be able to keep up their payments and their cars will be repossessed. A brand new model in high demand always sells at premium prices. Just wait 2 or 3 years and the deals will be out there.

    I drive a 2000 300M that I purchased new in March 2000 and it has all the toys including nav and HID headlights. I paid $29,500 after adding in the add-ons that I purchased and installed after buying the car. Runs and still looks like new with close to 90k miles on the clock. I will keep it for at least one more year and then will probably consider buying the newly redesigned Avalon Limited as I consider it a much better value and it depreciates less compared to the STS. But I do like the STS more than any car out there right now. But to get all the toys I want with the v6 model, I would be looking at about $55k. I can get the Avalon for about $35k after discounts and it will be loaded to the max with HIDs, Nav, pushbutton door opening and starting, remote start, climate and radio controls on the steering wheel and a 280hp v6 engine with 5 speed manumatic tranny. And the Av gets 22 city, 31 hwy mpg yet still does the quarter mile in 14.9 seconds and 0 to 60 in 6.5 seconds according to Motor Trend. And you also get Toyota dependability.

    If you have the bucks to blow and don't mind overpaying for a brand new model, go out and buy one. Life is short. The STS looks to be a fantastic driving car with all the creature comforts. I wouldn't mind buying one myself except that the price, although I feel I could afford it, is a bit high compared to the competition. But top of the line BMWs and Mercedes will set you back even more. Great car ---just a bit too high priced for my tastes.
  • bosshoggbosshogg Posts: 16
    My Dear Gravolvodan,

    Thank goodness that most people in this forum sound like they are "feelin" the New Cadillac STS, so I can keep my blasting to a minimum. The price point on the new STS is better than ever!!!! which is exactly what GM-Cadillac had intended to do with this all new designed flagship vehicle. I challenge you to get up... get off that computer of yours and actually take a dr-walk down to those local dealers that you are so quick to mention and actually price these vehicles....What you will find is the new STS is priced well below the competion the Lexus, Mercedes, Audi and the BMW I'm talkin about same class vehicles of course. I will even take it 1 step further, euippment to euippment and option for option the Cadillac STS is the best value in its class. Meaning gravolvo that you get more bang for yor buck. Please try and prove me wrong. I can save you some time though, Im staring at a current comparison guide as I speak. Now a word to my friends the ones that are considering the new STS. My advice to you is get one now! the prices will be going up for the 06 model yr. Remember when the 02 Escalade came out, (I remember I was selling them). MSRP was 52k and change. x^)
  • easyrider300measyrider300m Posts: 1,116
    "Im starting at a current comparison guide as I speak."

    not sure if you would consider it the same class of cars, but for bang for the buck I would like to get your opinion of the new Avalon. It has an all new body, new engine, and new interior. To me it appears more luxury than sport, but has some nice sporty touches like the wheels with 17 inch Michelins, the dual exhaust, buckets, wood trim, and loads of toys. It maxes out at about $37k list. The handling I am sure is not on par with the STS but it is adequate for normal type driving. It's a bit softer ride than the STS but it's liveable--much better than previous Avalons. And it has the Toyota reliability and lower depreciation. The reviews I have read have been very positive and they often compare it to the Lexus in features and ride quality. And you'll pay about 18k less than the STS for a comparably equipped vehicle.

    I drove the STS recently at a show where you could drive all different brands and models of cars all in the same afternnoon on a course they set up. I was very much impressed with the ride, handling, and level of luxury and sportiness. But I have a hard time paying over $40k for a new car--not that I can't afford it, but I guess I'm practical. I also like the BMW 530i and would like to see a comparison done between the STS and the BMW. The Avalon is probably not in the same class as the STS but it's pretty nice for the price.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The car magazines have published a number of comparison tests with the STS and BMW's included. My comments above have been based on what I have read in various magazines regarding the STS's price level.

    The Avalon is a lot of car for the money, but it is not a sports sedan.
  • 14871487 Posts: 2,407
    This car shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as the STS. They appeal to differnt buyers and the STS looks much better. The Avalon is competition for Buick, not Cadillac. If you compare the Avalon to any V8 luxury car in the STS' class it will be a value at $37K fully loaded. It's silly to single out the STS for a comparison. Try comparing it to a $63K 545i and it look even cheaper. If you think the STS is a rip off consider a 225hp 530i (soon to be 255hp) for $44K with no options. That is ridiculous. BMW and MB continue to make their base model luxury models without equipment that should be standard. It's hard to believe you can pay over $40K for a car and not get a CD changer or leather standard.
  • bosshoggbosshogg Posts: 16
    Gentlemen I'm Glad we are on the same page. As for the Toyota Avalon comparison, I'm in complete agreement with 1487 on this one. As nice as the Toy. may be.. its def. not in the same class as the STS......the CTS would be more in line to compare with that vehicle. And with that said, let me also say this American Luxury vehicles are back my friends!!!!, the days of saying "I wouldnt buy an American car" are coming to an end. It takes time to get rid of a bad stigma. But let it be known that I would put an STS, CTS, SRX, the new DTS and Escalade up against any import vehicle out there!!!!!!! bold statement? not really.... what would you like to compare: value, reliability, styling, engine performance guys its all there 100k mile tune ups, 150k coolant changes, 5 to 8k mile oil changes (depending on the driver and conditions) timing chains rather than belts did u know that every new Cadillac out right now runs on Reg unleaded gas not to mention: American cars always have rebates and Cadillac cars and trucks are holding there value more now than ever........ (shew) I mean I could go on and on. All you non-belivers out there do yourself a favor Dont sleep on GM vehicles and please dont even think about sleeping on Cadillac if your in the Lux. Performance Mrkt.

    Boss X^)
  • jerrymcshane1jerrymcshane1 Posts: 195
    Has anyone else came upon this news that Cadillac is considering offering the "GM EMPLOYEE DISCOUNT" plan to the "average Joe" customer to incite sales.
  • baltomanbaltoman Posts: 43
    Yes, GM has announce these sales incentives for most vehicles. National advertising to begin this weekend. Available until July 15th, I believe.

    You will NOT be disappointed in the new STS if you are looking for a true
    sports sedan combing performance, luxury, technology and, with the current deals, real value. I tested them all - Audi, MB, Lexus, BMW, Acura, and Infiniti.
    Only the Infiniti M35/45 came close. More "toys" for the dollar, but "just another jelly-bean looking" car. The STS has a unique bold, edgy style. The icing on the cake? - it's Made in America!
  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,522
    I have not done extensive 'testing of the waters', to determine what a TMV / actual transaction price in my area would be, since last Fall.

    My sense is that a 1SF (MSRP: $58,785) for $51,930, with limits on fees, etc. represents a reasonable value - assuming the dealer offers a realistic value on any trade involved.

    [[ Edit: The Edmunds TMV has clearly NOT been updated to reflect 'The GMS Effect" - and still shows $58,3 as TMV for a 1SF STS V8 with MSRP: $58,8. ]]

    - Ray
    Debating if talking with a dealer is worth the time . . .
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    My dealer is advertising the employee discounts on cadillacs. The advertised price was for an STS that lists for $45,240 that is now $39,598. Their XLR is discounted $8,847. Trade in's will be worth whatever they use for value....
    I know that my Seville is worth more to me than anyone else....
  • Motor trend was speculating the the new ZO6 would cost 75k. Check this out. The ultimate Corvette—the 2006 Corvette Z06—is posting numbers at the track and on the window sticker that will get attention. Chevrolet has announced that the fastest Corvette ever—the 505-horsepower Corvette Z06—will achieve 0-60 mph in 3.7 seconds while still in first gear, and pricing will start at $65,800, including destination and freight charges. I spoke with a lady from Cadillac at the auto show and she said the STSV would be under 70K. Since the both of the vechiles are coming out the GM's performance center, it would be conceivable the STSV will start under 70k or right about that. I am sure GM will price it more than the Vette, just because it is a Cadillac. At the auto show in motion I drove the new vette, GTO,CTSV,SSR,STS V8 RWD, AWD. The vette is so powerful, it is just scary, the GTO felt a little more tame. CTSV is just a sweetheart, I was surprised, it is a fast Cadillac. I also drove a BMW 530, it was ok. The GM cars all handled better. The lines this year was for the new GM cars, especially the six speeds. The base engine in the STS has a lot of power with the V VT.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    Please update us as you get some miles on the car. I am astounded at that low mpg. My wife's 00 Eldo ESC, a big car with 275 Northstar horses and 33K miles, pulled 31 mpg on an 1100 mile trip we drove a couple of months ago. That was highway, doing about 70 mph average, and on regular gas. I figured the new STS would do at least as well, but with the new engine maybe not. :shades:
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    Premium is the recomended fuel. If you were using the computer average gas mileage, then it might be low if you did not reset it before leaving on the trip. If you highway mileage is computed based on the actual fuel added to the tank after the trip was over, then your calculations should be close.
  • in unbelievable. It is a work of art in there! The only thing is... waiting for a better V version to come out.

    You guys that bought the STS, how is the interrior like for you, with noise and all that?
  • Have V6. Very little wind noise. Engine does growl at full throttle which sounds good and sporty. Otherwise engine noise very muted.

    If you want one buy now with employee discount. Will not get cheaper.
  • Does this package include a Sunroof? Materials I have look at are a bit confusing.
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    I think that the sunroof is a zero cost option. So to get the sunroof, it must be ordered, but costs nothing. At this point in time it is too late to order a new 2005 model. What the actual options are for 2006 is not clear regarding cost.
  • volvodan1volvodan1 Posts: 196
    Every Cadillac post 2000 does not run on regular fuel. Escalades, SRX V8, STS V8 all are recommended to have premium fuel. You are confusing the previous Northstar with the new incarnation. sls002 was exactly correct.
  • bernsterbernster Posts: 27
    Got a quote from a South Florida dealer for a STS premium luxury performance listing at 60,835 (employee discount of 53,511) for a 3 year lease with 12k miles per yr of 678 per month with 1539 at inception. Anybody get a better quote?
  • bosshoggbosshogg Posts: 16
    Has anyone figured out how to overide the STS nav. to play movies while driving?
    I have the code for the DHS,DTS,CTS,SRX and XLR but I cant figure out the STS yet. Serious inquiry's only please.

    BOSS
    :^ D
  • dilldill Posts: 31
    (1) Why, what is the point?

    (2) Why endanger yourself?
    (3) Why endanger other drivers?

    It is common knowledge at this point in time that cell phones while driving are distracting to drivers and according to the latest cell phone study released yesterday they found that even the hands free cell phones make people 4 times more likely to get into accidents. Cell phones don't require vision to get information from the phone accept during the generally small period of time it takes to dial a number. A movie on a display in a car requires visual attention, not just your hearing the movies audio. Why would you ever watch a movie while you are driving? That is not too smart. I'll be honest with you, if I ever clearly saw a driver watch a movie on a display in their car as they were on the highway, I would call the cops in a heartbeat. Clearly if you are looking at a movie instead of watching the road ahead of you, you are on par with the impaired abilities of a drunk driver in terms of your of driving. - Just because you might be able to defeat the DVD operation while driving the car doesn't mean you should. The DVD's nav. operating in park was put into the car as safety feature and perhaps should be treated as such that shouldn't be defeated. You defeat that system and you cause a death from negligence you'll have wished you never messed with it in the first place. - :mad:
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Defeating that system is illegal in many places, so we're not going to discuss methods here.

    Thanks.
  • bigmike5bigmike5 Posts: 960
    I have seen two SUVs with DVD's playing in the front in the last two months. I just couldn't believe it when I saw it the first time. Driver was alone. The imbecile was doing 30 mph in a 45 mph zone, and in the passing lane to boot. Never a cop around when you need one. I would consider it reckless operation if nothing else. :shades:
  • I don't care what big brother tells me to do. If i cad override the system than i would, because ikno other people can be idiots, but i know i am not one of them.

    By not letting yourself enjoy something because it kills stupid people, then you are calling yourself stupid. In my case, i would never watch it while i was driving, but meybe so my passangers could watch it while we were driving (including the front passenger).

    Obviously im not going to ask for a code here, the host just said we should not talk about it. I agree that idiots should be kept from watching dvds while the car is driving, but you know what, the rest of us should not have to pay for an idiots mistake.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Folks, let's not get bogged down in the reasons why DVDs should or should not be viewable from the driver's seat while the vehicle is in motion. That's not the topic here.
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