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Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    If I'm comparing 2 cars of course I'll use the EPA estimates. If you prefer to use other totally unscientific sources then be my guest.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    You can see the un-fudged EPA numbers if you wish to. It makes no real difference when you are comparing one car to another as the fudging is applied equally to all vehicles.

    If you want to look at "real world numbers", here are some:

    http://fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=mpgData&vehicleID=23563&browser=true&de- tails=on

    Let us know what you learn from studying these numbers that range from 13-37 mpg.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,830
    that is 1 source.
    here is another: fusion fuel mileage

    i learned you are coming around to my way of thinking, which is check multiple sources. ;)
  • Thank you so much for actually posting Ford Fusion related content and a link to a discussion group that actually discusses Ford Fusions!
  • Does anyone know when the 2010 supposed to hit the showrooms? Did anyone see the 2010 Fusion on Ebay? If you go to ebaymotors and plug in Ford Fusion, 2010 - 2010, then click on Completed Listings it shows up as having expired without being sold on February 16. The dealer selling it is Lone Star Ford of Houston.
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    I've been talking to dealers in the Minneapolis area for an early order of a 2010 Sangria Red SEL with Moon and Tune Package. The word I've heard is 2 to 4 weeks for arrivals to showrooms. Dealers have cars on order and said they can change their original order to fit my desires. The best price I've been quoted so far is: $24101.00. I hope to use that number with the dealers I talk to this weekend.
  • The ebay item is back again for the 2010 Hybrid: eBay item:Ford : Fusion (#200311872282). This time it appears to have somewhat serious bids. (28K with buy it now price of 33K).

    I'm assuming the one you are buying is not the Hybrid. Does it have leather seats?
    Do you know how your price compares to MSRP?
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    The one I'm looking at is a non Hybrid. I'm ordering black leather, 2.5L I-4, 6 speed transmission. Check www.fordvehicles.com cars, future cars and 2010 Fusion+Hybrid to see standard features for each model. The SEL is a nicely equipped car for the $$. I figured the MSRP for the SEL, Moon and Tune Order Code 301A is $26225.00 and using Edmunds TMV, dealer invoice is $24074.00.
  • Tim156,

    I live in the northern Twin Ciites area. Can you share which Ford dealers are giving you the best price quote for the 2010 Fusion?

    I was also told a non-hybrid Fusion should be arriving in the showroom during the first or second week of March.

    Kevin512
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    I got an e-mail quote from Anderson Ford in North Branch for $24101.00. Whether or not that will hold when I go to the dealership we'll see. I'm visiting three tomorrow, I'll keep you informed.
  • So Ford has their pricing up on their site for the 2010. They also finally posted V6 fuel economy and it shows the same fuel economy for both the 3 and 3.5 V6 and it's not that competitive. There is a note on the 3.0 saying to look at the fuel economy guide for exact details, but I am not finding this referenced location anywhere on the site. Any information or direction would be most appreciated.

    Thanks
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    "Fuel Economy Guide" is published by EPA

    http://fueleconomy.gov/
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    Kinda hard to comment if you don't post the numbers. I couldn't find them.
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    Unfortunately fueleconomy.gov doesn't seem to list any 2010 models yet, unless they're hidden.
  • stephen987stephen987 Posts: 1,994
    The pricing info is under Future Vehicles, and I'm not sure how I got there, but here's the direct link to the "build and price" page for the 2010 Fusion:

    Build & Price 2010 Fusion
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    The footnote is only about E85

    ** Fuel economy when operating on E85 will yield different values
    than gasoline. See Fuel Economy Guide for more information.


    EPA says: FFVs operating on E85 usually experience a 20-30% drop in miles per gallon due to ethanol’s lower energy content.

    http://fueleconomy.gov/feg/ethanol.shtml

    Why is there such a big difference in mpg between the different 4 cyl trim levels? With auto there is about 10% lower hwy mpg for the SE and SEL compared to S :confuse: .

    6-speed automatic (S) 23 mpg city/34 hwy.
    6-speed manual (S) 22 mpg city/31 hwy.
    6-speed automatic (SE, SEL) 22 mpg city/31 hwy.
    6-speed manual (SE) 22 mpg city/29 hwy.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    My guess would be tires, weight and gearing.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    it shows the same fuel economy for both the 3 and 3.5 V6 and it's not that competitive.

    I don't know what you're comparing it to, but it looks competitive to me. Not great, but not terrible. 1 mpg city and 1-2 mpg hwy is pretty close.

    Fusion V6 18/27
    Camry V6 19/28
    Accord V6 19/29
  • tim156tim156 Posts: 308
    Kevin512
    I went to two dealers today. Freeway Ford quoted for a Sport Blue Metallic, SEL, FWD, 6 speed auto, Moon & Tune and remote start, $24300.98. Apple Valley Ford matched those numbers. I didn't get in trade what I was hoping for my 2007 Freestyle with 14200 miles but I like the price for the Fusion. One salesman took me to the reps house to see a fully loaded Sport. All I can say is WOW, this is one beautiful car! It's a horse apiece who I go with, so I'm going to try to get molded splash guards added for no charge and flip a coin.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,830
    i read somewhere that low rolling resistance tires and an aggressive fuel shutoff were 2 ways used to gain a better mileage result.
  • I was just hoping for better economy out of the 3.0. It's smaller and less powerful than the accord/camry V6s. Even the sonata has more power, displacement and better fuel economy with it's V6. Other than this little mileage detail which will burn a lot of my cash in the long run, I like the features and price at the moment. :)
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    I was just hoping for better economy out of the 3.0.

    Based on what I've been reading on other forums most people feel the same including me. However it was pointed out that the new D30 does have 20 more horses and does get at least 1 MPG more on the highway. So it's not a total loss.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It's about where the Honda 3.0L was in 2003. Still not up to the 3.5L in the Taurus.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,213
    It's about where the Honda 3.0L was in 2003. Still not up to the 3.5L in the Taurus.

    Well you can get the D35 in the 2010 Fusion now and it's MPG estimates are the same as the D30's. Only you get about 25 more HP and a sport tuned suspension among other sport model extras. Being that the sport model is supposedly tuned for performance I have no doubt it could compete with the Accord's 3.5L in FE if tuned for normal use. If you truly want FE don't get a V6. If you truly want performance, don't get an Accord or Camry V6 because they have nothing special in the way of sport over their base models. We should all wait for a proper comparo before issuing final judgement though. ;)
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,830
    fords do not usually make the most hp/liter. honda is usually the leader there.
    if you take a look back at the performance chart from the c&d comparison test powertrain, the fusion is down 15 hp to the accord.
    the accord wins the 0-60 by half a second(7.5 to 8.0).
    the fusion and the accord have the same final drive ratio and pretty much the same
    top gear ratio, although the fusion is a six speed vs a 5 speed.
    in top gear acceleration 30-50 fusion wins by 1.8 (11.9 to 13.7)
    50 to 70 fusion also wins this time by 1.6(11.4 to13.0)
    this is a measure of real world torque, which ford emphasizes over hp/liter.
    of course, i realize you can downshift if you don't want to accelerate in top gear.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The fusion also has a bit more displacement than the Honda (which isn't quite 2400cc), good for torque.
  • jeffyscottjeffyscott Posts: 3,855
    My guess would be tires, weight and gearing.

    After posting, I did notice the skinny tires on the Fusion S. I doubt the gearing is any different between the different trim levels. Higher trim would have more weight, but that would be the case with any model of car and I can not recall ever seeing different fuel economy ratings for different trim levels for any other model. I have only ever seen different numbers for each engine and transmission combination.
  • kevin512kevin512 Posts: 3
    Tim156,

    I appreciate the information. Those seem like good prices considering this is the first month of availability, I didn't think it would be possible to get much under MSRP before summer. I'm going to talk to Midway Ford in Roseville once they have a vehicle available for a test drive (hopefully within the next two weeks), I've always gotten good service there on my '02 Explorer. Your numbers will give me a price to aim for.

    I need to decide between an SEL and Hybrid. If I can get the $3400 tax credit for the hybrid, I may go that route. If not, I'll probably be looking at the exact same model and options you are looking at.

    Kevin512
  • austinman7austinman7 Posts: 313
    My local salesperson said she would have 2010 Fusions on the lot in April. They had one in last week, but only for sales training purposes.

    Does anyone know if push button starting is offered? I actually prefer the standard key with remote functions.

    Also, with the bump from 220 to 240 HP on the 3.0 V6, do we know if there's a corresponding bump in torque?

    Thanks.
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